How Democrats are fooling themselves about the Trump Russia scandal

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Democratic National Committee chairman Tom Perez recently rose to address a rowdy convention of California Democrats, many of whom were not terribly thrilled to see him. The remarks were brief, but Perez did manage to rattle off a doozy of a quip - invoking a trope that has become commonplace among a certain subset of the liberal commentariat: "We have a president .... I don't know who it is, Putin or Trump," Perez declared. "They're in a bromance. This is really weird."

The term "bromance" is the kind of slang, semi-joking jargon that many Democrats who otherwise fancy themselves reputable have lapsed into using with bizarre frequency. Its constant overuse to describe the Trump/Russia collusion allegations suggests not just impoverishment of language, but impoverishment of thought; Perez and his cohort routinely struggle to articulate with any precision what it is they think is actually at issue with the Trump/Russia story. Collusion? Treason? Interference? Meddling? Some hazy combination of them all?

It's seldom clear what, at bottom, is even being alleged. The "scandal" has become more a repository of generalized anti-Trump anger than a clearly-defined set of charges that can be investigated and corroborated. If anything, it's more a shape-shifting meta-scandal with loose boundaries and ever-expanding parameters.

On the Russia story, Democrats have prepped their base for a final climactic revelation which may never come. Certainly Trump, in his impetuousness and lack of foresight, has bolstered that perception. So it's now a sure-thing that national Democrats will remain fixated on this issue for the foreseeable future - and while it may succeed in hamstringing Trump, the kind of paranoid ardor underlying the general "Russia narrative" can't lead to fruitful politics and a future that puts them back into power.

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/05/24/democrats-fixated-on-trump-russia-scandal-commentary.html
 
Well golly gee whillakers. I'm glad some random guy on the internet knows so well that Russia is controlling the White House. He must know more than the intelligence services.

I'm sure it's undeniable at this point. There are so many people sharing classified info it's not even funny, and the huge fake news companies eat it up. Hell, when the news isn't crazy enough, they just make up their own shit and attribute an "anonymous govt source".

Also, it's almost impossible for politicians to not lie. Sometimes they just want to, sometimes to make their $donors happy, or because someone else has dirt on them, so they do the other's bidding to avoid getting leaked on themselves.

You don't know the truth any more than I do. But hey, if shouting more of your hate makes you feel good, do it in the shower where you can properly get off on it. The rest of us don't want to hear your ramblings.
 
Well golly gee whillakers. I'm glad some random guy on the internet knows so well that Russia is controlling the White House. He must know more than the intelligence services.

Oh, they know it too.

I'm sure it's undeniable at this point. There are so many people sharing classified info it's not even funny, and the huge fake news companies eat it up. Hell, when the news isn't crazy enough, they just make up their own shit and attribute an "anonymous govt source".

Lie.
 
Well if it really is "classified info" they're getting, then it's not fake news, is it?

If you're going to go with the "fake news" fake out, then you're going to have to stick with the "they're making all this shit up" argument. It can't be both.


I'm sure it's undeniable at this point. There are so many people sharing classified info it's not even funny, and the huge fake news companies eat it up. .
 
Perez told an audience in Las Vegas this weekend that Trump "doesn't give a shit about health care."

"They call it a skinny budget, I call it a shitty budget," Perez said in Portland, Maine.

what a fucking dick....people vote for that?
 
Perez told an audience in Las Vegas this weekend that Trump "doesn't give a shit about health care."

"They call it a skinny budget, I call it a shitty budget," Perez said in Portland, Maine.

what a fucking dick....people vote for that?

Why not? He's telling the truth, ain't he? And nobody backing Trump has any business complaining about coarse language.
 
Why not? He's telling the truth, ain't he? And nobody backing Trump has any business complaining about coarse language.

how about being a better role model for kids....maybe learn to use better language when speaking to the public.
 
as of today, Trump has committed NO crimes, none.....nada

but the FBI and the CIA have....

The FBI and CIA have been committing crimes for decades. So what? Should they be abolished? Of course I'm all for the responsible individual agents being brought to justice -- but none have apparently committed any crimes in connection with the Trump campaign or admin.
 
Russia does not control the White House. In the immediate past they used their intelligence service to gain access to DNC e-mails. Everybody knows Putin hates Hillary. Reason enough for him. The release of these added to the level of mistrust of Hillary Clinton. According the Trump, Comey was fired over the e-mail investigation. So as a bonus Ivan scored a removal of the director of US counter-intelligence.

When it was economically not viable to build golf courses Trump was still doing using Russian investors.

You want to talk Deep State. Follow the money. The Russian contacts were not intelligence officers. They are oligarchs, ministers and businessmen with connection to Putin. They don't even have to put shit in code because technically nothing was said.

The guys who meet with the Russian contacts should not be given government jobs. Pay them off with corporate directorships or summat. Or they should have sent fall guy flunkies. Yanks don't trust their government as it stands. Some may support Trump but a shitload still don't like spying governments or ex-Commies. Bad move to give them high level access jobs.
 
how about being a better role model for kids....maybe learn to use better language when speaking to the public.

Don't tell that to Perez, tell it to Trump, whose sins in that regard are far worse and whose influence in that regard is far more pernicious.
 
as of today, Trump has committed NO crimes, none.....nada
Taking money from his charity to pay personal/business expenses is, I'm pretty sure, illegal.
Sexual assault is illegal.
Stiffing a small family owned business for tens of thousands of dollars is only legal because he's very wealthy.
 
Several things are clear but a lot is not.

There was contact between Trump's team and some Russians, that seems indisputable as Trump sacked Flynn for lying about his contact with them

What's not clear is whether the contact was illegal in some way. However Flynn is hiding behind the 5th amendment, which immediately suggests guilt about something illegal. Also I read somewhere that Flynn said he'd spill the beans if he was guaranteed immunity from prosecution. That, if factual, also implies he did something with the Russians that was illegal.

So... As an interested observer I'm real keen to watch this one play out.
 
Actually, watch the rest of the top of the party, the elected members and they have secret information and are moving off of collusion in order to get Mueller to investigate "obstruction."


Hell, I was out yesterday morning and Glenn Beck was citing sources, which I take with a grain of salt, it is Glenn Beck, that submit that top Democrat fundraisers are hiring mental health people to analyze Trump's off-the-cuff speeches and answers to question in order to make the case that he is not competent and that the 25th Amendment should be employed..

This is some rabbit hole the Democrats are digging.
 
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