Hillary Clinton Locked Up

[phrodeau]

The Democratic Nomination.

That is the way to sell newspapers. Write a headline that delivers to everyone, especially the slow readers in the GOP.

 

[JackLuis]

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ca...teve_kelley-steve_kelley_for_jun_03_2016.html

Good cartoons this week.

 

[sr71plt]

And of course they could believe in Trump? Apparently there is a lot of that dumbassery going around.

I think you're going to let your bile eat you up, Jack. Works for me.

 

[JackLuis]

Now that Hillary has 'won', the latest polls show her ~ tied with Trump in a couple of key states. Yet Bernie still beats Drumpf by double digits.

Philly in July, it'll be hot, the streets will be filled and the game ain't over yet.

 

[sr71plt]

Now that Hillary has 'won', the latest polls show her ~ tied with Trump in a couple of key states. Yet Bernie still beats Drumpf by double digits.

Philly in July, it'll be hot, the streets will be filled and the game ain't over yet.

I responded to that (and you are conveniently ignoring that Clinton beat Sanders in every single aspect of the primary process). Sanders has been a sideshow as far as scrutiny of how he stacks up to the opposition candidate. He does well in that statistic simply because no one is scrutinizing him. He hasn't stacked up even to the candidate in the party he tried to crash. Clinton has garnered more votes than Trump in nearly every primary they were both in (not to mention that she got three-and-a-half million more raw votes that Sanders did), so I'd like to see how the two stand up in actual vote statistics so far. (He beat her in a couple of state primaries last night--but then he was essentially the only candidate running for the Republicans at that point).

Beyond that the statistic means shit at this point and just more of your denial. I'm perfectly happy to wait and see how they really stack up in voting--because, open your eyes, Jack, Bernie isn't going to get the nomination and nastier he is about that the more likely that the one thing he has said he wants to prevent over anything else--the election of Trump--can happen. I think Bernie is enough of a fanatic not to appreciate that, though, which makes him that much more of an ineffective politician (which is what his history in the Senate has marked him as--an ineffective gadfly).

I also repeatedly noted (without you giving any rebuttal) why so few super delegates--the actual Democratic Party workers and office holders--are ever likely to switch to him. He's done jack shit for the party he joined just ten minutes ago (and only tentatively then--he's still formally listed as an Independent in the Senate) and Hillary Clinton has been a party worker for three decades (figure that one out, genius).

And it's likely all moot and you'll lose even that fig leaf after next Tuesday's D.C. primary. She's that close to taking the nomination without the need of a single super delegate (which is something Obama didn't manage in 2008). Are you crazy enough to see D.C. going for Sanders over Clinton? Oh, that's right, you plan on being in denial to there and beyond.

What Bernie should be doing now is to conciliate at least in private (it will take him longer to ratchet his supporters down because he was so hateful about it during the primary) and start working on making the Clinton people buy into some of his program (which I dearly wish were done--and which I think she's a flexible enough politician to take on board). But I'm thinking he's as rabid about this as you are being and will lose his chances on that and wind up with diddly squat. Which would serve him--and you--right. And his (and you) being a stubborn fanatic who can't figure out how to get any part of his program enacted is yet another reason why an old, Jew socialist isn't going to win the presidency any time soon--not when there are all those bigots coming out of the woodwork to support the racist bigot Trump.

Tell, me Jack, what do you think Bernie should be doing now, if, as he said in his speech last night, his greatest priority is to prevent the election of Donald Trump? Come on, you don't have to be that shallow. You can do some realistic deep thinking--I know you can.

 

[DooleyDarter]

She made history, the first person who identifies as a woman, won her parties nomination

 

[underguy1]

I responded to that (and you are conveniently ignoring that Clinton beat Sanders in every single aspect of the primary process). Sanders has been a sideshow as far as scrutiny of how he stacks up to the opposition candidate. He does well in that statistic simply because no one is scrutinizing him. He hasn't stacked up even to the candidate in the party he tried to crash. Clinton has garnered more votes than Trump in nearly every primary they were both in (not to mention that she got three-and-a-half million more raw votes that Sanders did), so I'd like to see how the two stand up in actual vote statistics so far. (He beat her in a couple of state primaries last night--but then he was essentially the only candidate running for the Republicans at that point).

