How To Get To Heaven When You Die

[Tryharder62]

I believe in Divine Inspiration, too, and I follow what you are saying.

To put it in another way:
The modern Christian Bible has been been perfected over many years by men who dedicated their lives to getting the message across. There's layer upon layer of metaphor that leads people to spiritual knowledge (or Self, or Spirit, or God, whatever you want to call it).

Hmmmm... I am pondering this. I am just not sure a perfect message needs to be perfected.

 

[phrodeau]

I believe in Divine Inspiration, too, and I follow what you are saying.

To put it in another way:
The modern Christian Bible has been been perfected over many years by men who dedicated their lives to getting the message across. There's layer upon layer of metaphor that leads people to spiritual knowledge (or Self, or Spirit, or God, whatever you want to call it).

Metaphor is not truth, and can never be truth.

 

[Hypoxia]

Metaphor is not truth, and can never be truth.

Why didn't Lord {JHWH} bother to talk of zero and heliocentrism and germs and optics and other useful stuff? Why just all those rules about who to kill, and why and when, and all sorts of shit you're not allowed? If religion is a metaphor for the universe, it must be filled with dark energy. Oy.

 

[Hypoxia]

You are talking translation issues not scripture issues.

I am talking reality issues. Biblical texts are filled with factual errors and don't fit with observed reality.

Or did Lord (JHWH} issue a bunch of executive orders er I mean miracles to tweak stuff just right? Breeding populations of all terrestrial life crowded onto an ark the size of a San Francisco ferryboat? MIRACLE! Sun stayed overhead for days to let Hebrews battle on? MIRACLE! Survive being swallowed by a whale? MIRACLE! Raising the dead, casting out demons, feeding the masses, walking on water? MIRACLES! Roman occupiers forced by unarmed locals to crucify a preacher? MIRACLE! All that shit in Apocalypse / Revelation? MIRACLES!

Alas, suppose the Scientologists are right?

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

European 'Christians' no longer align with Christian faith

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[Tryharder62]

Why didn't Lord {JHWH} bother to talk of zero and heliocentrism and germs and optics and other useful stuff? Why just all those rules about who to kill, and why and when, and all sorts of shit you're not allowed? If religion is a metaphor for the universe, it must be filled with dark energy. Oy.

This says it better than I could.

Critics sometimes claim the Bible "should have" given us more specific scientific details. The absence of some specific fact is then held up as evidence of the Bible's merely human, primitive origins. In reality, this is less indicative of a Biblical problem than a critic who isn't thinking the issue through. Even atheists know every book is written for a reason, and good authors tend to stick to the topic at hand. In the simplest possible terms, that's why the Bible has little to say about specific scientific details: they're literally beside the point.

In short, the Bible is meant to explain our relationship with God.

There are interesting observations if you really look.

One example is Numbers chapter 19, which describes those who touch a dead body as unclean, and imposes a ritual washing process. Believe it or not, until the mid-1800s, physicians not only ignored this concept, but they frequently went from autopsying dead bodies to operating on the living without washing their hands! Once this changed, of course, hospital mortality rates dropped considerably. Further, the materials described in Numbers 19 include ingredients like hyssop, which is a natural anti-bacterial, wool ash, which is gritty, and cedar, an irritant that would encourage repetitive rinsing. Go into hospitals today, and you'll see doctors washing with gritty, antibacterial soap and lots of water.

 

[Tryharder62]

I am talking reality issues. Biblical texts are filled with factual errors and don't fit with observed reality.

Or did Lord (JHWH} issue a bunch of executive orders er I mean miracles to tweak stuff just right? Breeding populations of all terrestrial life crowded onto an ark the size of a San Francisco ferryboat? MIRACLE! Sun stayed overhead for days to let Hebrews battle on? MIRACLE! Survive being swallowed by a whale? MIRACLE! Raising the dead, casting out demons, feeding the masses, walking on water? MIRACLES! Roman occupiers forced by unarmed locals to crucify a preacher? MIRACLE! All that shit in Apocalypse / Revelation? MIRACLES!

Alas, suppose the Scientologists are right?

I had to chuckle. Yes God can do what He wants.

The thing that is hard for people, especially smart people, to admit is that God is smarter than them.

