How did you become a Feminist?

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What book turned you onto feminism or into a feminist (however you define the term)? If not a book, what?

I’m posting the url below to a very fine essay by Dorothy Allison that asks this question and answers it as a writer. I urge you to read it, but if you don’t (thank me for not copying it here), she speaks of what turned her into a feminist—lots of authors and their books with “occasional glimpses of my real life on the page”. She also says, “I came to feminism as an escaped Baptist.”

Allison: “What was the first feminist book you read? Not Our Bodies, Ourselves or The Feminine Mystique. No, take me back. All the way back. Take me back to the trashy books you read. Take me back to the stuff that you read and that you wanted to be.”

I’m so glad she put it that way. I’ve read lots of “feminist” tracts and theory, but Allison made me recall the underpinnings of my feminist thinking. It began with the fairy tales I read as a girl, and identifying with Snow White, not because she ended up with a prince, but for me because she had black hair (vs. blond), an evil step-mother, and managed to survive a long time before being tricked into eating a bad apple.

Despite being a good-catholic-girl I never warmed to the virgin-mother, just could not see her as a role-model, not that I thought in those terms then. In fact I used to feel bad because I ignored her and even felt resentment toward her doormat persona. Eventually I became “an escaped Catholic”.

As I left off nursery texts I always gave a lot of thought to female heroines, even later when reading the classics in school. I paid close attention to the girls and women of Dickens, Dostoyesky, Hardy, the Bröntes, Shakespeare, and Greek and Roman mythology. I learned from all those femmes, they helped me build my own identity, and still do.

I remember very well in my early twenties (mid-sixties) learning about “Feminism” and realizing I had always been one, then simply feeling glad it had a name.

How about you?

Perdita

Notes to a Young Feminist
 
Two books made me a feminist. One was Pippi Longstocking (all of the books about her, really), where Pippi was a really cool, strong, tough girl who did what she wanted, without caring what other people thought was proper behaviour for a young girl.

The other book was a Swedish book called, in translation, The Girls Strike Back, which wasn't really as violent or dramatic as it sounds like. It was about a group of girls who one day decided that they were fed up with having to be mummy's helpers, while their brothers could play around all they wanted. They went on a strike, and actually managed to open a few guys' eyes to the injustice, and make them change their ways.

Ever since, I've been dusting the libraries for similar books, and sucked the wisdom out of them.
 
Why am I writing in this thread? I'm not female.

I do have three adult daughters. I saw no reason why they should be anything less than they could be just because they were female.

I had experience of working with, for and in charge of women. Throughout my career most of the people I worked with were women.

My first management job after I had finished post-graduate training was in charge of 25 women aged from 16 to 25. They gave me an unparallelled finishing education - in pmt, pregnancy, boyfriend troubles - you name it. I was asked to deal with the consequences and maintain my unit's output. WE did. Not ME. WE. They helped each other. They helped me. They didn't respond well to being ordered to do something. They did respond to being asked to do something because...

Those 25 young women taught me a lot. They taught me that women can do almost anything despite the role models I had seen when I was younger. The experience helped me when I became a father of daughters. I knew they could do anything. All they needed was love and encouragement. 'You want to ride a motorcycle? OK. If you go there, there is a motorcycle instructor and you can borrow a motorcycle.'

I NEVER said 'Girls don't/can't do that'. I did set rules and guidelines but explained, as far as they could understand at each age, why the rules were there. I tried to give them opportunities and challenges for them to deal with as they wanted to.

Am I a feminist? No. Do I believe that women can do virtually anything a man can do? Yes. The things they can't do are such small exceptions that they don't really matter.

Og
 
Thanks, Ogg. I certainly did not mean this thread for women only.

Perdita
 
I think that it's wrong to assume that men can't be feminists. It's like saying that white people can't support anti-racism.
 
My father -

he is the reason for my strength and independence.

Like Og, he always gave strength and support. It never even crossed my mind I couldn't succeed in areas where men traditionally dominated.

There was no great awakening of feminism for me; it was always there.

:)
 
Although I'm a Women's Studies minor, I have never really pondered this question. I know why I'm a feminist, and what a feminist is, but not so much HOW I reach this point in my life.

I guess it was high school when I realized that I am a feminist. My lover/girlfriend/best friend of the time and I talked about Jack Kerouac and John Lennon as if they were friends of ours and knew more about the Vietnam War than we did about the beginnings of the Iraq Conflict--we were posers, but I learned a lot, especially about activism as a way of life and standing up for one's beliefs.

