High noon at the UN

REDWAVE

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The goings on at the United Nations are usually pretty boring. Right now, however, they're invested with high drama. I'm not sure whether it's farce, melodrama, or tragedy-- there are elements of all three-- but the upcoming vote on the U.S. backed war resolution on Iraq is providing a great deal of suspense and dramatic conflict.

So far, the only nations on record supporting the war resolution are the U.S., the U.K., Spain, and Bulgaria. (Bulgaria-- a sparkling example of the exciting "new Europe"! Hey-- once a satellite, always a satellite.;)) Opposed are France, Russia, China, [all three of which have veto power] Germany, and Syria. (Syria's opposition is highly understandable: they're probably next on the hit parade.) The ground rules are the resolution needs nine votes, and no vetoes, to pass. That leaves the uncommitted six-- Mexico, Chile, Guinea, Cameroon, Angola, and Pakistan-- on the hot seat, in a very uncomfortable position, thrust into the spotlight of world events, besieged by both sides.

Mexico ("so far from God, so close to the United States") probably ultimately has no choice but to line up behind the Yankee imperialist colossus. Chile has a little more breathing room, but likely will be forced by intense U.S. bullying and arm-twisting to do the same. Pakistan is a military dictatorship headed by Gen. Musharraf, and a servile, boot-licking lackey of the U.S. government. The only problem is, its people are overwhelmingly against the war. But the mighty ISI (Inter Services Intelligence, a sinister police state agency built up by massive infusions of U.S. cash) can probably whip the Pakistani multitudes in line, should they rebel. They have so far, at least: Musharraf is still holding on to power by his fingernails.

That leaves the three African nations as the focal point of "diplomatic" efforts by both sides. The irony of the situation is surely not lost on any of them. Normally, they are ignored by the great powers, and as soon as this situation is over, the great powers will go back to ignoring them. But right now, they are practically being torn in half by the U.S. and France, each pulling as hard as it can in opposite directions.

All three countries are desperately poor, and are no doubt being threatened with the cutoff of what paltry aid they do receive from the U.S. if they vote "the wrong way." ("My way or the highway!") The case of Angola is especially egregious. It was devastated for about twenty years by a brutal civil war, caused by the U.S. government's aid and support to Jonas Savimbi, a murderous brute who terrorized the Angolan people ruthlessly. Now the U.S. is leaning on it again, trying to coerce it into voting in favor of the very same nation which tore it apart and ravaged its people.

The stakes are high. The fig leaf of UN sanction, even though obviously obtained by bribing and bullying, and gangster tactics of the lowest sort, will give the Bushies some political cover for their big Iraq attack. On the other hand, a UN vote against them will be a major diplomatic defeat for the U.S. If (as seems certain) it goes ahead and attacks without UN approval, the war will clearly be exposed to everyone who has eyes to see as a predatory war of aggression and mass murder, a crime against humanity of the utmost magnitude.
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Watching MSNBC earlier and the ambassador from Guinea addressed the press, "ubaife jakfeia anfek ana fefd Cameroon nedf Congo".

News dude was anxious for the translation, turns out that it had nothing to do with Saddam, just some completely unrelated agreement. Never seen a cut to commercial so fast.

Imagine if it was FOX, they'd have stayed on air saying "what nerve!!! The Monkey Nations are delaying to let Saddam off the hook, why don't they start a United Monkey Nations to solve their petty regional affairs and let us nuke away"
 
70/30 said:
Watching MSNBC earlier and the ambassador from Guinea addressed the press, "ubaife jakfeia anfek ana fefd Cameroon nedf Congo".

News dude was anxious for the translation, turns out that it had nothing to do with Saddam, just some completely unrelated agreement. Never seen a cut to commercial so fast.

Imagine if it was FOX, they'd have stayed on air saying "what nerve!!! The Monkey Nations are delaying to let Saddam off the hook, why don't they start a United Monkey Nations to solve their petty regional affairs and let us nuke away"

Heh!
 
Redwave threads need shock value.

