House rule change the GOP would rather you didn't know about

[Ulaven_Demorte]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Jd-iaYLO1A

House Rules Committee Republicans changed the Rules of the House so that the ONLY Member allowed to call up the Senate's clean CR for a vote was Majority Leader Eric Cantor or his designee -- all but guaranteeing the government would shut down a few hours later and would stay shut down. Previously, any Member would have had the right to bring the CR up for a vote.

Democracy has been suspended in the House of Representatives.

 

[kbate]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Jd-iaYLO1A

House Rules Committee Republicans changed the Rules of the House so that the ONLY Member allowed to call up the Senate's clean CR for a vote was Majority Leader Eric Cantor or his designee -- all but guaranteeing the government would shut down a few hours later and would stay shut down. Previously, any Member would have had the right to bring the CR up for a vote.

Democracy has been suspended in the House of Representatives.

in a "we want a clean resolution and no piecemeal shite" moment the senate sneaks through a 'death benefit' bill without the fanfare of the house piecemeal bills.

Let's face it - we need 535 new people in D.C.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

in a "we want a clean resolution and no piecemeal shite" moment the senate sneaks through a 'death benefit' bill without the fanfare of the house piecemeal bills.

Let's face it - we need 535 new people in D.C.

A Bill that would likely not have been needed if the House hadn't changed the rules so that bills coming back from the Senate can only be called to a vote by the House majority Leader or his designate.

The House GOP pushed the rule change through as part of another bill just prior to the shutdown and forced that shutdown in doing so.

 

[RobDownSouth]

A Bill that would likely not have been needed if the House hadn't changed the rules so that bills coming back from the Senate can only be called to a vote by the House majority Leader or his designate.

The House GOP pushed the rule change through as part of another bill just prior to the shutdown and forced that shutdown in doing so.

Which,of course, is President Obama's fault.

Just ask AJ.

Or Miles.

 

[richard_daily]

Of course the republicans wanted to shut down the government.

Of course they change rules as they go along to suit their agenda (re-districting is another good example of this).

 

[richard_daily]

A Bill that would likely not have been needed if the House hadn't changed the rules so that bills coming back from the Senate can only be called to a vote by the House majority Leader or his designate.

The House GOP pushed the rule change through as part of another bill just prior to the shutdown and forced that shutdown in doing so.

I actually think you've actually won a great victory here. That's the closest I've ever seen kbate to admitting that either she or the republican party are wrong about something.

 

[landslider2000]

Reid could have brought up any of the House proposals which funded the govt, but left Obamacare funding for later discussion.

Piecemeal proposals are far more "clean" than the omnibus approach Reid wants in order to get his way.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Reid could have brought up any of the House proposals which funded the govt, but left Obamacare funding for later discussion.

Piecemeal proposals are far more "clean" than the omnibus approach Reid wants in order to get his way.

That's not the way we do things in America.

Perhaps you could explain to the class why Speaker Boehner won't allow an up-or-down vote on the Clean CR....no tears. Is it because he knows it will pass with bi-partisan support?

If so, doesn't that make a mockery of the happy horseshit rationalizations you've been shoveling here for the past week?

What part of the concept of "majority rule" offends you the most?

 

[Sean]

 

[kbate]

A Bill that would likely not have been needed if the House hadn't changed the rules so that bills coming back from the Senate can only be called to a vote by the House majority Leader or his designate.

The House GOP pushed the rule change through as part of another bill just prior to the shutdown and forced that shutdown in doing so.

So Senate Good. House Bad.

Got it.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

Reid could have brought up any of the House proposals which funded the govt, but left Obamacare funding for later discussion.

Piecemeal proposals are far more "clean" than the omnibus approach Reid wants in order to get his way.

You're straying from the topic. The House GOP changed the rules so that the bills sent back from the Senate could only be called to a vote by the Majority Leader or his designate.

The Senate has sent back funding bills stripped of the "defund the ACA" provisions several times. The House, specifically Eric Cantor, has refused to allow them to be called for a vote.

If any Representative could call them to a vote, as the House rule previously stated, it would have been passed. More than enough of the GOP Representatives are in favor of a clean CR for it to have passed long ago, yet Cantor refuses to allow a vote.

But House Republicans aren't the only issue, GOP senators have blocked all attempts to form a committee to resolve differences in the bills. 19 times it has been suggested, 19 times it has been shot down by a GOP Senator. It requires unanimous consent you see.

This shutdown rests squarely on the Heads of the House GOP.

 

[Not Normal]

Let's face it - we need 535 new people in D.C.

yep

Its embarrassing.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

So Senate Good. House Bad.

Got it.

No, you don't.

As pointed out in my previous post, the Senate has attempted to reconcile the issues between the House and Senate versions and has been blocked by the GOP in the Senate, NINETEEN TIMES since April, because it requires unanimous consent to form a bicameral conference committee.

1. 4/23 Senator Reid requested unanimous consent to go to conference, Senator Toomey blocked.

