Hillary, Progressive or....?

[JackLuis]

I thought we ought to have a thread on Hillary Clinton's candidacy. Somewhere pilot can advance his cause. Somewhere her detractors can post their questions on her integrity, honesty, and actual progressive policies.

I'll start.

Feminist actress Gaby Hoffman explains why she’s voting for Bernie – despite his ‘lovely’ penis

Gaby Hoffman, an actress perhaps best known for her roles in Girls and Transparent, weighed in Thursday morning on her sentiments about supporting Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) in his bid for the White House, in a video posted by Yahoo News.

Hoffman pointed out to host Katie Couric that she has deep gratitude for feminists that came before her and “paved the way” for her to “not have had to struggle to have the same opportunities at all.”

But Hoffman also said she didn’t feel obligated to vote for Sanders’ rival, Hillary Clinton, just because she is a woman. She instead supports Sanders because of his “vision, philosophy, integrity, record, and ability to energize this country. Not because he has a penis. I’m sure it’s a lovely one. But I don’t care that he does.”

“I hope that when we do have our first woman president, she will be a beacon of integrity,” she said. “And to me, Bernie Sanders is that.”

 

[JackLuis]

Congressional Black Caucus to endorse Hillary Clinton’s White House bid

Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton was endorsed by the Congressional Black Caucus on Thursday, a much-needed boost to her campaign as it competes for the important black voting bloc in South Carolina’s primary this month.

Clinton and her husband, former President Bill Clinton, have built strong ties to the African-American community over the past decades.

Several lawmakers cited Clinton’s long history of not only working on issues important to black Americans, but on getting Democrats elected and advancing the party’s agenda.

“Mrs Clinton has demonstrated her leadership skills. She has labored in various capacities all of her adult life and now she is ready to serve our country by occupying the highest office in our country,” said U.S. Representative G.K. Butterfield.

Civil rights hero John Lewis burns Bernie: In all my years of activism ‘I never saw him, never met him’

Legendary civil rights activist and U.S. Rep. John Lewis (D-GA) challenged the civil rights record of Democratic candidate, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) by saying Thursday he had never seen Sanders in the course of his many years working for racial justice.

Lewis was addressing the Congressional Black Caucus, which endorsed Sanders’ rival, Hillary Clinton.

Lewis said of Sanders, “I never saw him, I never met him. I was a chair of the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee for three years from 1963 to 1966. I was involved in the sit-ins, the Freedom Ride, the March on Washington, the march from Selma to Montgomery, and directed the Voter Education Project for six years. But I met Hillary Clinton. I met President Clinton.

 

[Setanta84]

The CBC PAC, not the CBC itself--which has members who have endorsed Sanders on it--"endorsed" Clinton.

In both Iowa and New Hampshire, she basically only got people who were old, white, and very well-to-do or rich to vote for her. Everybody else voted for Sanders and the idea that minorities will rally to her when she moves South is kind of a fantasy.

Exhibit A: Nevada. Clinton's campaign is now framing Nevada--which has a diverse, heavily Latino population--in the way it started framing New Hampshire when her internals started to go dismal there.

 

[RUlookingup]

Congressional Black Caucus to endorse Hillary Clinton’s White House bid



Civil rights hero John Lewis burns Bernie: In all my years of activism ‘I never saw him, never met him’

While we are remembering things, why don't we ask the fellow to John's left, Charlie Rangel, about his involvement in the cover-up of the Murder in the Mosque.

 

[Five_Inch_Heels]

Hillary, Progressive or....?


.... worthless shitfaced dog.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Hillary is a fucking Republican....Just like Obama.

I'd rather have Trump...fuck even Cruz is better than her, at least he's up front about what a shit bag he is.

 

[Five_Inch_Heels]

I have another job she'd be perfect for though (besides cleaning my toilets).

Have Branson launch her and Trump into deep space as Ambassadors of Earth. At least they'd be out of the way for a few thousand years.

 

[Hypoxia]

I consider myself a lifelong rad-lib but a realistic one. I expect no wins. The last winning candidate I voted for was in 1976. I have never voted for a Clinton or their associates. I *did* work for Jerry Brown's campaign in 1992 -- I've voted for Jerry in every race he's ever run except when he mayored Oakland.

But I have no use for corporatists. And Obama, Hillary, the mainstream GOPs, the usual suspects -- they are all corporate whores. Tromp is a corporate pimp; close enough.

The basic issue: monstrous financial crimes were committed a decade ago and have not been punished. The perpetrators of the Great Recession were bailed out, rewarded, free given zillions of taxpayer bucks. ALL the mainstreamers are implicated. ALL are whores.

