Hillary, Progressive or....?

[AlwaysHungry]

Some sobering thoughts on the fate of the Democratic Party.

 

[phrodeau]

Some sobering thoughts on the fate of the Democratic Party.

It's as if conservative pundits just can't make up their minds, but it's actually that conservative pundits will say anything in print, and their audience will buy it.

 

[AlwaysHungry]

As a rule, it's better to actually read the linked article before commenting.

 

[phrodeau]

As a rule, it's better to actually read the linked article before commenting.

I did. It's arguing that the Clintons are warmongers, and by extension, all Democrats. You can take from that an assumption that the best way to avoid future armed conflicts is to elect Donald Trump.

It's the exact same thing George W. Bush tried when he called himself the Peace President in the 2004 campaign.

 

[JackLuis]

I did. It's arguing that the Clintons are warmongers, and by extension, all Democrats. You can take from that an assumption that the best way to avoid future armed conflicts is to elect Donald Trump.

It's the exact same thing George W. Bush tried when he called himself the Peace President in the 2004 campaign.

Preceded by Milhouse being the peace with honor president in '68. You can not trust campaign promises at all.

Drumpf and Clinton will lie their asses off to get to the White House, and then bomb the shit out of anyone who rejects American hegemony.

I think the assumption to take away form the cited article is never trust any politian even Bernie unless he is watched very closely by a skeptical press. Of course we don't have that anymore so we are on our own to keep Hillary honest.

 

[sr71plt]

Drumpf and Clinton will lie their asses off to get to the White House, and then bomb the shit out of anyone who rejects American hegemony.

The difficulty for Clinton in the primary stage is that she won't lie her ass off just to get into the White House. Both Obama and Sanders, neophytes to actually getting proposals enacted, weren't shy about promising pie-in-sky benefits that made the naive, like you, all starry eyed. It worked for Obama and he delivered on practically none of them. And it came pretty close to working for Sanders who, in nine years in the Senate hadn't even sponsored any bills on what he's now promising yet alone delivered any enacting legislation. Clinton's problem is that she remained more grounded in what was possible in her campaigns. Doesn't appeal to shallow political thinkers like you, though.

 

[JackLuis]

The difficulty for Clinton in the primary stage is that she won't lie her ass off just to get into the White House. Both Obama and Sanders, neophytes to actually getting proposals enacted, weren't shy about promising pie-in-sky benefits that made the naive, like you, all starry eyed. It worked for Obama and he delivered on practically none of them. And it came pretty close to working for Sanders who, in nine years in the Senate hadn't even sponsored any bills on what he's now promising yet alone delivered any enacting legislation. Clinton's problem is that she remained more grounded in what was possible in her campaigns. Doesn't appeal to shallow political thinkers like you, though.

Well so far the things that got people excited about Hillary are, 1, The Establishment hoping for more Cintonesque feather bedding and 2, her adoption of Bernie's agenda to excite the masses. Her incrementalism just wasn't working.

So now you don't like Obama? I'll bet you voted for him, because you are a DEMOCRAT, right?

 

[BotanyBoy]

The difficulty for Clinton in the primary stage is that she won't lie her ass off just to get into the White House.

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[sr71plt]

Well so far the things that got people excited about Hillary are, 1, The Establishment hoping for more Cintonesque feather bedding and 2, her adoption of Bernie's agenda to excite the masses. Her incrementalism just wasn't working.

So now you don't like Obama? I'll bet you voted for him, because you are a DEMOCRAT, right?

Yes, I voted for him. Didn't mind either McCain or Romney, though. Many in my family--some elected politicians--are/were Republican. So, what's it to you?

 

[AlwaysHungry]

During my lifetime, the U.S. has laid waste to one nation after another, starting with Vietnam and Cambodia, and then moving on to (I'll just cover the highlights) Panama, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Ukraine, Yemen. Our nation, once loved and admired by the world, is now feared and despised. The wave of desperate refugees struggling to get to Europe from Syria, Libya, and other countries in the region is our doing.

Many Americans discount the importance of this. They say to themselves, well, doesn't everybody do it? (No, they do not.) Haven't we always done it? (No, we haven't.) Aren't we doing it for honorable reasons? (Yeah, right. Like when Hitler annexed the Sudetenland to protect the human rights of ethnic Germans.) Shouldn't we do unto others, before they do unto us? (Well, that's self-fulfilling prophecy. If you invade someone's country, bomb civilians, or try to manipulate their elections, its possible that they may hold a grudge.)

And because Americans think that what we do overseas is of little consequence, most of the talk you hear at election time is about domestic social issues, identity politics, the restroom crisis, and so on. I for one am tired of having elected officials carry out war crimes in my name, regardless of how well-spoken and stylish they may be.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I for one am tired of having elected officials carry out war crimes in my name.

Well I got bad news for ya....(D)'s have nominated arguably one of the bigger warmongers in American politics.

Trumps attempt at economic warfare might manifest into real warfare.

But if Clinton takes office I gay-ron-tee the war machine will be cranked back up to Bush levels.

 

[JackLuis]

Yes, I voted for him. Didn't mind either McCain or Romney, though. Many in my family--some elected politicians--are/were Republican. So, what's it to you?

Your vote means little to me actually, perhaps even less than your opinions.

‘Delete your account’: Clinton and Trump trade snipes on Twitter

The U.S. presidential election battle between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump has barely begun but their Twitter war is on.

After receiving President Barack Obama’s endorsement on Thursday to succeed him in the White House, Clinton, who this week clinched the Democratic nomination for the Nov. 8 election, tweeted she was honored to have his support and “fired up and ready to go.”

