hitler: was he a right winger?

[killallhippies]

simple answer? yes, but here's a poll anyway. vote. i just want to see what you fuckers think/know.

 

[killallhippies]

too obvious? you'd think so.

 

[great lover]

where is the "no idea" option?

 

[naughtycakes]

where is the "no idea" option?

I voted no. But he wasn't a left-winger, either. He was a nationalist socialist, duh. I guess more on the right than the left, though. Definatley not a left-winger.

It was all about communism vs. socialism in Germany at that time. Everybody knows that... right?

 

[Wok]

simple answer? yes, but here's a poll anyway. vote. i just want to see what you fuckers think/know.

Perg and I were discussing that yesterday, and the answer seems convoluted. Then only reason I thought it was on the right because they hated Communism, but at the same time had central controls on industry. It was very difficult to understand where on the spectrum it was. In all, it was still a shitty regime.

 

[great lover]

Perg and I were discussing that yesterday, and the answer seems convoluted. Then only reason I thought it was on the right because they hated Communism, but at the same time had central controls on industry. It was very difficult to understand where on the spectrum it was. In all, it was still a shitty regime.

Shitty true, but a lot of today's regimes got their lessons from that one. Putin for instance.

 

[killallhippies]

Perg and I were discussing that yesterday, and the answer seems convoluted. Then only reason I thought it was on the right because they hated Communism, but at the same time had central controls on industry. It was very difficult to understand where on the spectrum it was. In all, it was still a shitty regime.

well, that's the problem. communists share very little in common with traditional liberals economically or in many other ways, but no one has any problem lumping them both together as left wing.

 

[Guest]

I would have said he was a right bastard...

 

[atmas]

He was a socialist (Nazi is a contraction of the German words for National Socialist party).
Socialism is traditionally considered a leftist ideology.
Fact is he was a fascist, yes.

 

[naughtycakes]

He was a socialist (Nazi is a contraction of the German words for National Socialist party).
Socialism is traditionally considered a leftist ideology.
Fact is he was a fascist, yes.

Exactly. But fascism is traditionally considered a rightist ideology. Just goes to show you how mixed up these political terms can get.

 

[atmas]

Exactly. But fascism is traditionally considered a rightist ideology. Just goes to show you how mixed up these political terms can get.

Quite right. He was a dictator, and though his party paid lip service to being socialist I don't imagine he was too disturbed when his "vision" strayed from the Good Socialist Handbook.
He had a personal (demonically insane) agenda; it doesn't much matter if he conformed with the connotations of the terms used to name that agenda.

 

[killallhippies]

He was a socialist (Nazi is a contraction of the German words for National Socialist party).
Socialism is traditionally considered a leftist ideology.
Fact is he was a fascist, yes.

not definitive, but it sounds pretty right wing to me with some odd additions.

Among the key elements of Nazism were anti-parliamentarism, ethnic nationalism, racism, collectivism,[8] eugenics, antisemitism, opposition to economic liberalism and political liberalism,[9] a racially-defined and conspiratorial view of finance capitalism,[10] anti-communism, and totalitarianism.

wikipedia link.

i was trying to find something else. i might keep looking for a minute.

 

[coastal-boy]

I would have said he was a right bastard...

yes...he was a bastard alright

 

[killallhippies]

Exactly. But fascism is traditionally considered a rightist ideology. Just goes to show you how mixed up these political terms can get.

i think the problem some people have is the fact the nazism isn't a traditional right wing ideology, but an extreme form. also, all that fucking cold war propaganda is hard to get over.

 

[Wok]

i think the problem some people have is the fact the nazism isn't a traditional right wing ideology, but an extreme form. also, all that fucking cold war propaganda is hard to get over.

Hitler also had a very ironclad propaganda machine.

 

[killallhippies]

Hitler also had a very ironclad propaganda machine.

a lot of nations did and still do. nowadays they're generally just a bit more subtle about it. fake fema press conference anyone?

 

[coastal-boy]

i think the problem some people have is the fact the nazism isn't a traditional right wing ideology, but an extreme form. also, all that fucking cold war propaganda is hard to get over.

"radical" fits nicely.

 

[IndieSnob]

I'm actually going to change over to a degree that will allow me to add in some history classes, so once I take the one on Nazi Germany I'll make sure to report back to this thread.

 

[Wok]

a lot of nations did and still do. nowadays they're generally just a bit more subtle about it. fake fema press conference anyone?

Oh I agree. The United States is immersed in propaganda. Ads, partizanship, Edward Bernays...