Then in my first year of college, I took the first Women's Studies course, and I was hooked. My years of feeling stupid in school and feeling as if I had to be nice when my best (guy) friends got to be agressive were explained to me by all the greats; my struggles with my relationships to food were laid out by women whose strength I can't even fathom, and my occasionally pathetic behaviour in relationships was brought to my attention by the godesses of the movement. *shrugs*
 
The word 'feminist' in my mind seems out-of-date or something. Hard to put my finger on it. This idea of a feminist as a ball-crushing, hairy-legged, bra-burning female - which is wrong of course - just doesn't seem to appeal to the generation x or y. 'Independent woman' seems more applicable nowadays. But hey, I admit it is another label all the same.

A lot of women that I know wouldn't call themselves a feminist. Actually, what is considered a feminist in today's context?
 
I will confess to being uncomfortable with the word feminism.

Like all philosophies, it has too often morphed into ideology. At that point, in that rather clever phrase I put together, it is no longer concerned with being good, but with being right.

Andrea Dworkin is the first person of this type that pops into my mind.

For myself, I prefer humanism. I prefer a philosophy that includes all of humanity. One that can use the strengths and abilities of all of us.
 
rgraham666 said:
I will confess to being uncomfortable with the word feminism.

Like all philosophies, it has too often morphed into ideology. At that point, in that rather clever phrase I put together, it is no longer concerned with being good, but with being right.

Andrea Dworkin is the first person of this type that pops into my mind.

For myself, I prefer humanism. I prefer a philosophy that includes all of humanity. One that can use the strengths and abilities of all of us.

amen
 
I don't know the exact definition of feminism, but if it means a belief in sexual equality, that all persons should be all that they should be, that all persons should be equally responsible for what they do, and should be able to control their own lives,then I amcertainly a feminist. Dita will probably disagree with me because she automatically disagrees with what I say, but all my stories promote equality as does the one essay I have written so far,as will the others I will write.

I can't say that it is any particular book or anything else that Ihave read; it is just logic.
 
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I've considered myself to be a feminist all of my adult life. I rarely, if ever, stopped to think that being male would disqualify me. If anything, I think that it is more important for me to make my views known because I am male. Especially as a white male in a conservative career and community.

Not saying that it is more inportant for me to make my views known than it is for a female feminist to make her views known, just saying that because I am a good fit for the stereotypical male conservative, it makes a good juxtaposition in appearances.

By the by, I always considered it to be an equal rights movement, never a gender-biased movement. I approach racism the same way.
 
Both my parents were always very good about teaching my sister and me that we were not a lesser form of the species. My mother worked and not because it was necessary monetarily, but because she loved her profession--something almost unheard of (or at least frowned on) in the 50's and 60's. So I had an early feminist example right in my own house.

Then like a lot of you I read. I remember there was a section in my grade school library for a series of books called (I think) Silouette Biography's so named because the spine of the book had a sillouette (are either of these spellings even remotely correct?) of either a boy or girl. They were the biographies of famous people, but although they told why they'd achieved that recognition, the thrust of the story was always about the childhood of the person and how that influenced them in later life.

I think I read them all, but the ones I remember well are the ones about the women. Dolly Madison, Jane Hull, Molly Pitcher, Harriet Tubman, Sacajewia, Clara Barton, Harriet Beecher Stowe are just the ones I remember, I know there were more. I loved those books and though I'm certain that they were highly fictionalized they still gave me a sense of pride about my sex and the knowledge that history is not made only by men. Something I never got from any class I took in those days.

Later there were other less palatable lessons I learned that strengthened my convictions that women need to be recognized as equals, but these books and my family were definately the beginning.

Jayne
 
rgraham666 said:
I will confess to being uncomfortable with the word feminism.

Like all philosophies, it has too often morphed into ideology. At that point, in that rather clever phrase I put together, it is no longer concerned with being good, but with being right.

Andrea Dworkin is the first person of this type that pops into my mind.

For myself, I prefer humanism. I prefer a philosophy that includes all of humanity. One that can use the strengths and abilities of all of us.

Ideology works best when we believe that there is no ideology at work, which goes for humanism as well.

Rather than believing in ideologies, I recommend believing that there are always ideologies - a sound foundation for critical independent thinking.

