History of Terrorism

large64

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Below was a post in the thread "wrong war in the wrong place". It was a reply to TheOlderGuy.

If you really loved your country, you'd be sick and tired of terrorists killing civilian and military americans, which started back in the 70's. I am sick and tired of people thinking they can just kill people becasue they have a different view and beliefs than that of the american people. Let alone civilians all over the world.



I say it's about time that the american solider has the authority to protect themselves and us.


11/4/79 - 80 Iranian students invaded the US embassy in Tehran, Iran and took 52 US citizens hostage. The abductors demanded that the US extradite the overthrown Shah of Iran, Reza Pahlavi, who was in the US for medical treatment, so that they could execute him. US refused demand. The hostages were held until 1/20/81.

4/18/83 - Hizballah suicide bomber with the support of Iran and Libya crashed a pickup truck full of explosives into the US embassy in Beirut, Lebanon. 63 people killed, of whom 17 were US citizens. Among the 17, 8 worked for the CIA. Imad Mugniyah is a top suspect.


10/23/83 Shiite suicide bombers from the Hizballah organization, with the support of the government of Iran, bombed barracks in Beirut, Lebanon where US Marines and French paratroopers were housed. 299 were killed, including 241 US Marines. Bin Laden's terrorism "teacher", Imad Mugniyah allegedly involved in the planning.


12/12/83 - Shiite suicide truck bomber working for the government of Iran crashed into the US embassy in Kuwait. Additional attacks on the French embassy, apartments of Raytheon Corporation employees, the control tower of the airport, and an oil refinery. Total of 5 people killed (6, including one of the the truck bombers) and 80 injured. (Kuwait later arrested and convicted 17 suspects. When Iraq conquered Kuwait 8/2/90, Iraq released the 17, who have never been recaptured.)


11/20/84 - Truck bomb exploded outside the Aukar, Lebanon annex of the US embassy in Beirut. 24 people killed, including 2 US military personnel. The US attributed the act to to the pro-Iran Hizballah organization. Imad Mugniyah is a suspect.


12/3/84 - Kuwait Airways Flight 221 from Kuwait to Pakistan was hijacked and diverted to Tehran. Hijackers demanded the release of 17 suspects arrested by Kuwait for the 12/12/83 bombing of the US embassy in Kuwait. When the demand was refused, the hijackers killed 2 passengers who were US government employees. Iranian troops entered the plane, arrested the hijackers, released the passengers. Iran later released the hijackers instead of putting them on trial. (Imad Mughniyah alleged to have been involved in the planning of the hijacking.)



6/14/85 - TWA Flight 847 from Athens to Rome was hijacked and diverted to Beirut, Lebanon. Hijackers demanded the release of 500 Shiites imprisoned by Israel and the the 17 suspects imprisoned in Kuwait for the 12/12/83 bombing of the US embassy in Kuwait. Hijackers killed U.S. Navy Diver Robert Stethem and threw his body out onto the airport tarmac.


10/7/85 - Hijackers working for the government of Libya raided the Italian cruise ship Achille Lauro near Egypt, took hostages, demanded the release of Palestinians imprisoned worldwide. Hijackers killed US citizen Leon Klinghoffer. Hijackers attempted to fly out of Egypt, US plane forced the plane down. Four suspects imprisoned in Italy.


4/5/86 - Terrorists working for the government of Libya bombed a disco in West Berlin, killing a Turkish woman and a US soldier, and injuring hundreds.


1/2/87 - Hostage negotiator Terry Waite, in Beirut, Lebanon to negotiate with Iranian Hizballah terrorists who were holding hostages, was made a hostage himself. (The United Nations sent another negotiator to meet with the Hizballah. Waite was released 11/91; later the others were released.)


12/23/88 - A bomb onboard 757 airliner Pan Am Flight 103 exploded over Lockerbie, Scotland, killing 270 (259 aboard and 11 town residents). US State Department said that intelligence linked the crime to both the government of Libya and the Palestinian Front for the Liberation of Palestine.


12/29/92 - A bomb exploded in a hotel in Aden, Yemen. The hotel had recently been used by US troops preparing to go to Somalia, but all the US troops had already departed. Two Austrian tourists were killed.


2/26/93 Car bomb exploded at 5:12 PM on the second level of parking basement in the World Trade Center, killed 7 and injured hundreds. The bombers also left behind a device designed to release cyanide gas to kill emergency response crews and area residents, but the fire destroyed the cyanide.

10/93 - 18 U.S. troops involved in the U.N. "humanitarian mission" were killed in Mogadishu, Somalia, when two US helicopters were shot down. The victims were among of 28,000 US troops in Somalia. US news media covered a mob celebrating the killings by dragging the bodies through the streets.