Paul, after eleven chapters of unsurpassed human attempt to explain the most glorious mysteries of salvation, couldn’t help but break out in worship of an intelligence so far beyond his:

Oh, the depth of the riches and wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are his judgments and how inscrutable his ways! “For who has known the mind of the Lord?” (Romans 11:33–34)

The Bible reveals some things we find extraordinarily hard to understand — inscrutable things that perplex, confound, and even disturb us. But nature reveals traces of the same designer. When we run up against conundrums that show us the limits of our intellectual capacities, we don’t need to follow cynical doubts. But like Paul, our limits can lead us to awe-filled worship.

 

[Hypoxia]

So many gods to choose from.
None of them are reliable.
Try something else.

 

[Tryharder62]

So many gods to choose from.
None of them are reliable.
Try something else.

Come worship with me. We've got the whole everlasting life thing which is nice. I might even be able to get you some donuts and coffee between Sunday school and church.

 

[Hypoxia]

Come worship with me. We've got the whole everlasting life thing which is nice. I might even be able to get you some donuts and coffee between Sunday school and church.

Funny, there. Death is eternal life. Birth inherits sin to be cleansed by wishful thinking. Pi equals three. Earth is rectangular. Slavery is okay. Sorry, I'll skip all that. I tend to follow Sturgeon's Creed: "In the winter I'm a Buddhist; in the summer I'm a nudist."

Meanwhile, I used to get decent free meals from ISKCON (Hare Krishnas) and our Unitarian congregation, after services, had killer "French Lunches": wine, cheese, bread, salad, more wine, and conversation levels approaching sonic meltdown. When I lived in a Hasidic hippie commune we laughingly fed each other Shabbas fare, and more wine. That was fun.

 

[phrodeau]

Funny, there. Death is eternal life. Birth inherits sin to be cleansed by wishful thinking. Pi equals three. Earth is rectangular. Slavery is okay. Sorry, I'll skip all that. I tend to follow Sturgeon's Creed: "In the winter I'm a Buddhist; in the summer I'm a nudist."

Meanwhile, I used to get decent free meals from ISKCON (Hare Krishnas) and our Unitarian congregation, after services, had killer "French Lunches": wine, cheese, bread, salad, more wine, and conversation levels approaching sonic meltdown. When I lived in a Hasidic hippie commune we laughingly fed each other Shabbas fare, and more wine. That was fun.

They don't have pi; they have donuts.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

So many gods to choose from.
None of them are reliable.
Try something else.

Only the God of the Bible is the truth and supported by the evidence.

 

[Hypoxia]

Only the Gid of the Bible is the truth and supported by the evidence.

I'm glad your Gid is truthful even if its worshipers must lie. Biblical texts talk of many gods and only demand that Lord {JHWH} of the Hebrews gets the first sacrifices. We see word of false prophets but not false gods. All gods are real somewhere. Everyone gets the god(s) they choose (or don't).

BTW evidence is thin. The three or so creation myths in Genesis don't match. No global flood occurred. No trace of an Exodus has been found. The adult Yeshua story is uncorroborated and the birth timeline is all wrong.

Yeshua supposedly said the rich will go to Hell (can't thread that needle-eye to reach Heaven) and told his followers to abandon their families and possessions and live communally. If you've not done so, you're no follower of Yeshua and you're Hellbound. Have a nice ride.

Have you smashed your enemies' children against the rocks lately? The Psalmist says it's lots of fun.

 

[phrodeau]

Only the Gid of the Bible is the truth and supported by the evidence.

Pharaoh's sorcerers used the power of other gods to turn their staves into snakes.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

Pharaoh's sorcerers used the power of other gods to turn their staves into snakes.

There is only one God. The "Other Gods" were demonic creatures which were created by the God of the Bible. They are fallen angels.

 

[Hypoxia]

Pharaoh's sorcerers used the power of other gods to turn their staves into snakes.

Snakes are easy. OD on palm wine and mandrake root and they'll be crawling all over you. Creepy buggers. Navaho shamans could turn themselves into wolves. Yeshua never learned that trick. Sad.

Pele's Hair drifts down from eruptions. Folks in Hawai'i had better fucking well worship Pele -- She's right there. Moses didn't mention Pele. Bad move. All he got was a talking bush. And not Pele's burning bush -- She's too hot for Hebrews.