2. 5/6 Senator Reid requested unanimous consent to go to conference, Senator Cruz blocked.

3. 5/7 Senator Murray requested unanimous consent to go to conference, Senator McConnell blocked.

4. 5/8 Senator Warner asked unanimous consent to go to conference, Senator McConnell blocked.

5. 5/9 Senator Murray asked unanimous consent to go to conference, Senator McConnell blocked.

6. 5/14 Senator Warner asked unanimous consent to go to conference, and Senator McConnell blocked.

7. 5/15 Senator Wyden asked unanimous consent to go to conference, and Senator McConnell blocked.

8. 5/16 Senator Murray asked unanimous consent to go to conference, and Senator Lee blocked.

9. 5/21 Senator Murray asked unanimous consent to go to conference, and Senator Paul blocked.

10. 5/22 Senator Kaine asked unanimous consent to go to conference, and Senator Rubio blocked.

11. 5/23 Senator McCaskill asked unanimous consent to go to conference, and Senator Lee blocked.

12. 6/4 Senator Murray asked unanimous consent to go to conference, and Senator Rubio blocked.

13. 6/12 Senator Kaine asked unanimous consent to go to conference, and Senator Lee blocked.

14. 6/19 Senator Murray asked unanimous consent to go to conference, and Senator Toomey blocked.

15. 6/26 Senator Murray requested unanimous consent to go to conference, Senator Cruz blocked.

16. 7/11 Senator Murray requested unanimous consent to go to conference, Senator Marco Rubio blocked.

17. 7/17 Senator Murray requested unanimous consent to go to conference, Senator Mike Lee blocked.

18. 8/1 Senator Durbin requested unanimous consent to go to conference, Senator Marco Rubio blocked.

19. 10/2 Senator Murray requested unanimous consent to go to conference, Senator Toomey blocked.

 

[kbate]

No, you don't.

As pointed out in my previous post, the Senate has attempted to reconcile the issues between the House and Senate versions and has been blocked by the GOP, NINETEEN TIMES since April, because it requires unanimous consent to form a bicameral conference committee.

1. 4/23 Senator Reid requested unanimous consent to go to conference, Senator Toomey blocked.

2. 5/6 Senator Reid requested unanimous consent to go to conference, Senator Cruz blocked.

3. 5/7 Senator Murray requested unanimous consent to go to conference, Senator McConnell blocked.

4. 5/8 Senator Warner asked unanimous consent to go to conference, Senator McConnell blocked.

5. 5/9 Senator Murray asked unanimous consent to go to conference, Senator McConnell blocked.

6. 5/14 Senator Warner asked unanimous consent to go to conference, and Senator McConnell blocked.

7. 5/15 Senator Wyden asked unanimous consent to go to conference, and Senator McConnell blocked.

8. 5/16 Senator Murray asked unanimous consent to go to conference, and Senator Lee blocked.

9. 5/21 Senator Murray asked unanimous consent to go to conference, and Senator Paul blocked.

10. 5/22 Senator Kaine asked unanimous consent to go to conference, and Senator Rubio blocked.

11. 5/23 Senator McCaskill asked unanimous consent to go to conference, and Senator Lee blocked.

12. 6/4 Senator Murray asked unanimous consent to go to conference, and Senator Rubio blocked.

13. 6/12 Senator Kaine asked unanimous consent to go to conference, and Senator Lee blocked.

14. 6/19 Senator Murray asked unanimous consent to go to conference, and Senator Toomey blocked.

15. 6/26 Senator Murray requested unanimous consent to go to conference, Senator Cruz blocked.

16. 7/11 Senator Murray requested unanimous consent to go to conference, Senator Marco Rubio blocked.

17. 7/17 Senator Murray requested unanimous consent to go to conference, Senator Mike Lee blocked.

18. 8/1 Senator Durbin requested unanimous consent to go to conference, Senator Marco Rubio blocked.

19. 10/2 Senator Murray requested unanimous consent to go to conference, Senator Toomey blocked.

Yes. I basically do.

The Senate just did what they and their president said, "WE WILL NOT DO", but you are cheering them on and blaming the House for them doing it.

Democrat Good. Republican Bad.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Yes. I basically do.

The Senate just did what they and their president said, "WE WILL NOT DO", but you are cheering them on and blaming the House for them doing it.

Democrat Good. Republican Bad.

^^^ She gets quite grumpy when AJ bails early.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

Yes. I basically do.

The Senate just did what they and their president said, "WE WILL NOT DO", but you are cheering them on and blaming the House for them doing it.

Democrat Good. Republican Bad.

They did what they had to do to keep death benefits going for soldier's families. They could have refused and pointed out, loudly and repeatedly why those benefits were endangered in the first place.

But why punish those families because the GOP refuses to negotiate and would rather hold the economy hostage?

