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HisArpy the nazi sympathizer.

cowslinger64 said:
https://www.buzzfeed.com/adamserwer/how-mens-rights-leader-paul-elam-turned-being-a-deadbeat-dad

How Men's Rights Leader Paul Elam Turned Being A Deadbeat Dad Into A Moneymaking Movement
Paul Elam has become the face of the modern men’s rights movement by rallying against false rape accusations and divorce courts that favor mothers. But exclusive BuzzFeed News interviews with his estranged daughter and ex-wife show that his pet causes are very, very personal.


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Elam’s takes on gender are often attractive to men dealing with the painful aftermath of divorces, custody battles, and rejection. He preaches the gospel that men’s failures and disappointments are not due to personal shortcomings or lapsed responsibility, but rather institutionalized feminism and a family court system rigged against dutiful fathers, as well as a world gripped by “misandry,” or the hatred of men.


Are you the new LJ?
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You try so hard. And yet you fail so much. I'm beginning to wonder if you do it intentionally.

Anyway, back to the discussion.

The reasons why Elam made up the label, and who it's used by, is irrelevant to the label itself. It's a label. Just like "commie pinko bastard" is a label. It's used to put someone into an identified position.

In this case it was used to illustrate that there are some here who are not leaders though they style themselves to be such. Nor are they Betas, though they deny such a lowly role. And, they're certainly not Omegas because they are betterer than the common masses.

Hence, they are outside the heirarchy. Which means they are Zeta bitches.

Candi, the BDSM community says they don't use labels, and they try very hard to deny labels, but the fact is they do. BDSM is itself a label. As is Dom, Sub, LBGTQ and so on. It's all about labels.

And no one says you can't identify as Zeta. Fuck 'em (or not :D ) if they don't understand because they're clueless.
 
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HisArpy said:
You try so hard. And yet you fail so much. I'm beginning to wonder if you do it intentionally.

Anyway, back to the discussion.

The reasons why Elam made up the label, and who it's used by, is irrelevant to the label itself. It's a label. Just like "commie pinko bastard" is a label. It's used to put someone into an identified position.

In this case it was used to illustrate that there are some here who are not leaders though they style themselves to be such. Nor are they Betas, though they deny such a lowly role. And, they're certainly not Omegas because they are betterer than the common masses.

Hence, they are outside the heirarchy. Which means they are Zeta bitches.

Candi, the BDSM community says they don't use labels, and they try very hard to deny labels, but the fact is they do. BDSM is itself a label. As is Dom, Sub, LBGTQ and so on. It's all about labels.

And no one says you can't identify as Zeta. Fuck 'em (or not :D ) if they don't understand because they're clueless.
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...dude... the... the BDSM community uses the hell out of labels. I don't know who told you that but we... we need those?

If we don't use those I might wind up with another power bottom and all we can do is sit around whining about not having a dom.

Bitch we wear collars with the labels on them. The fuck are you talking about?

And I don't know if I'm a zeta or omega because you're not giving me a very clear picture but also like... I'm never gonna be a part of that he-man-woman-hating-incel community either way so it's never gonna matter. Because like... no one is gonna care about those labels, they're just gonna use the umbrella term "loser".

Yhall need to go back and reread Brave New World because you've let yourself get all mixed up.

Edit: I reread the thread and realized that I may have caused this confusion, not you. I may be the person I'm bitching at here.

I meant that ABO is a specific kink, and that the bdsm community at large doesn't use those labels, just the people with that specific kink. You can be a sub and not an omega, for example, and it's way more common to just be a sub, so the more common label is gonna be sub, not omega.

This is doubly true for alpha, because alpha-male has a negative connotation outside of that specific kink and most people are not gonna self-identify as an "alpha". They're just gonna say "Dom". Finding an alpha dom is a fucking unicorn and if yhall know any then that'd be great because there's about 3 on the whole planet that are upfront about it and we've had to pretty much share them for the past decade. Nobody is like this, for some reason.

But a guy can dream... and read a shitton of hentai. And make his boyfriend pretend.
 
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I'm gonna take a second to define these labels as I use them, and as I've heard others use them because I'm procrastinating and pretending to work on freelance shit.

Alpha Male - Mostly used derogatorily to mean someone who thinks they're hot-shit. Synonymous with "Dudebro". In ABO fanfic/role-play, the top tier of society, always a dom. Capable of subduing and fucking other men with relative ease. Dick like a tower- sometimes with a knot because it's a fantasy and we have no reason to give a fuck at this point.

Beat Male - A switch, more or less. Doesn't really attract a lot of attention to himself. A normal dude. Not really a derogatory or complimentary term. This is kinda the default.

Omega Male - Sometimes used as a derogatory term, but pretty much only during humiliation play. If you see someone and call him an omega, it's usually more for the shit I'll go into in a minute. In ABO fic/play, the "bottom" tier of society, who is often uncontrollably horny and submissive. Usually smaller and cuter, kinda fey, kinda fem, doesn't need to scout for dick like a beta because he projects an aura, sometimes with pheromones and sometimes with just general hotness, that will attract dick to him, both beta and alpha, with little to no effort- or I mean, like he makes it LOOK effortless. Sometimes has an actual uncontrollable heat cycle that will light up the fucking room. An alpha will sometimes mark an omega as his partner, because this pull is so strong, to keep others away from him.