Bernie rakes in individual donations. The shitload he raised right after New Hampshire averaged about US$35 each -- and these contributors are nowhere near their legal limits, and so can donate again and again and again... Tromp depends on playing the media for free publicity. Carson was never running, just promoting his books. The rest need massive corporate-PAC cash infusions. They are all owned.

Hillary is 'progressive' like Bill was -- in appearance, not action, and distinguishable from formal GOPs by not being quite as fucktard barbaric. Hillary was a Goldwater Republican in her early days. (So was I but I had only just sprouted pubic hairs then. Young+dumb.) We probably both sang the same jingle (tune, Old MacDonald)

...Lyndon Johnson won't be back
A-U-H-2-O​

But we were wrong.

Anyway, all the candidates have baggage, and Hillary's is a lot heavier and nastier than Bernie's AFAIK. But I'm committed to nobody. The California primary is four months away. The world or at least the domestic political landscape could change drastically by then.

BTW Hillary did not win the popular vote in the Iowa caucus. Her apparatchiks pulled the same sort of cheat as the Supes did in 2000. Can you say dirty rotten scoundrels?

 

[JackLuis]

Hillary Clinton’s Leftward Shift on Climate Change

Hillz is shifting left as Bernie keeps up the pressure. Instead of smiling and nodding at Greenies, now she has to commit herself to progressive issues. How much is she willing to prostitute her real core values to be President? How many lies will she tell about her 'progressive' agenda and renigg on if/when she's president?

In July, the climate grassroots group 350 Action asked Hillary Clinton at a campaign stop in New Hampshire for her position on banning fossil fuel development on public lands. Clinton gave what she deemed a "responsible answer" that she wouldn't accept a ban until we get "the alternatives in place." I asked her campaign chair John Podesta the same question in October, and he only suggested a willingness to use "policy levers" to affect fossil fuel production.

Now, Clinton is ready to take a more definitive stand on limiting fossil fuel extraction on federal lands—which has emerged as a top priority for climate organizers after their victory against the Keystone XL pipeline. Griffin Sinclair-Wingate, a 350 Action organizer, approached Clinton after the New Hampshire debate on Thursday night and asked her, "Would you ban extraction on public lands?"

"Yeah, that's a done deal," Clinton said, as though her position were obvious. Afterward, she told another 350 activist that she agrees with "where the president is moving. No future extraction." Adam Greenberg asked her in a third video on Friday while campaigning in New Hampshire, "Would you end all oil, coal, and gas leases on federal lands?" Clinton said, "I want to impose a moratorium…because there are legal issues you have to go through, you know all of that, but I would support a moratorium."

 

[JackLuis]

Sorry, Hillary Clinton, Nevada Is Actually a Diverse State

Stinging from its lopsided defeat in New Hampshire and bracing for a tougher-than-expected primary fight against Bernie Sanders, the Hillary Clinton campaign has sought to lower expectations for the next contest, this Saturday's Nevada caucuses. To do so, the campaign has been subtly pushing a curious line: Don't read too much into the results of the Nevada caucuses because the state is disproportionately white, just like New Hampshire and Iowa.

As I explained last week, Nevada should be a firewall state for Clinton, and that's how the Clinton campaign long painted it. But last Tuesday, campaign spokesman Brian Fallon tried to dash those impressions during an appearance on MSNBC. As recounted by BuzzFeed's Ruby Cramer, Fallon tried to suggest that Sanders had an edge in the caucuses thanks to the makeup of the state.

It's possible that Nevada's minority populations won't show up to caucus in large numbers. But that doesn't seem too likely, at least based on the 2008 caucuses, when 35 percent of caucus voters were racial or ethnic minorities, according to exit polls. The state's minority population has only grown since 2008, so there's little reason to expect the caucus-going population to look that much whiter than in 2008.

With Sanders having captured the momentum after his big New Hampshire win, Clinton really may have a more difficult time in Nevada than she anticipated. But she can't blame it on demographics.

Mahhaa!

 

[merryohmd]

I'm impressed. This is the 12th post in this thread and so far not one nasty comment to each other, no questioning another's intelligence, nor mention of Fox News. This is so refreshing. A quick read of political comments on any MSN news posting will reveal the huge problem in this country. No one will have a civil conversation or consider another persons opinion.