Once more, for the cheap seats.. If the House GOP hadn't amended their own rules so that ONLY the majority leader can call a vote on a bill returned from the Senate then none of this would have been necessary. There are more than enough GOP representatives on board with a clean CR to have passed it long ago.
If the Senate GOP hadn't refused, NINETEEN TIMES, to go to committee to resolve the budget bill differences this would not have been necessary.

 

[JohnnySavage]

They did what they had to do to keep death benefits going for soldier's families. They could have refused and pointed out, loudly and repeatedly why those benefits were endangered in the first place.

But why punish those families because the GOP refuses to negotiate and would rather hold the economy hostage?

Once more, for the cheap seats.. If the House GOP hadn't amended their own rules so that ONLY the majority leader can call a vote on a bill returned from the Senate then none of this would have been necessary. There are more than enough GOP representatives on board with a clean CR to have passed it long ago.
If the Senate GOP hadn't refused, NINETEEN TIMES, to go to committee to resolve the budget bill differences this would not have been necessary.

As an aside, Cantor is probably the only (semi) honest politician from Virginia. As sad as that is.

Here in the DC metro area, we've been bombarded with commercials for the two Va gubernatorial candidates. As was recently opined, Virginians have a choice between a crook and a creep.

 

[landslider2000]

Reid could have brought up any of the House proposals which funded the govt, but left Obamacare funding for later discussion.

Piecemeal proposals are far more "clean" than the omnibus approach Reid wants.

The old "Close the Washington Monument" approach has degenerated into "Close the War Memorials" in Obama's attempt to maximize the pain.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

The "piecemeal proposal" jargon is pretty funny. Loosely based on fact it is another one of those distortions that has taken on a life of its own.

There is a big difference between the way authorization and appropriations have been hammered out and crafted, by looking at each department and working on the department authorizations piece by piece and working towards an appropriation and a budget with debate and compromise through every step and a "piecemeal approach" where only pet spending by one side is approved of for a vote.

 

[richard_daily]

Yes. I basically do.

The Senate just did what they and their president said, "WE WILL NOT DO", but you are cheering them on and blaming the House for them doing it.

Democrat Good. Republican Bad.

Are the republicans right in this case?

Is this rules change a good idea for democracy?

Feel free to duck and run.

 

[kbate]

They did what they had to do to keep death benefits going for soldier's families. They could have refused and pointed out, loudly and repeatedly why those benefits were endangered in the first place.

But why punish those families because the GOP refuses to negotiate and would rather hold the economy hostage?

Once more, for the cheap seats.. If the House GOP hadn't amended their own rules so that ONLY the majority leader can call a vote on a bill returned from the Senate then none of this would have been necessary. There are more than enough GOP representatives on board with a clean CR to have passed it long ago.
If the Senate GOP hadn't refused, NINETEEN TIMES, to go to committee to resolve the budget bill differences this would not have been necessary.

Why indeed? Why punish the FEMA families by refusing to take up the House bill restoring funding FEMA? Because the Senate jumped on Vet's families first, that makes THEM the proper piecemeal to pass?

Of course, that is it.

I haven't said a word about your rant about Nineteen TIMES! It is irrelevant and has nothing to do with the Senate bill I mentioned.

 

[kbate]

Are the republicans right in this case?

Is this rules change a good idea for democracy?

Feel free to duck and run.

Dear Idiot,

I haven't said a thing good about Republicans, so please stop pretending I have.

Saying that the Democrats are also fucking morons, is not the same as saying, "Republican Good".

Try again.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Reid could have brought up any of the House proposals which funded the govt, but left Obamacare funding for later discussion.

Piecemeal proposals are far more "clean" than the omnibus approach Reid wants.

The old "Close the Washington Monument" approach has degenerated into "Close the War Memorials" in Obama's attempt to maximize the pain.

Perhaps you could explain to the class why Speaker Boehner won't allow an up-or-down vote on the Clean CR....no tears. Is it because he knows it will pass with bi-partisan support?

If so, doesn't that make a mockery of the happy horseshit rationalizations you've been shoveling here for the past week?

What part of the concept of "majority rule" offends you the most?

 

[RobDownSouth]

Dear Idiot,

I haven't said a thing good about Republicans, so please stop pretending I have.

Saying that the Democrats are also fucking morons, is not the same as saying, "Republican Good".

Try again.

Do you understand the concept of "balance fallacy"?

If Democrats do something once, and Republicans do something 99 times, is it logical to say "both sides do it"?

 

[richard_daily]

Dear Idiot,

I haven't said a thing good about Republicans, so please stop pretending I have.

Saying that the Democrats are also fucking morons, is not the same as saying, "Republican Good".

Try again.

Let me slow it down for you, since I now realize that you have trouble reading.

You posted in a thread about Republicans changing the rules to prevent a clean CR, and only allow the majority leader to allow it.

Do you believe that this was a good idea for democracy?

Again, feel free to run away, deflect, or pretend like you don't understand the question.

Or throw insults. You like doing that too.

Maybe once you're done, you can declare unilateral victory. That would be SO unlike you.