1995 - Foiled plot to bomb 12 U.S. airliners. FBI named Khalid Shaikh Mohammed as suspect.


3/20/95 Japanese terrorists of the Aum (or Aum Shinrikyo) cult, which believes that the end of the world is imminent, released Sarin nerve gas into Tokyo subway trains. 12 killed and approximately 5,000 to 6,000 injured.

4/19/95 Timothy McVeigh, of the US anti-government militia American Christian Patriots, caused truck bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City, killing 168 and injuring hundreds.

11/13/95 - Truck bombing of US National Guard training center in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. 7 people killed, including 5 US military personnel.


6/25/96 - Truck bombing of Khobar Towers in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia, a residence of US military personnel. 19 US military personnel were killed.


8/7/98 - A car bomb exploded outside US embassy in Nairobi, Kenya. A few hours later, explosion at US embassy in Dar es Salaam, capital of tanzania. In both attacks, 224 people were killed and almost 5,000 were injured.


10/12/00 - Suicide bombing of the U.S.S. Cole. The ship was refueling at the port city of Aden in Yemen when attacked. A boat filled with explosives got near the Cole and exploded, producing a large hole in the ship. 17 US sailors were killed and 37 were injured.

6/01 - Bombing of a disco in Tel Aviv, Israel killed 21 people, mostly teenagers.


9/11/01 - Hijacked American Airlines flight 11 from Boston to Los Angeles (92 aboard) turned south over Vermont and at 8:45 crashed into 1 World Trade Center (north tower, 110 stories) in New York City. Five alarm fire reported (call for 200 firefighters). Hijacked United Airlines flight 175 from Boston to Los Angeles (65 aboard) turned south over Vermont and at 9:03 AM crashed into 2 World Trade Center (south tower, 110 stories). 9:21 AM. Hijacked United Airlines Flight 93 from Newark to San Francisco (45 aboard) made u-turn over northwestern Pennsylvania toward Washington, D.C. and at 9:43 AM crashed into land in southwestern Pennsylvania, 86 miles southeast of Pittsburg. Hijacked American Airlines Flight 77 from Washington to Los Angeles (64 aboard) made 180-degree turn over West Virginia and at 9:45 AM crashed into the Pentagon in Washington, DC.


9/1/04- A group of 32 terrorists takes 1,200 hostages in the 48-hour siege at the school that ended with the deaths of at least 335 hostages, mostly children.


So if you would add these deaths to your calculation. it reached 1,000 a long time ago!!!
 
And terrorism was alive and well long before the 1970s...

ppman
 
Hey p_p, tell him about the IRA

ETA
Rote Armee Fraktion
Brigate Rosso

and all that crap

And ... as a Brit ... you probably considered those israelis terrorists back in ... um the 40s
 
I know terrorism was ongoing before the 70's. Perhaps i should have made the headline to the thread The history of terrorism as it pretains to the USA.

The thought behind the thread was to get people to realize that it has to stop. And that catering to terrorists hasn't worked.
 
large64 said:
I know terrorism was ongoing before the 70's. Perhaps i should have made the headline to the thread The history of terrorism as it pretains to the USA.

The thought behind the thread was to get people to realize that it has to stop. And that catering to terrorists hasn't worked.

Post Hoc Propter Hoc Fallacy.
 
large64 said:
I know terrorism was ongoing before the 70's. Perhaps i should have made the headline to the thread The history of terrorism as it pretains to the USA.

The thought behind the thread was to get people to realize that it has to stop. And that catering to terrorists hasn't worked.

I know what you meant. But terrorism doesn't stop by inviding Afghanistan, Iraq or any other given place. You'll just happen to see how more and more terrorists pop up.

Take Chechnya as an example. What started as a fight for freedom from russia turned into pure chaos, terrorism just to threaten the people. And then comes what those "islamic fundamentalists" tell thousands and thousands of innocent kids who had never seen anything but war, warcrimes, terror, antiterror, that it was all in the name of Allah or any other higher reason. Once you start, you'd probably never stop the violence.

The war in Chechnya is now 12 yrs old.
The war in Afghanistan and the Taliban regime lasted even longer
Go and look at a "map of terrorism" and you'll see how long those conflicts last to neverending devastations and senseless killing (like there was any sense in killing)
 
large64 said:
I know terrorism was ongoing before the 70's. Perhaps i should have made the headline to the thread The history of terrorism as it pretains to the USA.

The thought behind the thread was to get people to realize that it has to stop. And that catering to terrorists hasn't worked.