For me, Mrs. Clinton is a non-starter. Sorry, former-madam Secretary but you should have questioned information in emails that looked like it might have been classified, as any of us who have ever held clearances were trained to do. Not now try to hide behind "they were not marked" when I saw them and dumped classified data into cyber-land. Very poor judgement; not the type of person I want as my President.

Still undecided on who from this crew will get my vote, but it will not be HRC.

 

[phrodeau]

I'm impressed. This is the 12th post in this thread and so far not one nasty comment to each other, no questioning another's intelligence, nor mention of Fox News. This is so refreshing. A quick read of political comments on any MSN news posting will reveal the huge problem in this country. No one will have a civil conversation or consider another persons opinion.

For me, Mrs. Clinton is a non-starter. Sorry, former-madam Secretary but you should have questioned information in emails that looked like it might have been classified, as any of us who have ever held clearances were trained to do. Not now try to hide behind "they were not marked" when I saw them and dumped classified data into cyber-land. Very poor judgement; not the type of person I want as my President.

Still undecided on who from this crew will get my vote, but it will not be HRC.

Meanwhile, in the real world...

http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/17/politics/marco-rubio-waterboard-hillary-clinton-joke/index.html

 

[NOIRTRASH]

I consider myself a lifelong rad-lib but a realistic one. I expect no wins. The last winning candidate I voted for was in 1976. I have never voted for a Clinton or their associates. I *did* work for Jerry Brown's campaign in 1992 -- I've voted for Jerry in every race he's ever run except when he mayored Oakland.

But I have no use for corporatists. And Obama, Hillary, the mainstream GOPs, the usual suspects -- they are all corporate whores. Tromp is a corporate pimp; close enough.

The basic issue: monstrous financial crimes were committed a decade ago and have not been punished. The perpetrators of the Great Recession were bailed out, rewarded, free given zillions of taxpayer bucks. ALL the mainstreamers are implicated. ALL are whores.

Bernie rakes in individual donations. The shitload he raised right after New Hampshire averaged about US$35 each -- and these contributors are nowhere near their legal limits, and so can donate again and again and again... Tromp depends on playing the media for free publicity. Carson was never running, just promoting his books. The rest need massive corporate-PAC cash infusions. They are all owned.

Hillary is 'progressive' like Bill was -- in appearance, not action, and distinguishable from formal GOPs by not being quite as fucktard barbaric. Hillary was a Goldwater Republican in her early days. (So was I but I had only just sprouted pubic hairs then. Young+dumb.) We probably both sang the same jingle (tune, Old MacDonald)

...Lyndon Johnson won't be back
A-U-H-2-O​

But we were wrong.

Anyway, all the candidates have baggage, and Hillary's is a lot heavier and nastier than Bernie's AFAIK. But I'm committed to nobody. The California primary is four months away. The world or at least the domestic political landscape could change drastically by then.

BTW Hillary did not win the popular vote in the Iowa caucus. Her apparatchiks pulled the same sort of cheat as the Supes did in 2000. Can you say dirty rotten scoundrels?

Youre a barnacle.

Hillary was on the WALMART Board. She has around 300 million in the bank. And you act like she's homeless. Put her and Trump and Obama and Bush in a bag, shake it, empty it, and you cant spot her in the pile of elites.

 

[Sean Renaud]

If you can't tell those three elites apart it's because you're blind deaf and dumb. Hillary was born fairly well off but far from "elite" and Obama is pretty much the American Dream personified.

 

[dan_c00000]

Hillary was on the WALMART Board. She has around 300 million in the bank. And you act like she's homeless. Put her and Trump and Obama and Bush in a bag, shake it, empty it, and you cant spot her in the pile of elites.

Sure, if you did that one would be black, one a woman, and the third would be a yam with no qualifications to mop my floors much less run an entire country.

 

[dan_c00000]

Nevada:

I just saw on RealClearPolitics that Hillary and Bernie are tied in Nevada. I'll say this for the socialist, wherever he goes, he closes the gap on Hillary.

It looks like South Carolina is narrowing, and Bernie just came out with an ad featuring the daughter of Eric Garner, and it's....powerful.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Syln8IkOIqc&feature=youtu.be

It's not looking good for Hillary.

Remember these primaries are a very small percent of the voting population. In a lot of states you need to declare a party in order to vote in them.

 

[JackLuis]

Nevada caucus
Last updated Feb 20, 2016 at 7:34 PM PT
Feb 2035 delegates
89% reporting Delegates Vote %
Clinton (won) 19 52.6%

Sanders 15 47.4%

Clinton won four more delegates by 5.2% of the vote.

Hardly a BIG win.

