How does one know what the devil people want? (PC/feedback)

BlackShanglan

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The difficulty with PC's and feedback is, to me, summed up in these three basic elements:

(1) Some people primarily want encouragement. They would just like someone to say something nice to support their desire to write.

(2) Some people primarily want applicable information. They would like someone to tell them precisely what did and didn't work in the piece so that they can develop their abilities.

(3) These two sorts of people will ask for precisely the same thing. "Please give me some feedback!"

Neither of the first two impulses is a bad one, but sometimes I'm loathe even to pick up a story because I don't know what to do if I don't care for it. I would know, if I knew what the author was looking for. If encouragement is desired, I will - quite honestly - simply talk about the parts I liked, and not mention what I thought was weaker. If an applicable critique is desired, I will mention the areas that I thought could use improvement, as well. But when faced with no more guidance than a blank PC or feedback screen and someone I don't know well, I'm always torn on the topic of what to offer. That's made more difficult, as well, by the fact that for every person complaining on the AH about people who give low votes with no explanation, there's someone else whose response to one's best attempt at tactful and helpful suggestion is "who the hell asked you, you nitpicking snob?"

I don't suppose that there is an answer to this, other than telepathy. But it might be of some service to know how others handle it, and what the general feeling is on whether opening a story to PC's and feedback constitutes a request for encouragement, critique, both, or neither.

Any thoughts?

Shanglan
 
In a PC, I won't say anything negative....well, I take that back. I did leave a very negative comment on a story entitled "White Squaw" - 'nuff said.

For someone I know fairly well, I usually will only get nitpicky if asked, and usually that's asked before it's posted. If I do feel the need to give them some constructive criticism, I think that's handled better in an email feedback, or a PM.

Some people are extremely defensive about their work. *shrug* I think it's something you get over in time.
 
Yah, little praises in the comments, criticism in the email. Doubt many folk like being dressed down in public, even if it's constructive.
 
I nromally save the tearing down for the discussion circle :) Where it can be useful I hate doing anything to a completed work. So if completed, I save any critisim for really obvious things, like if a paragraph was 7" long

I like to emphasize the positive on published work. But then if you do that you get comments like I get, 'really good writing, not my cup of tea, but excellant use of the language. You're writing is technically sounds, not a subject matter I read, ....'

You get the idea ;)

As for my own work, heck someone could perform a vivisection on it and I'd be cool ;)

~Alex
 
mack_the_knife said:
Yah, little praises in the comments, criticism in the email. Doubt many folk like being dressed down in public, even if it's constructive.

*nods* That much I can go with. But when to send email?
 
BlackShanglan said:
They can have it when the frenzied succubi are done with it.

Ooh, you'll like my halloween story, then. ;)
 
OhMissScarlett said:
*scream* devil people? where? Now that's twice you've scared the pants off me this week. :rolleyes:

And yet you won't keep them off. When will you learn, woman? :rolleyes:
 
BlackShanglan said:
*nods* That much I can go with. But when to send email?
Shang,

If the writer has asked, or if they are someone you consider a friend, then I'd suggest e-mailing them that you saw some things about their story and ask if they'd like to discuss them at this time. Otherwise, let well enough alone.

That said, I'm one of those odd life-forms who always wants honest input, whether brickbats or bouquets. That's why I post stories. But that's just not case with everyone.

IMHO, giving unasked for advice about writing is similar to giving unasked for advice about how someone eats, dresses, or speaks. (Yes, I know I pronounce nuclear "nuculer" just like George Bush. No, thank you, I don't want to be reminded of that flaw.)

Unless asked, avoid giving advice. If asked, approach with caution.

Rumple Foreskin :cool:
 
Rumple Foreskin said:
IMHO, giving unasked for advice about writing is similar to giving unasked for advice about how someone eats, dresses, or speaks. (Yes, I know I pronounce nuclear "nuculer" just like George Bush. No, thank you, I don't want to be reminded of that flaw.)


There's a great deal of sense in that. But then some seem to take any vote under a 5, when not accompanied by a comment, as "trolling." I hate people to think that they were trolled, or to look like I'm trying to hide what I voted.

Ugh. A plague on all of it. Especially the devil people.
 
BlackShanglan said:
My work here is done.

No, damnit, what am I saying?! My work here is just about to begin. ;)

Uh-oh - I hear that footlocker creaking open...
 
Some of us have said what we want more clearly than "feedback." And I suppose I could be taking notes. *Sigh* Hate making lists. Makes me think short term memory loss.
 
Rumple Foreskin said:
I pronounce nuclear "nuculer" just like George Bush. No, thank you, I don't want to be reminded of that flaw.

I'm so disillusioned now. *sob*
 
I typically don't give anything but optimistic feedback (read fluffy) unless cornered and poked with sharp sticks. For me, feedback is a friendly kiss in passing, but a critique borders on commitment.

And I have commitment issues. ;)
 
yui said:
I typically don't give anything but optimistic feedback (read fluffy) unless cornered and poked with sharp sticks. For me, feedback is a friendly kiss in passing, but a critique borders on commitment.

And I have commitment issues. ;)

*laugh*

That's brilliant. :)
 
*shrug*

I wouldn't let you tell me what to write... why would I tell you what feedback to give.

I've gleaned useful information even from the hateful emails... the individual made a passing comment that allowed me to drill down into my writing and get to a problem area.

Sincerely,
elsol
 
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