History was written by the winners

[Guest]

"Like the second world war, the war we are fighting now began with a ruthless, surprise attack on America." - George W Bush

You surprised me, George!

So, the bit about the Nazi invading Poland was rubbish?!

 

[Guest]

I can't believe he said that in public. I do believe it, but this is one of the worst. Would love to have seen many European faces when they first heard this.

sigh, Perdita

 

[sweetnpetite]

"Like the second world war, the war we are fighting now began with a ruthless, surprise attack on America." - George W Bush

You surprised me, George!

So, the bit about the Nazi invading Poland was rubbish?!

America. It's all about us.

Hey, it's a pun! I didn't notice until I typed it

AMERICA. It's all about US.

 

[Guest]

I can't believe he said that in public.

Apparently, he did. In mid-August. This was as precise as my source could reveal to me (N.B. It was a single source).

[size=0.5]Footnote: N.B. stands for nota bene, meaning take special notice of; note well, note that, etc.[/size]

 

[Virtual_Burlesque]

George W's attempts to speak historically has always bin Laden with these kind of paux pas.

 

[pop_54]

"Like the second world war, the war we are fighting now began with a ruthless, surprise attack on America." - George W Bush

You surprised me, George!

So, the bit about the Nazi invading Poland was rubbish?!

He learned his history from Hollywood and the films I think... no one else was ever in a war according to them.

War is God's way of teaching Americans geography.

 

[Guest]

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War is God's way of teaching Americans geography.

Pops, that's brilliant. My god, you're sexy and a wit. P.


CV: I love when you speak Latin.

 

[sweetnpetite]

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He learned his history from Hollywood and the films I think... no one else was ever in a war according to them.

War is God's way of teaching Americans geography.

Like I said, it's all about US.

 

[Guest]

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CV: I love when you speak Latin.

That was for the president Bush, not for you!

 

[Guest]

Ceeve: you are too complicated for me. I'm leaving you. It was fun. This is so embarrassing.

Perdita

 

[ABSTRUSE]

George W's attempts to speak historically has always bin Laden with these kind of paux pas.

 

[BlackShanglan]

"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?"

(My family still quotes that line when militating in favor of pointless resistance to reality.)

Shanglan

 

[Colleen Thomas]

Certainly not a poster child for the merits of an ivy league education is he?

-Colly

 

[sweetnpetite]

or is it that the history writers win?

or the writers win history?


think election 2000

 

[Guest]

George, the world is not about black and white.

It's about more.

 

[shereads]

You surprised me, George!

He can still surprise you?

 

[Lucifer_Carroll]

Maybe someone finally helped him read 1984 and he said "I gotta get me some of that hot history action".

Yeah, I'm sort of dismayed at how history ignorant our country is. The hating of French (hell, they only gave us the ideals of our country, the Statue of Liberty, and freedom from the British twice (Revolutionary War and War of 1812)), the inability to tie direct incidents of the past to current events (hey we funded al-queda and Saddam Huessein, should we worry about who we're funding today to fight them?), and most damning of all the inability to remember further back than a month (like people actually checking up on Afghanistan, our government's habit of outing key members of the War against Terrorism, WMDs, record of lies, history of politician's lying, Nixon's dirty tricks, etc...) are all examples of this sad state of affairs.

Frankly in any of the European countries, Bush wouldn't get away with this shit.

As I said before: "History, you know that thing that if you don't remember comes back with an uzi and a migraine."

 

[Boxlicker101]

"Like the second world war, the war we are fighting now began with a ruthless, surprise attack on America." - George W Bush

You surprised me, George!

So, the bit about the Nazi invading Poland was rubbish?!

You are apparently accusing Bush of being America-centered, and he is, but you seem to be Eurocentric, as have others who have posted here. I think of World War Two as having its beginning in 1931 when Japan invaded China.

 

[Guest]

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I think of World War Two as having its beginning in 1931 when Japan invaded China.