Beyond that the statistic means shit at this point and just more of your denial. I'm perfectly happy to wait and see how they really stack up in voting--because, open your eyes, Jack, Bernie isn't going to get the nomination and nastier he is about that the more likely that the one thing he has said he wants to prevent over anything else--the election of Trump--can happen. I think Bernie is enough of a fanatic not to appreciate that, though, which makes him that much more of an ineffective politician (which is what his history in the Senate has marked him as--an ineffective gadfly).

I also repeatedly noted (without you giving any rebuttal) why so few super delegates--the actual Democratic Party workers and office holders--are ever likely to switch to him. He's done jack shit for the party he joined just ten minutes ago (and only tentatively then--he's still formally listed as an Independent in the Senate) and Hillary Clinton has been a party worker for three decades (figure that one out, genius).

And it's likely all moot and you'll lose even that fig leaf after next Tuesday's D.C. primary. She's that close to taking the nomination without the need of a single super delegate (which is something Obama didn't manage in 2008). Are you crazy enough to see D.C. going for Sanders over Clinton? Oh, that's right, you plan on being in denial to there and beyond.

What Bernie should be doing now is to conciliate at least in private (it will take him longer to ratchet his supporters down because he was so hateful about it during the primary) and start working on making the Clinton people buy into some of his program (which I dearly wish were done--and which I think she's a flexible enough politician to take on board). But I'm thinking he's as rabid about this as you are being and will lose his chances on that and wind up with diddly squat. Which would serve him--and you--right. And his (and you) being a stubborn fanatic who can't figure out how to get any part of his program enacted is yet another reason why an old, Jew socialist isn't going to win the presidency any time soon--not when there are all those bigots coming out of the woodwork to support the racist bigot Trump.

Tell, me Jack, what do you think Bernie should be doing now, if, as he said in his speech last night, his greatest priority is to prevent the election of Donald Trump? Come on, you don't have to be that shallow. You can do some realistic deep thinking--I know you can.

What a bunch of horse shit that you've effectively just cut and pasted from a Hillary crib sheet.

Insulting the progressive wing with falsehoods and epithets isn't going to get all those people who were brought into the process by Bernie and his agenda to come into a party that is Republican in ideology, insulting toward the left and corrupt down to the bone.

Think for yourself instead of repeating talking points like the right wing does.

 

[sr71plt]

Thank you for sharing. And, no, I didn't crib that from anything. Unlike naive fanatics like you, I keep the end goal in view (and I'll bet that, of the two of us, I'm the more progressive). I'd think after you'd stepped on your dick on this forum a couple of times already today, you'd step back and do a little thinking. But I guess not. Flame on, though, there's not much that's going to be happening from posting political stuff to a porn Web site. You're wholly an impotent drone here (https://www.literotica.com/stories/memberpage.php?uid=506699&page=submissions). I dabble in political posting here too, but it's incidental to being here as a full contributor to the purpose of the Web site, not as some sort of irrelevant drone passing by.

 

[underguy1]

Thank you for sharing. And, no, I didn't crib that from anything. Unlike naive fanatics like you, I keep the end goal in view (and I'll bet that, of the two of us, I'm the more progressive). I'd think after you'd stepped on your dick on this forum a couple of times already today, you'd step back and do a little thinking. But I guess not. Flame on, though, there's not much that's going to be happening from posting political stuff to a porn Web site. You're wholly an impotent drone here (https://www.literotica.com/stories/memberpage.php?uid=506699&page=submissions). I dabble in political posting here too, but it's incidental to being here as a full contributor to the purpose of the Web site, not as some sort of irrelevant drone passing by.

You'd clearly lose the bet unless you've invented some new meaning of the word progressive to mean neoliberal apologist for the 1%.

I'm neither naive nor a fanatic. These are just random epithets you're flinging i.e. ad hominem

You're the one flaming here, buddy. You clearly know nothing about Bernie Sanders, his beliefs, the movement around him or any economics for that matter.

But you chose to fling the standard right wing talking points, epithets and insults anyway.

And your posting history means nothing in context. What sort of asinine 'logic' is that?

You Hillary bots are model Republicans.

Don't address the argument but fill the screen with irrelevant drivel and insults.

 

[BotanyBoy]

What a bunch of horse shit that you've effectively just cut and pasted from a Hillary crib sheet.

Insulting the progressive wing with falsehoods and epithets isn't going to get all those people who were brought into the process by Bernie and his agenda to come into a party that is Republican in ideology, insulting toward the left and corrupt down to the bone.

Think for yourself instead of repeating talking points like the right wing does.

The neoLibz like Clinton and SR71 are about as progressive as the NeoCon republicans are conservative.