 

[naughtycakes]

i think the problem some people have is the fact the nazism isn't a traditional right wing ideology, but an extreme form. also, all that fucking cold war propaganda is hard to get over.

I think the problem some people have is the fact they're ignorant, or stupid, or both.

 

[atmas]

Hitler was also a fairly famous Roman Catholic.
I wonder if he ate meat on Fridays during lent?
And how long it typically took for him to give his confession?

 

[naughtycakes]

Hitler was also a fairly famous Roman Catholic.
I wonder if he ate meat on Fridays during lent?
And how long it typically took for him to give his confession?

Really? I didn't know he was Catholic. Shit, guess I should edit my comment on ignorance...

 

[rimmy]

He wasn't a right winger, he was a defenseman who sometime played on the powerplay.

 

[TheEscapist]

Not so much a right-winger, at least no more so then Roosevelt was. Both took advantage of the Great Depression to solidify their party's power, both exploited nationalism and war to stimulate failing economies, both pandered to labor sympathizers while nationalizing businesses, etc... Hitler's opposition to Communism was based more on his antisemitism then his political leanings, but racism is not necessary to fascism. Neither Mussolini nor Franco were as rabidly obsessed with racial issues like he was, so that was fairly unique to Germany.

It's tough to say, really. It's nearly impossible to shoehorn the the politics of another country 70 years ago into modern American definitions. Best not to try, 'cause it really is pointless one way or another.

 

[Lost Cause]

Ohhhh reallly??

Sounds like a Democratic Left platform to me~
http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com//sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/ahitb.jpg

"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions." --Adolf Hitler

(Speech of May 1, 1927. Quoted by Toland, 1976, p. 306)


13. We demand the nationalization of all businesses which have been formed into corporations (trusts).

14. We demand profit-sharing in large industrial enterprises.

15. We demand the extensive development of insurance for old age.

8. We demand the ruthless prosecution of those whose activities are injurious to the common interest. Common criminals, usurers, profiteers, etc., must be punished with death, whatever their creed or race.

20. The State must consider a thorough reconstruction of our national system of education (with the aim of opening up to every able and hard-working German the possibility of higher education and of thus obtaining advancement).
The curricula of all educational establishments must be brought into line with the requirements of practical life. The aim of the school must be to give the pupil, beginning with the first sign of intelligence, a grasp of the nation of the State (through the study of civic affairs). We demand the education of gifted children of poor parents, whatever their class or occupation, at the expense of the State.


http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com/hitler-leftist/

Anti-smoking
The Luftwaffe banned smoking in 1938 and the post office did likewise.Smoking was barred in many workplaces, government offices, hospitals,and rest homes. The NSDAP (National sozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei) announced a ban on smoking in its offices in 1939, at which time SS chief Heinrich Himmler announced a smoking ban for all uniformed police and SS officers while on duty.(15) The Journal of the American Medical Association that year reported Hermann Goering's decree barring soldiers from smoking on the streets, on marches, and on brief off duty periods.(16) Sixty of Germany's largest cities banned smoking on street cars in 1941.(17) Smoking was banned in air raid shelters-though some shelters reserved separate rooms for smokers.(18) During the war years tobacco rationing coupons were denied to pregnant women (and to all women below the age of 25) while restaurants and cafes were barred from selling cigarettes to female customers.(19) From July 1943 it was illegal for anyone under the age of 18 to smoke in public.(20) Smoking was banned on all German city trains and buses in 1944, the initiative coming from Hitler himself,who was worried about exposure of young female conductors to tobacco smoke.(21) Nazi policies were heralded as marking"the beginning of the end" of tobacco use in Germany.(14)

Animal Rights
What Reichschancellor Adolph Hitler and Minister-president Goering have done and will do for the protection of animals should set the course for the leaders of all civilized nations! It is a deed which will bring the New Germany innumerable new elated friends in all nations. Millions of friends of animals and anti-vivisectionists of all civilized nations thank these two leaders from their hearts for this exemplary civil deed!


Guns
Nazi Weapons Act of 1938 (Translated to English)

* Classified guns for "sporting purposes".
* All citizens who wished to purchase firearms had to register with the Nazi officials and have a background check.
* Presumed German citizens were hostile and thereby exempted Nazis from the gun control law.
* Gave Nazis unrestricted power to decide what kinds of firearms could, or could not be owned by private persons.
* The types of ammunition that were legal were subject to control by bureaucrats.
* Juveniles under 18 years could not buy firearms and ammunition.