 

[sr71plt]

Nevada caucus
Last updated Feb 20, 2016 at 7:34 PM PT
Feb 2035 delegates
89% reporting Delegates Vote %
Clinton (won) 19 52.6%

Sanders 15 47.4%

Clinton won four more delegates by 5.2% of the vote.

Hardly a BIG win.

So what? A win is a win. And one more delegate in each state than your opponent is a decisive WIN.

I don't think there's an award for mealy mouthing.

 

[Wrong Element]

Understand...Good Point.

It's also a point that should scare the living shit out of Hillary supporters. If she can't garner the support of the 'devoted left', she damn sure isn't going to convince the center to pull the handle for her.

This is a fallacy that pops up every four years: that those who voted against a party's eventual nominee will either stay home or defect to the other party completely. When in reality, almost everyone who has voted or will vote for Sanders will be more than happy to vote for Hillary in November -- or if not exactly "happy," at least vote with a clear belief that she's the lesser of two evils. The same goes on the GOP side.

The question is why you think those who are voting for the most liberal Democratic candidate in decades are somehow an up-for-grabs constituency in the fall, when Hillary, for all her imperfections, will be the most liberal candidate on the ballot.

 

[1sickbastard]

This is a fallacy that pops up every four years: that those who voted against a party's eventual nominee will either stay home or defect to the other party completely. When in reality, almost everyone who has voted or will vote for Sanders will be more than happy to vote for Hillary in November -- or if not exactly "happy," at least vote with a clear belief that she's the lesser of two evils. The same goes on the GOP side.

The question is why you think those who are voting for the most liberal Democratic candidate in decades are somehow an up-for-grabs constituency in the fall, when Hillary, for all her imperfections, will be the most liberal candidate on the ballot.

This is a good point. Chasing the extreme of a party to gain the nomination is NOT the same critter as winning a general election.

Also, don't forget there's a cost/benefit calculus for individual voters. For a primary, the benefits for voting vs the hassle is not quite the same as in a general election, which is a round about way of saying that many voters won't bother with a primary. This is particularly true of working voters which skew heavily towards younger and minority demographics making the cost/benefit decision.

 

[JackLuis]

Hillary Clinton bashes Trump’s neutral stance on Israel

Democratic presidential front-runner Hillary Clinton attacked Republican Donald Trump on Monday for taking a neutral stance toward Israeli-Palestinian peace efforts, in a preview of a possible general election battle between them.

On a day Trump was visiting Washington, Clinton told the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) conference that Trump’s neutral stance in the search for peace between Israel and the Palestinians would be dangerous for Israel, a stalwart U.S. ally in the Middle East.

“America can’t ever be neutral when it comes to Israel’s security and survival,” Clinton told the pro-Israel lobbying group, without mentioning Trump by name. “Anyone who doesn’t understand that has no business being our president.”

Nobody out panders Hillary (R) Clinton!

 

[RobDownSouth]

Hillary Clinton is a Democrat with a strong affinity for Wall Street contributions.

Having said that, I'm voting for her. She's the best of a lackluster bunch.

 

[Hypoxia]

Given: Hillary is a Methodist.

And: Methodists staged a coup in Fiji awhile back.

Thus: Beware of Methodists.

It's only logical.

 

[JackLuis]

Moyers: Clinton needs to call for these two top Democrats to resign — for her campaign’s sake

There are two Democrats whose resignation from office right now would do their party and country a service.

Their disappearance might also help Hillary Clinton convince skeptical Democrats that her nomination, if it happens, is about the future, and not about resurrecting and ratifying the worst aspects of the first Clinton reign when she and her husband rarely met a donor to whom they wouldn’t try to auction a sleepover in the Lincoln Bedroom.

In fact, while we’re at it, and if Secretary Clinton really wants us to believe she’s no creature of the corporate and Wall Street money machine — despite more than $44 million in contributions from the financial industry since 2000 and her $675,000 in speaking fees from Goldman Sachs, not to mention several million more paid by other business interests for an hour or two of her time — she should pick up the gauntlet herself and publicly call for the departure of these two, although they are among her nearest and dearest. And we don’t mean Bill and Chelsea.

No, she should come right out and ask for the resignations of Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel and Democratic National Committee Chair — and Florida congresswoman — Debbie Wasserman Schultz. In one masterstroke, she could separate herself from two of the most prominent of all corporate Democratic elitists.

 

[Dawna_B10]

Moyers: Clinton needs to call for these two top Democrats to resign — for her campaign’s sake

She needs to shed her Muslim Sisterhood Princess. Huma that is.