High school teachers having sex with students

[renard_ruse]

Is it really abuse if the student initiates or voluntary advances the relationship?:

..The boy eventually leaned in to kiss his teacher, which led to a month of “making out,” the newspaper said. The pair began having sex about November 2010, according to the sheriff’s report cited by the Sun-Star...

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/06/california-teacher-charged-sex-student.html

 

[Peregrinator]

This thread is going to devolve into the same old conversation about ages of consent.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Is it really abuse if the student initiates or voluntary advances the relationship?:

Of course.

 

[renard_ruse]

I'm not saying its right or should be tolerated, but in a case where it was consensual and the youth is the one who seduced the teacher, should it really be considered child molestation or even a crime?

Perhaps the teacher should just be fired and not allowed to work in a school again. Is years of prison really appropriate just for a consensual loving relationship?

I don't know, but it gives me pause. Perhaps teachers need more training in how to resist or deal with the advances of students. Not all students, boys or girls, are wilting innocent victims in waiting. They can be horny and promiscious and mature for their age. We aren't talking about pre-pubescent children, but sexually mature teenagers.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying its right or defensible, but rape or molestation? I think this phenomena, troubling as it is, needs to be dealt with from a different approach.

 

[renard_ruse]

Of course.

Would you like to expand on that thought? How so?

 

[derpybody]

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[KingOrfeo]

This thread is going to devolve into the same old conversation about ages of consent.

Well, even if the kid's over 18, and even if the kid makes the first move, it's kinda creepy on the teacher's part. It's presumptively taking advantage of a relationship of superior power and authority. Like if a psychiatrist does a patient.

 

[Sean Renaud]

I've always wondered what's wrong with these women. The guys I get it, there are guys who lack the social skills to attract women and you put them in a position where they can use their power it makes sense that they would. Most of the women I see pop up on these things are at least not fugly and most of them could easily get laid just by walking into a bar and proclaiming herself to drunk to drive. I'm talking here specifically about the ones going after late teens who are physically if not full adults close enough that if you didn't know they weren't 18 you'd have no reason to doubt them.

 

[renard_ruse]

Well, even if the kid's over 18, and even if the kid makes the first move, it's kinda creepy on the teacher's part. It's presumptively taking advantage of a relationship of superior power and authority. Like if a psychiatrist does a patient.

Psychiatrists and psychologists are trained to expect and resist patient advances. The climate of empathy in therapy often causes feelings of attraction in the patient. They are trained on this possibility and how to respond appropriately.

I think teacher's should be trained on this possibly as well, and students who sexually harass teachers should not be allowed free reign to claim that they are necessarily the victim just because they are minors.

 

[renard_ruse]

I've always wondered what's wrong with these women. The guys I get it, there are guys who lack the social skills to attract women and you put them in a position where they can use their power it makes sense that they would. Most of the women I see pop up on these things are at least not fugly and most of them could easily get laid just by walking into a bar and proclaiming herself to drunk to drive. I'm talking here specifically about the ones going after late teens who are physically if not full adults close enough that if you didn't know they weren't 18 you'd have no reason to doubt them.

Why do you think its always about power on the part of the teacher, even if its a male teacher with a female student? What about students of either sex who try to seduce the teacher? I know its not socially accpetable to point that out, but there are plenty of students who want to bag their teacher and will try to put the moves on.

 

[1HF]

Is it really abuse if the student initiates or voluntary advances the relationship?:

Yes, of course it is. The student in that article was 15 for fucks sake. Trying to say that it's not abuse etc. just because he supposedly initiated the relationship is ridiculous.

The teacher should not only know better, but there's something wrong if she's attracted to a 15 year old boy.

As the authority figure, teacher, and adult, that woman should have been able to say no.

 

[1HF]

Why do you think its always about power on the part of the teacher, even if its a male teacher with a female student? What about students of either sex who try to seduce the teacher? I know its not socially accpetable to point that out, but there are plenty of students who want to bag their teacher and will try to put the moves on.

It doesn't matter if the student is trying to put moves on their teacher. It comes down to the fact that these teachers who have relationships with young students have serious issues. And not just teachers. Any adult who is trying to pursue a relationship with a minor, or lets themselves be "seduced" is in the wrong.

If they were really that attracted to the student, and they are not a total creeper or predator, they could wait until the student was older and had graduated. It would still be weird and creepy, but the smarter way to handle it.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Why do you think its always about power on the part of the teacher, even if its a male teacher with a female student? What about students of either sex who try to seduce the teacher? I know its not socially accpetable to point that out, but there are plenty of students who want to bag their teacher and will try to put the moves on.

With the men I'm fairly certain it's power. With the women not at all. I think most of these women call the kid back in the class lock the door and it proabably plays out the same in real life as it oes in the pornos.

As for kids seducing teachers I'm not denying it may have happened a few times but I doubt it because frankly sex aside what does your average 16 year old have to say that could possibly seduce an adult with a healthy social life?

 

[KingOrfeo]

High school teachers having sex with students

This is the Lit. Pics or it didn't happen.