Oh, as for books:

Foucault: The History of Sexuality

;) seems somewhat suitable to these fora.
 
wishfulthinking said:
The word 'feminist' in my mind seems out-of-date or something. Hard to put my finger on it. This idea of a feminist as a ball-crushing, hairy-legged, bra-burning female - which is wrong of course - just doesn't seem to appeal to the generation x or y. 'Independent woman' seems more applicable nowadays. But hey, I admit it is another label all the same.

What she said ... :). For me feminist sounded always a bit radical, people who would take the quest for equality to the extreme. Therefor it just doesnt sound right.

Anyways ... I share the opinion of most of the people here, that there is (and should be) nothing a woman cant achieve. Does that make me a feminist? I dont know.

And as we are also speaking of Books. I have recently read Dan Brown's "The Da Vinci Code" (yeah I know, not necessarily the historic most accurate book and certainly not the intellectual level usual applied to the AH), and he had quite some interesting points. According to him (and I dont know how accurate these information are) the early civilizations all worshipped the goddes and the sacred feminine in one way or another. Until the church came and turned the world into a testosterone driven place, ruled by men ... so actually, all this new selfawareness of women over the past decades is maybe just the start of turning things back into what they were, thousands of years ago.

CA
 
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perdita said:
What book turned you onto feminism or into a feminist (however you define the term)? If not a book, what?
I too have a little trouble defining the term. But as far as belief in equality between the sexes, i don't think I have ever been anything but a feminist for as long as I can remember.

I blame ma and pa.

#L
 
perdita said:
I remember very well in my early twenties (mid-sixties) learning about “Feminism” and realizing I had always been one, then simply feeling glad it had a name.

I didn't know I was a feminist until I heard the word used disparagingly.

I devoured fairy tales when I was a kid. I don't know how old I was when I started feeling a little perturbed that the female characters were either perfect - and helpless - or witches.

I still loved the stories, because they were only stories. (Just as I can enjoy pornography, and D/s themes, and have no problem reconciling it with being a feminist outside the bedroom.)

By the way, I'm sure I was at least as influenced by Saturday morning cartoons as I was by books - and earlier, too. I can't think of a single female character of any substance in the TV programs I loved as a kid. Mighty Mouse was forever rescuing the girl mouse, never the other way around - and always at the most inconvenient moment, when I was just about to find out what that cat had in mind for her! Dammit, Mighty Mouse, butt out for another five minutes, you ball-less, steroids-shriveled twit.

:devil:

Not just cartoons, either. Captain Kangaroo had an all-male cast: Bunny Rabbit, Mister Moose, Mister Greenjeans, Dancing Bear. At 3 or 4, it didn't bother me at all. It was just the way things were. Daddies and boys were evidently in charge of television.

Lassie, RinTinTin, Fury, My Friend Flicka - I loved those animal adventure shows, and there wasn't a girl in the bunch. Even Lassie was played by male collies.
 
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Literary Influences

I think I absorbed the idea that there could be women who could and would challenge the male establishment came from the classics including Greek Drama and Shakespeare.

Just a few examples:

Antigone, Dido, Lysistrata, Cleopatra.

Beatrice, Viola, Lady Macbeth, Cordelia.

Og

PS. I know Cleopatra and Dido are from the Latin.
 
I truly appreciate everyone's replies. For those who have an issue with the word feminism I urge you to read Allison's essay. It's just a word to me, not an ideology. The thing about feminism is that it began with bad press and too many people don't go further than that. Same with Marxism or Socialism. Think how scary the activism of Blacks and gays were to so many people at first (and still unfortunately).

Anyway, what prompted me to post this thread was that Allison's essay caused me to think about the whys of how I came to associate with feminism. Perhaps I put my question too narrowly.

best to all, Perdita
 
Glad you posted it P. Never thought of myself as a feminist, just an independent.
My father was/is one of these men that thought women shouldn't do 'unfeminine' things and I went out of my way to prove him wrong. He finally accepts that I can drive a pickup truck....old school thinking, but he's my dad and I love him.
~A~:rose:
 
I'm running late so I'll have to answer this properly later. Until then the short answer to How did you become a Feminist? would be that I just didn't know any better. ;) I was lucky enough to be born after the road was paved and, as a child, it never crossed my mind that I couldn't do all of the things that women had to fight so hard for the right to do.
 
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