Hillary has picked a VP. Do you care?

[Christobal]

Honest question. Does this affect your vote at all?

 

[Ishmael]

Honest question. Does this affect your vote at all?

No, not even if I were a democrat. It baffles me that there are some that it does make a difference to.

John Nance Garner (FDR's VP for the first 3 terms.) said it best, "He famously described the Vice-Presidency as being "not worth a bucket of warm piss". (For many years, this quote was bowdlerized as "warm spit".)

Voting for a vice-president is as important as voting for your local dog catcher.

Ishmael

 

[Christobal]

No, not even if I were a democrat. It baffles me that there are some that it does make a difference to.

John Nance Garner (FDR's VP for the first 3 terms.) said it best, "He famously described the Vice-Presidency as being "not worth a bucket of warm piss". (For many years, this quote was bowdlerized as "warm spit".)

Voting for a vice-president is as important as voting for your local dog catcher.

Ishmael

Pretty much how I feel but the press and media will make it a big deal.

 

[Ishmael]

Pretty much how I feel but the press and media will make it a big deal.

As is the penchant for anyone not gainfully employed.

Ishmael

 

[sr71plt]

So, you all are telling me that McCain picking Palen to run with didn't affect some votes?

We're not in the same world we were in when John Nance Garner was vice president.

Picking Kaine will affect my voting, yes. I live in Virginia. Losing one of our U.S. senators would have a big effect on my voting for state offices. His was a safe Democratic seat. Now, although the Clintons obviously want the seat for our sitting governor, there may be a fight for it that wouldn't happen if Kaine doesn't move into the vice president spot.

 

[renard_ruse]

He's an honorary Hispanic.

 

[silver gurl]

VPs can definitely make or break an election. Look at history

 

[Hard_Rom]

Who? And give a bio for this foreigner.

 

[Christobal]

So, you all are telling me that McCain picking Palen to run with didn't affect some votes?

We're not in the same world we were in when John Nance Garner was vice president.

Picking Kaine will affect my voting, yes. I live in Virginia. Losing one of our U.S. senators would have a big effect on my voting for state offices. His was a safe Democratic seat. Now, although the Clintons obviously want the seat for our sitting governor, there may be a fight for it that wouldn't happen if Kaine doesn't move into the vice president spot.

Wow you raise some valid pionts. Will that affect how you vote for president?

 

[thør]

Honest question. Does this affect your vote at all?

No.

There is no way that I could vote for HRC and be able to sleep at night after.

 

[renard_ruse]

No.

There is no way that I could vote for HRC and be able to sleep at night after.

Pero el habla Espanol, muy especial.

 

[Jessie_Pinkman]

20% of the VP's have had to take over as President (not counting those that ran for and got elected as such).

And one ran the country for the puppet President (Cheney).

But, I agree. It doesn't influence my decision (unless it's a dumb as fuck choice <like Palin>)

 

[silver gurl]

The first that come to mind is Sarah, which has been mentioned. Then there was Ross Perot, when he chose the Admiral as his VP. It all tanked from there.

 

[Ishmael]

So, you all are telling me that McCain picking Palen to run with didn't affect some votes?

We're not in the same world we were in when John Nance Garner was vice president.

Picking Kaine will affect my voting, yes. I live in Virginia. Losing one of our U.S. senators would have a big effect on my voting for state offices. His was a safe Democratic seat. Now, although the Clintons obviously want the seat for our sitting governor, there may be a fight for it that wouldn't happen if Kaine doesn't move into the vice president spot.

I can only speak for myself concerning that election. I voted Libertarian that year and that decision had nothing to do with Palin.

Ishmael

 

[sr71plt]

Wow you raise some valid pionts. Will that affect how you vote for president?

Well, Hillary could have lost my vote by picking Sarah Palen to run with.

It's hard for me not to vote for just about anyone running against Trump, though. I suppose if it were Cruz and Trump, I'd have to . . . well, no. I have a vacation home in the Mediterranean. I'd probably take an extended vacation there.

 

[sr71plt]

Who? And give a bio for this foreigner.

Kaine? Born in Minnesota, Scottish/Irish background, Harvard Law, Mayor of Richmond, governor of Virginia, one-time chairman of the DNC, currently U.S. senator from Virginia, a state Clinton's got to have. Not even remotely Hispanic.

 

[Comshaw]

Normally it doesn't make any difference to me. The only time it did was the McCain/Obama election. I was having a hell of a time deciding which one I was going to vote for until McCain chose Palin as a running mate. I couldn't ever conceive of her taking over as president and with his age there was a distinct possibility of that. A Palin presidency? The only thing that could equal that on the "we are fucked scale" is a Trump one.


Comshaw

 

[Ishmael]

Kaine? Mayor of Richmond, governor of Virginia, one-time chairman of the DNC, currently U.S. senator from Virginia, a state Clinton's got to have.

Normally it doesn't make any difference to me. The only time it did was the McCain/Obama election. I was having a hell of a time deciding which one I was going to vote for until McCain chose Palin as a running mate. I couldn't ever conceive of her taking over as president and with his age there was a distinct possibility of that. A Palin presidency? The only thing that could equal that on the "we are fucked scale" is a Trump one.


Comshaw

Actually these two posts, and there are more, is an indication of how far we've strayed as a nation. The president isn't God, or Ceasar. The office of president, as constrained by the constitution, is of limited power. The chief power of the presidency lies in the arena of foreign policy. The single face of the nation to the outside world. Domestically Congress is King. The president is limited to enforcing the laws passed by congress.