 

[Peregrinator]

Well, even if the kid's over 18, and even if the kid makes the first move, it's kinda creepy on the teacher's part. It's presumptively taking advantage of a relationship of superior power and authority. Like if a psychiatrist does a patient.

Creepy, I guess. We as a society have decided that an 18 year old is old enough to decide who to fuck, though. Either we're wrong about that, or we have to accept that occasionally teacher-adult student relationships are going to happen. In my area of education--commonly referred to as "outdoor ed"--I've frequently had students old enough to be my grandparent. Are we to say that those older adults can't boff their ski mountaineering guide, too? There's some boundary to be drawn there, for sure, but I think it's a blurry line. So we just make a law and hope for the best.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Its a relatively new industry that employs lotsa people. A century ago it wasnt a problem. One of my ancestors married a student as soon as she turned 16, he was 34. Their marriage was a good one with 4 children. In this state it was legal to marry a preteen till 1926.

I predict that in 5 years parents will go to prison for taking their kids to McDonalds, and we'll be just as righteously indignant about the new abuse.

 

[renard_ruse]

It doesn't matter if the student is trying to put moves on their teacher. It comes down to the fact that these teachers who have relationships with young students have serious issues. And not just teachers. Any adult who is trying to pursue a relationship with a minor, or lets themselves be "seduced" is in the wrong.

If they were really that attracted to the student, and they are not a total creeper or predator, they could wait until the student was older and had graduated. It would still be weird and creepy, but the smarter way to handle it.

Can a teacher be harassed by a student? What can a teacher do if there are unwanted advances? Can they get the student out of their class? I'm sure its not easy and they would probably get the blame.

 

[renard_ruse]

With the men I'm fairly certain it's power. With the women not at all. I think most of these women call the kid back in the class lock the door and it proabably plays out the same in real life as it oes in the pornos.

As for kids seducing teachers I'm not denying it may have happened a few times but I doubt it because frankly sex aside what does your average 16 year old have to say that could possibly seduce an adult with a healthy social life?

Its not at all normal to feel even the slightest attraction to a sexually mature, physcially healthy, attractive, vibrant young person?

Again, not saying its acceptable, but is it really "rape" or "molestation" when the youth is post-pubescent and its fully consensual and even initiated by the youth?

 

[RoryN]

Sexless nerds like renard_ruse are always posting in defense of teacher-student relationships.

 

[renard_ruse]

Sexless nerds like renard_ruse are always posting in defense of teacher-student relationships.

Unlike you, I am not afraid to take controversial positions and pathetic wanna be judgemental losers like yourself will certainly not intimidate me from any view I wish to express.

So, kindly, go sick your head up your loose asshole.

 

[RoryN]

Unlike you, I am not afraid to take controversial positions and pathetic wanna be judgemental losers like yourself will certainly not intimidate me from any view I wish to express.

It's the Internet.

The fact that you even mention intimidation means you're an incredible puss-ass.

(BTW, teach your hockey team how to close the deal. Oh, wait...you're probably the wrong guy.)

 

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[SweetGasps]

Ultimately the adult should know better than to give in despite the circumstances. Should being the key word.

Although I've seen it myself during school. Some girls make a game of it and decide they're not going to stop until they get what they want.

Sophmore year one of my friends was after the soccer coach who was in his mid 30's at the time. One day while gossiping she decided that she wanted him and damned if she'd let up until she had him. It started slowly with hanging out after practice while he coached the boys...she'd linger and stalk until they were alone. She'd cry to him about problems and needing someone to talk to. Eventually she worked her way up to a kiss. From there I think she spooked him off a bit which just fueled her efforts even more. By the end of the school year heading into summer it turned heavier, to the point of intercourse, so she said. He was going through a divorce at the time.

Eventually by the next school she tired of him and moved on.

Did I ever accost any of my teachers? No, but that sure as hell didn't stop me from being a little tramp and having flings with older men in their late 30's and 40's while I was 16. Why? Because it was fun, a game, to see if I could and how far I could get. I never wrecked any homes, that I'm aware of...but it was a high I'd crave.

Would anyone call that rape? Not necessarily considering I was the one looking for trouble.

 

[bronzeage]

Its not at all normal to feel even the slightest attraction to a sexually mature, physcially healthy, attractive, vibrant young person?

Again, not saying its acceptable, but is it really "rape" or "molestation" when the youth is post-pubescent and its fully consensual and even initiated by the youth?

Are you really having trouble with this concept?

 

[Very_Bad_Man]

I'm not saying its right or should be tolerated, but in a case where it was consensual and the youth is the one who seduced the teacher, should it really be considered child molestation or even a crime?

Perhaps the teacher should just be fired and not allowed to work in a school again. Is years of prison really appropriate just for a consensual loving relationship?

I don't know, but it gives me pause. Perhaps teachers need more training in how to resist or deal with the advances of students. Not all students, boys or girls, are wilting innocent victims in waiting. They can be horny and promiscious and mature for their age. We aren't talking about pre-pubescent children, but sexually mature teenagers.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying its right or defensible, but rape or molestation? I think this phenomena, troubling as it is, needs to be dealt with from a different approach.

I am done being shocked over the level of stupidity you continuously display but even this post reaches depths I never expected.