As it pertains to the USA should begin with the pre-Civil War No-Nothing Movement, post Civil War Klan and Quantrille's Raiders, continue through the anarchist assassination of President William McKinley, Jim Crow terrorism from the depression through the 1950's, the 500+ bombings in 1963 by the SNACIREMA's white supremecist movement, the Weatherman and UW-Madison bombing's of the 1960's, the Jewish Defense League bombings of Soviet offices in NYC, and continue at least on to 1974, when a crazed Jew named Samuel Byck invented the idea of crashing airliner's into buildings (He's now a character in a Stephen Sondhiem musical!).

Suspiciously incomplete history that concentrates only on foriegn and Muslim sources...
 
unculbact said:
Suspiciously incomplete history that concentrates only on foriegn and Muslim sources...

I've always enjoyed my propaganda with a side of cultural bias.

Goes down easier.
 
unculbact said:
As it pertains to the USA should begin with the pre-Civil War No-Nothing Movement, post Civil War Klan and Quantrille's Raiders, continue through the anarchist assassination of President William McKinley, Jim Crow terrorism from the depression through the 1950's, the 500+ bombings in 1963 by the SNACIREMA's white supremecist movement, the Weatherman and UW-Madison bombing's of the 1960's, the Jewish Defense League bombings of Soviet offices in NYC, and continue at least on to 1974, when a crazed Jew named Samuel Byck invented the idea of crashing airliner's into buildings (He's now a character in a Stephen Sondhiem musical!).

Suspiciously incomplete history that concentrates only on foriegn and Muslim sources...

OK then while we are at it. Why don't we go back to the boston tea party and the revolution for independence.
 
large64 said:
OK then while we are at it. Why don't we go back to the boston tea party and the revolution for independence.

That's sort of the point.

As long as there are human beings capable of independent thought, there will be 'acts of terror'. It's a given.
 
large64 said:
OK then while we are at it. Why don't we go back to the boston tea party and the revolution for independence.

Sounds good. At least 1/3 of the U.S. population at the time was forced to flee after the colonialist victory at Yorktown, either to Canada, the Caribbean, or a suprising number to Scotland. Those that stayed faced lynching (though the term wasn't used then, since Thomas Lynch hadn't been born yet), tarring and feathering, and other horrors.

Though the British oppression against French Canadians before the revolution is probably a better place to start...
 
large64 said:
OK then while we are at it. Why don't we go back to the boston tea party and the revolution for independence.

Good idea.

Now THAT was some good terrorism.
 
large64 said:
OK then while we are at it. Why don't we go back to the boston tea party and the revolution for independence.

How about this conundrum?

US officials were in conferences not too long ago with Chechen Seperatists discussing their cause. Moscow denounces their actions as pure terrorism. The theory that they are fighting for freedom and independence also has great validation.

Putin vows to go wherever the Seperatists are and get them. Bush has vowed to take action against states that harbor terrorists.

Do we invade Russia to fight terrorism while Russian forces strike within the US to 'neutralize' Seperatists?
 
Calamity Jane said:
That's sort of the point.

As long as there are human beings capable of independent thought, there will be 'acts of terror'. It's a given.

I see it starting about the time we had 2 cavemen and 1 cavewoman.
 
ruminator said:
How about this conundrum?

US officials were in conferences not too long ago with Chechen Seperatists discussing their cause. Moscow denounces their actions as pure terrorism. The theory that they are fighting for freedom and independence also has great validation.

Putin vows to go wherever the Seperatists are and get them. Bush has vowed to take action against states that harbor terrorists.

Do we invade Russia to fight terrorism while Russian forces strike within the US to 'neutralize' Seperatists?

It's the old story that the US doesn't really understand what it's getting into half the time. The Russian foreign minister said today that America sees terrorists in two different ways...

Good terrorists and bad terrorists depending on how they affect the US.

Anyway Putin's already told Bush to butt out over this one.

Let's see if Bush does...

ppman
 
large64 said:


The thought behind the thread was to get people to realize that it has to stop.

I was a firm proponent of terrorism and the killing of innocent people right up until I read this thread. Thanks.
 
Problem Child said:
I was a firm proponent of terrorism and the killing of innocent people right up until I read this thread. Thanks.
If I didn't already think you were fucking hilarious, lines like this would convince me all over again.

And you need to check your PMs, damnit.
 
Hey, if we murder innocents it's ok, we just say it was an accident. The United States is pure and unblemished. Cough!

Neitheris anybody else, we all have blood on our hands to one degree or another. (That is to say the nations of the world do, not you kind individual Litizens)
 
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