Mayan and Hindu cosmologies run much longer timelines than the brief constipated Judeo-Xian-Muslim chronology. The Mayan calendar is much more accurate than anything Old Worlders devised for a couple millennia. Mayans invented zero, too. And pi does not equal three. Alas, Lord {JHWH} wasn't good with math. Don't use biblical texts to solve geometry problems.

Xians can't even calculate when their godling was born. Maybe they need Egyptian priests to help with the maths. Might learn some snake tricks, too.

 

[Hypoxia]

There is only one God. The "Other Gods" were demonic creatures which were created by the God of the Bible. They are fallen angels.

The two standard Decalogue versions (Exodus 20:1-17; Deuteronomy 5:4-21) you're thinking of start:

"I. I am the Lord thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage."​

I.e. Lord {JHWH} is the god of Hebrews to whom this is addressed. Other peoples have their own gods.

"II. Thou shalt have no other gods before me"​

I,e, other gods exist, just worship me first; gimme first cut of the sacrifices.

"III. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image"​

Every figure drawing and photo violates that rule. Use a camera, go to Hell.

BTW that text isn't labeled Ten Commandments. These ten were just among the 700-odd other commandments Lord {JHWH} issued, most of which are ignored by Xians. What are CALLED the Original Ten Commandments (Exodus 34:28) are a revision. They go:

I. Thou shalt worship no other god.

II. Thou shalt make thee no molten gods.

III. The feast of unleavened bread thou shalt keep.

IV. Six days thou shalt work, but on the seventh day thou shalt rest.

V. Thou shalt observe the feast of weeks, of the firstfruits of wheat harvest, and the feast of ingathering at the year’s end.

VI. Thrice in the year shall all your men children appear before the Lord God.

VII. Thou shalt not offer the blood of my sacrifice with leaven.

VIII. Neither shall the sacrifice of the feast of the passover be left unto the morning.

IX. The first of the firstfruits of thy land thou shalt bring unto the house of the LORD thy God.

X. Thou shalt not seethe a [young goat] in his mother’s milk.​

I don't see many Xians quoting or following those orders. They worship the god Mammon. They make molton models and statues of their godling. (C.f. Plastic Jesus.) They skip the feasts. They work on Shabbas. They don't gather and display their boys every four months. They don't donate first harvests to the church. The leaven and goat stuff is overlooked.

Take a look at The Ten Commandments We Always See, Aren’t The Ten Commandments. Have a nice cup of tea.

Most Xians also don't abandon their possessions and families and live communally as Yeshua allegedly commanded, either. All them Hellbound suckers. Sad.

 

[Tryharder62]

All them Hellbound suckers. Sad.

Interesting that you think the behavior against what is in the bible will send people to hell. Hmm does though protest too much.

 

[Hypoxia]

Interesting that you think the behavior against what is in the bible will send people to hell. Hmm does though protest too much.

As we used to say on the alt.religion usenet group: "It's *your* book. They're *your* rules. *You* go to hell based on that."

Yeshua supposedly said rich folks are Hellbound (the needle-eye test). Yeshua supposedly set codes of behavior based on observing Torah rigidly. Xians don't follow the teachings of their godling. By their rules, they're Hellbound. I didn't write those rules. I merely watch from afar.

Those who Play this or any religious, political, economic, artistic, or athletic Game (*) must follow the rules or face the consequences. Many choose to Play other human Games, each with distinct rules. Xianity ain't the only Game in town, by far.
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(*) Human Games: How people organize and occupy their time when not doing anything productive. Commenting here is Gameplay.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

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[phrodeau]

Black Man Says The Democrats Are Keeping Black People Down


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Posting on a porn site on a Sunday morning instead of church?

 

[Hypoxia]

Posting on a porn site on a Sunday morning instead of church?

He burnt down the church and is heading for Waffle House. Duck and cover.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

:caning:

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

Demonic possession is real, says top psychiatrist

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[Tryharder62]

Celebrated my 30th Anniversary yesterday. Thanking God for his presence to keep me from breaking the Thou shall not kill commandment these 30 years. (Lol just kidding). I keep him guessing though. My favorite channel on TV is investigative discovery. It has all these murder mystery shows like 20/20 and Dateline. He always says I'm trying to figure out how to kill him and get away with it.

Lots of memories.