Hmmm... now, there's an idea.

[MagicaPractica]

Fifty Shades of Grey style book but better written and with a female dominant. What do you think? Anybody feel like writing it? I don't think I could sustain the interest in the project, or have the knowledge to write it. Nor do I have the time to do the research I would require.

 

[sr71plt]

Wouldn't the worst aspect of that be that, to make it similar, you'd actually have to read Fifty Shades of Grey? (I'll pass.)

 

[MagicaPractica]

Wouldn't the worst aspect of that be that, to make it similar, you'd actually have to read Fifty Shades of Grey? (I'll pass.)

Well, I think it would be best not to have it that similar. I was thinking more... in the same vein. An answer to FSoG, if you will, building on the momentum by offering a BDSM book with a female domme that really explores the topic. Perhaps it wouldn't work because it wouldn't be fanfic, but it was an idea that popped into my head which I'm not qualified to write, so I'm throwing it out there.

 

[Bellatrixie]

Well one of the stories I currently have on the go is called The Toy and it is fem dom. I highly doubt that it would ever do as good as fifty shades of grey though (not speaking specifically of my fem dom stories LOL just any fem dom stories) for the following reason...most people who purchase erotica are women and most women identify more with female sub/male dom then with fem dom (which I have had friends say is just icky...because you know a confident, forceful woman is just ten kinds of wrong isn't it (that was sarcasm).

When people think fem dom they picture your typical caricature. Male doms can be sexy and hot and alpha but fem doms are just weird (not saying that's true but that is the opinion that has been shared with me more than once).

Bella

 

[lovecraft68]

Fifty Shades of Grey style book but better written and with a female dominant. What do you think? Anybody feel like writing it? I don't think I could sustain the interest in the project, or have the knowledge to write it. Nor do I have the time to do the research I would require.

Its coming. I'm waiting for the back half to come back from the editor and I am ready to launch my "anti-shades."

The book is styled around a group fo 12 doms. This is book one so focuses on the 4 main members and one new one being initiated in.

The female lead is the head of the group and although the entire book is not femdom she starts it off by overseeing and eventually participating in the punishment of a female member. Later in the book she goes all out on another member in a pretty hardcore scene that will most likely send the "mommy's" from 50 shades running.

There is also a softer femdom scene in there as well.

This is not 50 shades in any way shape or form although there is a romance running throughout the story line.

My doms are real and are not posers. and a lot of the sex hardcore. The conflicted badboy is so conflicted that at the end you will be wanting to scream at the female lead to get the hell away from him while she can.

I started this concept three years ago. I began piecing the novel together early this year. When 50 shades took off it inspired me.

But not in the good way. It set me off. Its harlequin fanfic bordering on rip off and an insult to anyone who has ever lived the lifestyle. The sex scenes are no hotter than the watered down late night showtime movies of the 80's.

I used this book to drive myself to complete its opposite. It won't sell anywhere near as well because it is too hardcore to hit mainstream, but I'll enjoy tossing out what I feel is the "real deal"

Best of all, seeing I'm a man who for the most part prefers women over men as friends and is more sympathetic to them in many ways then most men. I am priding myself on the fact my female lead and supporting "fems" are not "Anastasia"

They are not weak, naive little girls. They are unimpressed by men in general and use them as they wish. They are strong not fragile. So probably everything the "mommy's" will shy away from. After all can;t have romance if the female doesn't need to be saved or swept off her feet now can we?

 

[lovecraft68]

Fifty Shades of Grey style book but better written and with a female dominant. What do you think? Anybody feel like writing it? I don't think I could sustain the interest in the project, or have the knowledge to write it. Nor do I have the time to do the research I would require.

Wouldn't the worst aspect of that be that, to make it similar, you'd actually have to read Fifty Shades of Grey? (I'll pass.)

One would think. However in this case, I and (you) and many others have not read this, but heard so much about this that I feel as if I have.

My wife and sister both started it and gave up, but I got enough from them about this thing to know how truly weak it is.

I am looking on the positive side however. Its getting women thinking about BDSM. Of course this is as hardcore as vanilla ice cream, but I will consider it a gateway drug.

Its marijuana if you will, to the lsd/pcp that other authors can truly deliver.

 

[PennLady]

When people think fem dom they picture your typical caricature. Male doms can be sexy and hot and alpha but fem doms are just weird (not saying that's true but that is the opinion that has been shared with me more than once).

Bella

I'm wondering -- could it be not so much that the strong female doms are unappealing but more that a weak or "wimpy" male is unappealing? I'm not saying a male sub has to be weak or wimpy, but maybe that's the perception?

I wrote a story (Island Encounter) with elements of fem dom, but the guy wasn't a wuss, or at least none of the feedback said he was. Although I'd bet most of that feedback was from men, now that I think about it. Perhaps some men prefer a dominant woman more than women prefer a sub-type man.

 

[PennLady]

Wouldn't the worst aspect of that be that, to make it similar, you'd actually have to read Fifty Shades of Grey? (I'll pass.)