Trump, who has made extensive use of Twitter during his insurgent Republican presidential campaign, took the opportunity to tweet back: “Obama just endorsed Crooked Hillary. He wants four more years of Obama—but nobody else does!”

Clinton’s account quickly responded: “Delete your account,” in a tweet to her 6.7 million Twitter followers.

Within minutes, the phrase, a popular form of online dismissal, became Clinton’s most popular tweet ever, with more than 194,000 retweets and 213,000 likes.

Prominent Republicans rushed to their presumptive nominee’s aid, taking thinly veiled shots at Clinton’s use of a private email server while secretary of state.

“.@HillaryClinton If anyone knows how to use a delete key, it’s you,” tweeted Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus.

This is how our Presidential candidates will battle with Tweets and twitterings, like angry sparrows fighting over a french fry.

 

[phrodeau]

I bet all twenty of Reince's Twitter followers got a kick out of that one.

 

[sr71plt]

Your vote means little to me actually, perhaps even less than your opinions.

Then you might ask yourself why you asked (why to continue to back bite me, of course). I haven't asked you who you're voting for or have voted for in the past--that's far better evidence than yours that I don't give a shit who you are voting for or why. I can just be sure that you'll be naive and starry eyed when you do it.

 

[JackLuis]

Then you might ask yourself why you asked (why to continue to back bite me, of course). I haven't asked you who you're voting for or have voted for in the past--that's far better evidence than yours that I don't give a shit who you are voting for or why. I can just be sure that you'll be naive and starry eyed when you do it.

I poke you because you are a representative of the Beltway mindset that everyone who lives west of the Blue Ridge are idiots who can't see the that your opinions are superior to theirs, because you have hobnobbed with the Elite, so you are special. This despite the fact that most of the inner Beltway denizens are drones filing papers, going to lunch with decision makers who are also drones doing what they are told by higher drones who are in lock step with the even higher class drones who are controlled by the 'contributors'.

Just because our opinions are different pilot, doesn't mean either of us is any better or worse than the other. I am cynical about the government because I have reason to be. I have closely observed the government for fifty years and for almost thirty made my money selling to the government, including your precious CIA.

I suggest you read Eric Hoffer's "The True Believer," if you haven't. "The Arrogance of Power" by J.W. Fulbright is also a great book that describes the problem we create by re-electing Shillary's instead of thinking, feeling people of principle.

 

[sr71plt]

And I poke you because you are a backbiter and argument starter (a al Trysail--almost always with some biased media report quote).

 

[AlwaysHungry]

Your vote means little to me actually, perhaps even less than your opinions.

‘Delete your account’: Clinton and Trump trade snipes on Twitter



This is how our Presidential candidates will battle with Tweets and twitterings, like angry sparrows fighting over a french fry.

Elegantly put.

 

[JackLuis]

And I poke you because you are a backbiter and argument starter (a al Trysail--almost always with some biased media report quote).

Backbiter infers that I wish to hurt you, when I am just debating the issues. Do you not think that free debate is the best way to explore the reality of life's issues? I seldom take your jibs personally because I am not an insecure sniveling toady boot licker, like the Donald.

I believe all media is biased, or it is bland pablum beneath the contempt of a thinking person. But Trysail, really? That hurts more than I can bare, good night sir!

 

[sr71plt]

Argue with yourself. I'm not interested.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Discussion isn't SR's style....

He likes to ascribe some emotional shit, maybe call you some names and then look down his nose at you while talks about how good his shit smells.

No wonder he's such a Hillary fan LOL

 

[JackLuis]

An interesting poll.
The Young Turks decided to do a survey of their viewers, who are Bernie Bros admittedly, as to will they vote for HRC or not.

They tabulated over 20,000 'opinions', not a scientific poll as they admit. However they shared the results after one day.

Will vote for Hillary--- 17%

NEVER Hillary --- 81%

Are you listening Supers?

 

[JackLuis]

ABC: Newly Released Emails Show Unqualified Clinton Foundation Donor Appointed to Sensitive Intelligence Board

"A major donor to the Clinton Foundation was put onto a sensitive government security advisory board, even though he had no known experience in the area," according to reporting from ABC News regarding the latest batch of Hillary Clinton's emails released. ABC also reports that after they asked questions, they were threatened and stalled. The very next day, the man resigned from the board.

"Members of State Department's International Security Advisory Board advise the country's most prominent figures on American nuclear strategy -- all have top secret security clearances. But in 2011, the Clinton State Dept. also added this man: Rajiv Fernando, a wealthy Chicago commodoties broker with no known connections to the national security world. What he was known for... was raising dollars for Democratic campaigns. He gave as much as $250,000 to the Clinton Foundation," ABC's Brian Ross reported Friday morning.

In 2012, ABC News approached Fernando at the Democratic convention -- Fernando became upset and asked how they knew who he was. "he became upset and we were threatened with arrest," Ross reported.

HRC is really qualified to run the USA, she has all kinds of friends who want to help too.

 

[JackLuis]

Election Fraud?

I ask you would Hillary stoop to such Un-American methods to achieve Her Destiny?

 

[underguy1]

Election Fraud?

I ask you would Hillary stoop to such Un-American methods to achieve Her Destiny?

Some of the most blatant electoral fraud in history in these primaries. And the media not only won't report it, they're in on it.

But it will rebound on the Dems in the general.

 

[AlwaysHungry]

This morning I scratched my head in amazement, as I do every time I see a car with some sort of "world peace" bumper sticker next to one expressing support for the woman who directed the destruction of an entire nation, Libya, and then gloated obscenely about it on national TV.