In recent history the executive (the president) has over stepped their bounds, while the legislative (congress) as abdicated their responsibilities. This has all come about as a result of each and everyone of them beginning to run for re-election as soon as they've finished taking their oath of office. And for the most part the reason they do that is because there is too much self-enrichment associated with holding that sort of power. Taking the Clinton's as an example (and they are not the only ones, nor is the trait limited to democrats) they came to power as people of modest means, now multi-millionaires. They enriched themselves on the backs of the very people they purport to champion. The list of politicians, both democrat and republican, that have done so in recent years is as long as it is odious.

Politics, especially on the national level, is almost indistinguishable from a crime syndicate anymore. Extortion is the name of the game. Punish your opponents, reward your key donors, and fuck the nation and everyone that just wants to get on with their life.

Anyone with half a brain knows that Hillary is a liar, a vindictive liar. The first graphic example on the national scene was 'Travelgate (you have no idea how tedious the appendage of 'gate' has become to me re. political corruption). A politician that has used her office and access for self-enrichment. A person that will, and has, put her own interests before that of the nation.

Trump? That remains to be seen one way or another.

Ishmael

 

[Sean Renaud]

No. I don't really care and I had no clue who he was prior to him being picked.

Though Warren could probably have brought in some of those Bernie or Bust people.

 

[Ishmael]

No. I don't really care and I had no clue who he was prior to him being picked.

Though Warren could probably have brought in some of those Bernie or Bust people.

Do you really think that Hillary would ever let another woman upstage her?

Ishmael

 

[snugglestruggle]

I thought Hillary was the most qualified person to ever run for president, Obama even said so. Why did she pick someone who is basically a male version of herself, minus the stench of corruption?

 

[Ishmael]

I thought Hillary was the most qualified person to ever run for president, Obama even said so. Why did she pick someone who is basically a male version of herself, minus the stench of corruption?

What I get a kick out of is that in virtually every testimony before any investigating body she has consistently said either, "I don't remember," or, "I didn't know."

One of the key indicators of intelligence is memory. Intelligence is directly proportional to memory capability. We are told, over and over, that she is the 'smartest' woman alive today. Based on her testimony I'm left to conclude that she's either one of the dumbest bitches to walk the earth, or she is being purposely evasive and untruthful. Neither conclusion is an endorsement for a presidential wannbe.

Ishmael

 

[OldJourno]

Do you really think that Hillary would ever let another woman upstage her?

Ishmael

Happens all the time where Bill sleeps.

 

[patient1]

No, it won't change my vote.

Yes, I care, because I figure his more moderate stance tells me that a Clinton impeachment is more likely, for whatever excuse.

Have we had Congressional hearings on this one yet?

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Saudi Arabia Has Funded 20% Of Hillary's Presidential Campaign


.June 14, 2016 - 4:25 PM.

AhlulBayt News Agency - Deputy Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman reportedly said Saudi has enthusiastically funded Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign.

Saudi Arabia is a major funder of Hillary Clinton’s campaign to become the next president of the United States, according to a report published by Jordan’s official news agency.

The Petra News Agency published on Sunday what it described as exclusive comments from Saudi Deputy Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman which included a claim that Riyadh has provided 20 percent of the total funding to the prospective Democratic candidate’s campaign.

The report was later deleted and the news agency has not responded to requests for comment.

It is illegal in the United States for foreign countries to try to influence the outcome of elections by funding candidates.

The Washington-based Institute for Gulf Affairs has re-published the original Arabic Petra report, which quoted Prince Mohammed as having said Saudi Arabia had provided with “full enthusiasm” an undisclosed amount of money to Clinton.

“Saudi Arabia always has sponsored both Republican and Democratic Party of America and in America current election also provide with full enthusiasm 20 percent of the cost of Hillary Clinton’s election even though some events in the country don’t have a positive look to support the king of a woman (sic) for presidency,” the report quoted Prince Mohammed as having said.

The US Federal Election commission reports that over the past two years Clinton has raised a little more than $211.78m. Twenty percent of this sum is $42.35m.

The report was published on the eve of Prince Mohammed making an official visit to the United States.

The Saudi Press Agency reported on Monday that the senior royal was due to fly to Washington where he will meet officials to discuss US-Saudi ties.

He will remain in the American capital until 16 June, when he will travel to New York for meetings with financial companies, the Saudi Gazette reported.

Prince Mohammed will discuss regional issues with American officials, and he will hold talks with the financial companies about his vision for diversifying Saudi Arabia’s economy away from oil dependency.

Links between Saudi Arabia and the Clinton family, including with Hillary’s campaign, are well reported.

In 2008, it was revealed that the Gulf kingdom had donated between $10m and $25m to the Clinton Foundation, a charity set up by Hillary’s husband and former US President Bill Clinton.

Last year the Centre for Studies and Media Affairs at the Saudi Royal Court paid public relations firm the Podesta Group $200,000 for a month-long project to provide “public relations services”.

The Podesta Group was founded in 1988 by brothers John and Tony Podesta. John Podesta is the chair of Hillary Clinton’s campaign to become the next US president.

Hillary Clinton’s campaign did not respond to a request for comment at the time of publication.

 

[sr71plt]

Kaine? Born in Minnesota, Scottish/Irish background, Harvard Law, Mayor of Richmond, governor of Virginia, one-time chairman of the DNC, currently U.S. senator from Virginia, a state Clinton's got to have. Not even remotely Hispanic.

Another tidbit on Kaine that has given him some "across the aisle" cachet in Congress. His father-in-law is Linwood Holton, a very popular Republican governor of Virginia in the 70s (the first Republican governor in Virginia since Reconstruction). Kaine's wife is the secretary of education for Virginia. So, a politically entrenched family in the state.