That would be the worst aspect. On the other hand, so much has been written about 50 Shades that actually reading the books might not be necessary.

It would also depend on just what aspect of the story you are commenting on with your new story. I wrote a story (The Hunted Key) because one element of a story I'd read on Lit bugged me. It was a nonhuman thing but I went in a very different direction than the original story (which I'm not even sure was finished).

 

[lovecraft68]

I'm wondering -- could it be not so much that the strong female doms are unappealing but more that a weak or "wimpy" male is unappealing? I'm not saying a male sub has to be weak or wimpy, but maybe that's the perception?

I wrote a story (Island Encounter) with elements of fem dom, but the guy wasn't a wuss, or at least none of the feedback said he was. Although I'd bet most of that feedback was from men, now that I think about it. Perhaps some men prefer a dominant woman more than women prefer a sub-type man.

Fems are not popular because they take away the heroine's ability to be helpless to the female romance fans and as for men? Low self esteem and lack of enough back bone to enjoy a woman in control.

They would rather read rape stories because that is as it should be. No fun when the woman is doing the raping.

 

[Bellatrixie]

I'm wondering -- could it be not so much that the strong female doms are unappealing but more that a weak or "wimpy" male is unappealing? I'm not saying a male sub has to be weak or wimpy, but maybe that's the perception?

Yes it is the perception. Joey W. Smith writes some awesome fem Dom stuff and her dom's are not caricatures and her subs are not wimps. My IRL sub is a foot taller than me with a pain tolerance that is through the roof (kind of concerning at times to be frank)....most assuredly not a wimp. But I still think that fem Dom will never be as popular as male Dom/fem sub which sucks because I way prefer writing fem Dom to the reverse.

 

[MagicaPractica]

Sorry, hadn't noticed this conversation had continued. Very interesting to hear the perspectives. Thanks for sharing.

It occurs to me that Anne Rice's (writing as Rampling) Exit to Eden was female domme with a strong male. I enjoyed it when I read it about 20 years ago but don't remember much of it. They did make a movie out of it but almost seemed a joke.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Fifty Shades of Grey style book but better written and with a female dominant. What do you think? Anybody feel like writing it? I don't think I could sustain the interest in the project, or have the knowledge to write it. Nor do I have the time to do the research I would require.

Just as long as you write it from the female gaze.

The success of fifty shades is not that it's BDSM, but that its erotically titillating to women. It's porn that is actually about her, with him as the object.

If the writer can't get that gaze-- you won't have that fifty shades success.

 

[Handley_Page]

Just as long as you write it from the female gaze.

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Oh those bloody websites !
I wear glasses, right?. I have enough trouble with Lit these days (and that despite new glasses), and I truly and passionately Hate "intrusive adverts" and a general feeling of a waste of available space on a page.
"flick filosopher" is the terrible example of a bad layout, IMO. And the choice of fount does not make it easier.
I realise it may be considered "trendy" or even "fashionable", but it's a grade A bitch to read.
And just when I want to learn something, too.

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[MagicaPractica]

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Oh those bloody websites !
I wear glasses, right?. I have enough trouble with Lit these days (and that despite new glasses), and I truly and passionately Hate "intrusive adverts" and a general feeling of a waste of available space on a page.
"flick filosopher" is the terrible example of a bad layout, IMO. And the choice of fount does not make it easier.
I realise it may be considered "trendy" or even "fashionable", but it's a grade A bitch to read.
And just when I want to learn something, too.

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Handley - Since you posted this in a thread I started, I'm going to be annoying and ask if you tried increasing the font size and zoom on your browser? I'm not sure how large you need the text to be in order to be able to read it comfortably.

 

[MagicaPractica]

Just as long as you write it from the female gaze.

The success of fifty shades is not that it's BDSM, but that its erotically titillating to women. It's porn that is actually about her, with him as the object.

If the writer can't get that gaze-- you won't have that fifty shades success.

A very interesting article, thank you for sharing it. My mind is still trying to make all the connections with my own experience that it brings up. I remember having a character comment in one of my stories that she really wished they allowed male full frontal nudity. But, as the author points out, it's really not just about sex but society. Witness the recent uproar over a woman lawmaker using the word vagina. Not even going into what actually happened, comments by people on the Internet were polarized about how shocking it was for her to say the word aloud when, in truth, it's simply part of the female anatomy. I think that's a perfect example of the male gaze in society, right there. This type of thing has been very concerning for me over the years and even more so now with a daughter to raise. Thanks for the food for thought.

 

[Bellatrixie]

[/subject off]
Oh those bloody websites !
I wear glasses, right?. I have enough trouble with Lit these days (and that despite new glasses), and I truly and passionately Hate "intrusive adverts" and a general feeling of a waste of available space on a page.
"flick filosopher" is the terrible example of a bad layout, IMO. And the choice of fount does not make it easier.
I realise it may be considered "trendy" or even "fashionable", but it's a grade A bitch to read.
And just when I want to learn something, too.

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One of the joys of doing most of my surfing on my phone is that I never have to see people get kre8tive with fonts and colors LOL because it all defaults down. I found the article really interesting.