We're... we're definitely on two different pages here.

Here's a guide from the wiki

Here's one of those cute little quizzes.
 
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Look, I shouldn't have infodumped about that, I'm just saying that I'm pissed to find out that he's using really similar labels from such a shitty fucking group.

I don't like the association.

Would you?

Edit: Over here feelin like a Tumblr cartographer. I didn't know what MAP meant either, cartographers of tumblr, I'm so sorry you got caught in the shitty algorithm but thanks for taking that one for the team because we do need to get those folks off the internet.
 
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CandiCame said:
...dude... the... the BDSM community uses the hell out of labels. I don't know who told you that but we... we need those?

If we don't use those I might wind up with another power bottom and all we can do is sit around whining about not having a dom.

Bitch we wear collars with the labels on them. The fuck are you talking about?

And I don't know if I'm a zeta or omega because you're not giving me a very clear picture but also like... I'm never gonna be a part of that he-man-woman-hating-incel community either way so it's never gonna matter. Because like... no one is gonna care about those labels, they're just gonna use the umbrella term "loser".

Yhall need to go back and reread Brave New World because you've let yourself get all mixed up.

Edit: I reread the thread and realized that I may have caused this confusion, not you. I may be the person I'm bitching at here.

I meant that ABO is a specific kink, and that the bdsm community at large doesn't use those labels, just the people with that specific kink. You can be a sub and not an omega, for example, and it's way more common to just be a sub, so the more common label is gonna be sub, not omega.

This is doubly true for alpha, because alpha-male has a negative connotation outside of that specific kink and most people are not gonna self-identify as an "alpha". They're just gonna say "Dom". Finding an alpha dom is a fucking unicorn and if yhall know any then that'd be great because there's about 3 on the whole planet that are upfront about it and we've had to pretty much share them for the past decade. Nobody is like this, for some reason.

But a guy can dream... and read a shitton of hentai. And make his boyfriend pretend.
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I think you're trying to separate the ABO crowd from everyone else. But, people in general, aren't ABO only.

There are A's, B's and O's, and then, everyone who doesn't identify as A,B, or O. Elam called them Z's because of their behavior pattern wasn't A,B, or O.

Then the party bros came along and decided that Elam's research into whiny divorced men was all that Z stood for. They did it because they didn't understand the point behind the label.

Labels have meaning. Those in the BDSM community who decry the use of labels are merely attempting to elevate themselves to the top of a mystic mountain of psycho-babble. Those who laugh at the people behind the labels also try to do the same, but with insufficient mental resources to make the leap from fuckup to guru.

I merely stuck the label where I thought it appropriate.
 
HisArpy said:
I think you're trying to separate the ABO crowd from everyone else. But, people in general, aren't ABO only.

There are A's, B's and O's, and then, everyone who doesn't identify as A,B, or O. Elam called them Z's because of their behavior pattern wasn't A,B, or O.

Then the party bros came along and decided that Elam's research into whiny divorced men was all that Z stood for. They did it because they didn't understand the point behind the label.

Labels have meaning. Those in the BDSM community who decry the use of labels are merely attempting to elevate themselves to the top of a mystic mountain of psycho-babble. Those who laugh at the people behind the labels also try to do the same, but with insufficient mental resources to make the leap from fuckup to guru.

I merely stuck the label where I thought it appropriate.
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Oh my god, again, that's not what I meant. I just meant that they didn't use ABO labels, because not everyone who is into BDSM is into ABO. ABO is a small part of the BDSM community, not the whole thing. People who don't have that kink don't use those labels.

Not everyone is ABO, but everyone in BDSM uses labels. I don't know how you'd even... like I don't know how you'd do that. Even in normal sex it comes up if it's a sub because you might go into subspace, so you bring it up, you label yourself, even outside the community.

But you DON'T use a label that doesn't apply to you. Like again, not all subs are omegas. Not all doms are alphas. I think all switches might be betas but I honestly don't know a lot of people like that so I have no frame of reference. Beta really is just "default man setting", so I think, like logically... point is- it's not they don't use those labels because they're decrying the concept of labels, they don't use labels because that label, in particular, that specific label, does not apply to them.

And you are bringing these things up BECAUSE you are gonna fuck someone. So if you used a label that you don't have, then you are telling a lie for no reason. And in a bdsm relationship, (or any relationship really) that's a terrible way to start out.
 
Hisrapey has entered queefy levels of retarded stupidity. Fuckin dumb nazi son of a bitch.
 
I read that as "bdsm can be more than Dom/sub" rather than an argument against labels in the bdsm community.
 
HisArpy said:
http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=1360492
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This posts adds MORE labels, not less. They're talking about how "bottom/top" is a different labeling system than "sub/dom". Because dom bottoms and sub tops are a thing.

They were talking about how some people didn't realize that and were using the terms interchangeably. Top and bottom are about position preference, but she's addressing the idea that people were using them for role preference. And those are two different things that have two different labels.

Also, in play even bottom subs top all the time when we play together, for the show aspect. That doesn't make you a top or a dom.
 
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