You'd clearly lose the bet unless you've invented some new meaning of the word progressive to mean neoliberal apologist for the 1%.

LOL exactly.

 

[underguy1]

The neoLibz like Clinton and SR71 are about as progressive as the NeoCon republicans are conservative. They aren't really any of the things they claim to be.

They talk a bunch of conservative/progressive bullshit to get votes either from people who know they will get paid and low information idiot lemmings.

Another major similarity is that once in office they use their positions not to better the country but to enrich themselves and the plutocracy that put them in that position.

US citizens are beyond dumber than dog shit and they need to be fucked out of every dollar possible because of that stupidity.

Exactly so, which was probably the main takeaway of Bernie's message if a bit watered down.

The Democratic Party as it is is a barrier to progress and Hillary Clinton represents the worst of the neoliberal and neoconservative wings of the whole War Party.

So it will be economic regression and police state at home and ever more war abroad (possibly including her insane brinkmanship causing a war with Russia).

 

[BotanyBoy]

Exactly so, which was probably the main takeaway of Bernie's message if a bit watered down.

The Democratic Party as it is is a barrier to progress and Hillary Clinton represents the worst of the neoliberal and neoconservative wings of the whole War Party.

So it will be economic regression and police state at home and ever more war abroad (possibly including her insane brinkmanship causing a war with Russia).

Whatever....That's what America wants and that's what it will get.

I know economic regression and police state are a guaranteed thing but WWIII would be a bonus.

I would laugh and cheer as LA/SF/NYC/DC burned....hopefully they bomb the piss out of Chicago, DFW, Houston, Atlanta and Miami as well.

 

[underguy1]

Whatever....That's what America wants and that's what it will get.

I don't think that's true. Bernie's policies have been majority opinion for decades.

Look at it. A virtual unknown 12 months ago got enough popular support with the entire establishment against him to force them to fraudulently steal the nomination.

Clinton only got more votes through outright fraud even with the establishment and the entire media behind her.

Americans are more progressive than the media paints.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I don't think that's true. Bernie's policies have been majority opinion for decades.

Apparently not...

America clearly wants more wealth concentration, more police state and more war abroad.

Not to mention a variety of more spending with little to no return on their investment, mostly because it winds up in the pockets of homies.

Look at it. A virtual unknown 12 months ago got enough popular support with the entire establishment against him to force them to fraudulently steal the nomination.

Clinton only got more votes through outright fraud even with the establishment and the entire media behind her.

What fraud?

Americans are more progressive than the media paints.

I don't think they are....fuck em.

You should go out and do everything you can to get all the money you can any way you can because that's the American way.

 

[underguy1]

Apparently not...

America clearly wants more wealth concentration, more police state and more war abroad.

I'm talking popular thought. Not elite thinking. Opinion polling has always shown that people want much expanded social programmes.

Not to mention a variety of more spending with little to no return on their investment, mostly because it winds up in the pockets of homies.

They want increased government spending on social services.

What fraud?

You're unaware of the massive electoral fraud and voter suppression that has occurred?

I don't think they are....fuck em.

You should go out and do everything you can to get all the money you can any way you can because that's the American way.

That's capitalism. It isn't a law of nature.

We are in the end stages of predatory finance capitalism. The choice is to keep going to feudalism or to rebel.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I'm talking popular thought. Not elite thinking. Opinion polling has always shown that people want much expanded social programmes.



They want increased government spending on social services.

Apparently not....that's why Sanders lost.

You're unaware of the massive electoral fraud and voter suppression that has occurred?

I await your proof of electoral fraud.....

That's capitalism. It isn't a law of nature.

I didn't say it was a law of nature I said it was the American way.

We are in the end stages of predatory finance capitalism. The choice is to keep going to feudalism or to rebel.

We have chosen to keep going to feudalism, so I suggest you either seriously consider jumping ship now or get ready fro some feudalism.

 

[underguy1]

I await your proof of electoral fraud.....

Are you serious? Do you not read outside the corporate media?

Google it, dude.

I don't live in the USA btw. But I do live in one of its imperial outposts.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Are you serious?

Yea.

If you can't take it to a court of law and HANG Clinton with it then there was no fraud.

 

[underguy1]

Yea.

If you can't take it to a court of law and HANG Clinton with it then there was no fraud.

Sorry. I like to remain on the logic side of reasoning and that is not logical.

There is a lawsuit.