Are you talking about the Sino-Jap war which the Japs won after or before (I forgot) Rosso-Jap war in which the Japs kicked Russian ass?

The Japs shouldn't have won either wars so that the idea of the Greater Asian Empire couldn't have entered their militery meatheads.

 

[Boxlicker101]

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Are you talking about the Sino-Jap war which the Japs won after or before (I forgot) Rosso-Jap war in which the Japs kicked Russian ass?

The Japs shouldn't have won either wars so that the idea of the Greater Asian Empire couldn't have entered their militery meatheads.

Japan won the first time because thewy were fighting a disunited enemy and because of their superior weaponry. They beat Russia because of Russian ineptness and long lines of supply and communication. However, I am not referring to the Sino-Japanese War in which Japan took Taiwan, nor an I referring to the Russo-Japanese War where Russia ceded thre Kurile Islands and the southern part of Sakhalin Island, nor am I referring to the 1910 Japanese conquest of Korea, nor am I referring to World War One, in which Japan took certain small German owned territories on the Chinese mainland. I am referring to the 1931 Japanese invasion of Manchuria, sometimes called the Mukden Incident.

This was the first aggression committed by an Axis nation, even though there was no Axis as yet, in the 1930's. Europe became fully involved in the war in 1939 and the Euro-centric view is that the war started then. The America-centric view is that the war started in 1941 with the bombing of Pearl Harbor and the invasion of the Philipines. I consider both views to be equally inaccurate.

 

[Guest]

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I am referring to the 1931 Japanese invasion of Manchuria, sometimes called the Mukden Incident.

Is it about where Japs blew up their own imperial railway in Manchuko (do not confuse with Manchester) and blamed the incident on Chinese terrorists thereby creating space for militery aggression? (It's kinda thing CIA and KGB later copied doing.)

I dunno. Was that as early as 1931?

Japs: they are way ahead of their times.

 

[pop_54]

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Is it about where Japs blew up their own imperial railway in Manchuko (do not confuse with Manchester) and blamed the incident on Chinese terrorists thereby creating space for militery aggression? (It's kinda thing CIA and KGB later copied doing.)

I dunno. Was that as early as 1931?

Japs: they are way ahead of their times.

Got the CIA and KGB beat on getting it right as well by the sound of it then CV... at least the japs trickery resulted in them winning a war they started.

 

[Colleen Thomas]

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Is it about where Japs blew up their own imperial railway in Manchuko (do not confuse with Manchester) and blamed the incident on Chinese terrorists thereby creating space for militery aggression? (It's kinda thing CIA and KGB later copied doing.)

I dunno. Was that as early as 1931?

Japs: they are way ahead of their times.

Boxlicker is absolutely correct. The Kuntanug army engineered an incident and invaded manchuria in 1931. For most historians world war II begins here. The reason is quite simply because this agression thr4eatened the trading rights of all the powers concerned. The American embargo of fuel oil, which would be Japan's reason for declaring war on the U.S. dates to this time as a punative/coercive measure. Further, The Japanese would launch a full scale invasion of china from thier puppet country of Manchuko.

Depending upon your point of reference you can set the begining of World War II anywhere you like after 1931 and prior to Dec. 7 1941. Interestingly some very forward thinkng contemporary historians set the begining of World War II on the day the Treay of Versalles was forced on the Germans. I believe it was Liddle-Hart who observed in a letter to an american correspondant;

"This isn't a peace treaty, it's an armistance for twenty years"

Those who don't remember the past are doomed to repreat it.

A corollary should be that those who DO remeber the past are oft doomed to see it repreated despite their warnings.

-Colly

 

[Guest]

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Got the CIA and KGB beat on getting it right as well by the sound of it then CV... at least the japs trickery resulted in them winning a war they started.

Yeah, I know. War on terror. What that's all about?

 

[Guest]

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For most historians

The winners, obviously.