 

[JackLuis]

I responded to that (and you are conveniently ignoring that Clinton beat Sanders in every single aspect of the primary process).
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Tell, me Jack, what do you think Bernie should be doing now, if, as he said in his speech last night, his greatest priority is to prevent the election of Donald Trump? Come on, you don't have to be that shallow. You can do some realistic deep thinking--I know you can.

He should be doing exactly what he is doing, pushing Hillary and the party to the left of their Neo-Lib center. He should still be pushing his agenda, that has worked so far. Hillary has adopted most everything he's advocated and Bernie should make her run on that. If he slacks off and joins the lemmings praising Hillary, she will turn right and adopt a "National Defense Uber Allis" posture to solidify her Mill-Industy complex support. She'll soft sell the Bankster issue and completely forget about it by January.

Hillary is barely ahead of Trump nationally, she wants Bernie to slack off so she can spin to the right and pick up her Wall Street friends again. She spent a lot of money to win over Bernie by what 2-10%.

She needs her bankster buddies to refill her coffers for the election, Most of them have given her the max, so she will be dependent on the PAC's to hammer Trump. She needs Bernie to keep raising his $27 a shot money for her. This was born out in her gracious remarks about Bernie in her coronation statement. She ought to suck his cock every Tuesday until the election, so he keeps raising money.

Bernie should stay in the public eye, pushing Hillary to the left, and drop kicking Trump for the shit he will undoubtedly say between now and November.

Bernie should work on the down tickets, Senate and House, to try and rectify the hole that the Establishment Democrats have dug for themselves. I'll bet his support will make more difference than Hillary's.

I'm sure you'd rather he give up and go away so Hillary can pursue the Neo-Lib agenda, more wars to drive weapons sales, more Imperialism in the Middle East, confronting the Russians at every opportunity and ignoring the domestic issues like infrastructure improvements, broken justice system, education, and fucking Republicans every way she can.

If Bernie gives up, how many of his new Democrats will show up in November? Hillary and the Demos need every single vote to defeat Trump and the Teahaddists in the House. She has a slim margin now and if the FBI gets crazy about The Clinton Foundation laundry, she'll be sucking wind inNovember.

We all better hope the Clinton Foundation Laundry doesn't make Trump President.

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Edited to add:
I don't expect the Supers to change allegiance, not unless the Clinton Foundation story goes somewhere. The Supers are Establishment Pols. They are in Lock Step with the Party calling cadence. But some may feel the need to put ethics ahead of crass political advantage. How many of the Supers would you believe will back Bernie if Slick Willy get indited on RICO?

 

[BotanyBoy]

Sorry. I like to remain on the logic side of reasoning and that is not logical.

It's absolutely logical with respect to real world effects and law.

If you can't crucify her in a court of law for fraudulent behavior then there was no fraud in any real world sense and she will be the nominee.

Even if there was fraud she'll be well insulated and just let one of her peeps take the hit and laugh it off.

Because she's a fuckin' bauss like that.
https://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/62627077.jpg

So not only do you have to prove fraud you have to prove HILLARY either did it herself or ordered someone to do it for her.

So good luck with that.

There is a lawsuit.

That doesn't mean shit...you can file those for anything all day long.

 

[phrodeau]

All those caucus decisions were obviously made with two-headed coins.

 

[underguy1]

It's absolutely logical with respect to real world effects and law.

If you can't crucify her in a court of law for fraudulent behavior then there was no fraud in any real world sense and she will be the nominee.

Even if there was fraud she'll be well insulated and just let one of her peeps take the hit and laugh it off.

Because she's a fuckin' bauss like that.
https://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/62627077.jpg

So not only do you have to prove fraud you have to prove HILLARY either did it herself or ordered someone to do it for her.

So good luck with that.



That doesn't mean shit...you can file those for anything all day long.

Clearly this conversation is going to go nowhere. I can't be bothered playing semantic games.

You can consider yourself the winner!! if you wish.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Clearly this conversation is going to go nowhere. I can't be bothered playing semantic games.

You can consider yourself the winner!! if you wish.

It's not a game of semantics it's a game of reality vs. you're hopes and dreams.

If you want to make claims that she's committed fraud you must have proof or you're just whining....

That's how the real world works.

 

[underguy1]

It's not a game of semantics it's a game of reality vs. you're hopes and dreams.

If you want to make claims that she's committed fraud you must have proof or you're just whining....

That's how the real world works.

No, that's an internet meme for intellectually incurious internet warriors.