Gist: no one cares about Africa. Not allowed to put them on primetime unless Chirac, Putin, GWB, Saddam, WMD, Il, Ricin, VZ, fleet of intercontinental drones, etc are mentioned in every sentence. The most ardent democracy builder wouldn't even think about intervening to "free the Somalis" (wait a sec).

PM JMJ and ask him to send over the stuft crust he eats for lunch, they'll eat it--more mold the better. It won't happen. UNC DICK would never "invest" 100mil (muchless 100billion starters). FOXNEWs sticks to the facts. The continent's only hope for survival is to maintain a TFR of 8.
 
I have had it, fuck the UN and their bullshit...everything is in place its time to strike..now!
 
Geeze red ....

Lemmie re-watch my Rambo Movies or a few Chuck Norris movies to see how may lines you used of those pesky bad guys :rolleyes:
 
Meanwhile

sufisaint said:
I have had it, fuck the UN and their bullshit...everything is in place its time to strike..now!

Today's satellite pics show that Iran now is processing uranium for the possible purpose to making nuclear weapons. North Korea is about to do the same.

The wars are going to continue for some time.
 
Re: Meanwhile

jodarby said:
Today's satellite pics show that Iran now is processing uranium for the possible purpose to making nuclear weapons. North Korea is about to do the same.

The wars are going to continue for some time.

There is a god!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Re: Meanwhile

jodarby said:
Today's satellite pics show that Iran now is processing uranium for the possible purpose to making nuclear weapons. North Korea is about to do the same.

The wars are going to continue for some time.

We have a choice...sit back and be victimized...or stand up and fight.
 
War is always a last resort ..... and not taken lightly.

But potential enemies must know there's teeth behind your policy.

Each nation is dealt with differently.
 
Re: Re: Meanwhile

sufisaint said:
We have a choice...sit back and be victimized...or stand up and fight.

At the moment, the Bush administration has been pretty quiet about North Korea. I guess having nearly a million troops on the border and the ability to call up another four to five million can be pretty intimidating.

Also, the ability to fire a scud that hit the west coast of the U.S. and have a nuclear warhead attached can't leave Bush with a comfortable feeling.
 
UN = League of Nations....

Both now irrelevant in today's world.

The UN should move to Paris or Brussels, so it may feed on the new European Union's Reich.

You should move there also for your own wellness.
 
First retort

The Rooster said:
War is always a last resort ..... and not taken lightly.

In the case of Iraq, war is clearly not the last resort, but the first retort. Bush & crew are doing everything possible to make sure peace doesn't break out.
 
Re: First retort

REDWAVE said:
In the case of Iraq, war is clearly not the last resort, but the first retort. Bush & crew are doing everything possible to make sure peace doesn't break out.
I think 12 years of defying previous UN Resolutions is enough ... Saddam has had plenty of time to what he needs to do ... his time is running out


I'll have to catch up later ... must get to bed
 
What the fuck do Mexico, Chile, Guinea, Cameroon, Angola, and Pakistan matter, really? I mean c'mon. And since we do give them money, I would think they should back us up. And if they don't, why would cutting out their funds be a bad thing? We don't have to give them a penny when it comes down to it.
 
Re: UN = League of Nations....

Lost Cause said:
Both now irrelevant in today's world.

The UN should move to Paris or Brussels, so it may feed on the new European Union's Reich.

You should move there also for your own wellness.

How is it that Iraq poses a greater threat than North Korea and Iran? I guess that is the question people start asking when people analyze the Bush argument for going to war with Iraq.

As for moving the U.N. out of New York, there was some consideration of that since the U.S. hasn't paid its dues in full for a long time and the U.N. building is falling apart. The city of New York lobbied hard to keep it though.
 
Re: First retort

REDWAVE said:
In the case of Iraq, war is clearly not the last resort, but the first retort. Bush & crew are doing everything possible to make sure peace doesn't break out.

amen. I hope we bomb them into oblivian. by the way, how is oblivian these days redwave?
 
Re: Re: First retort

The Rooster said:
I think 12 years of defying previous UN Resolutions is enough ... Saddam has had plenty of time to what he needs to do ... his time is running out


I'll have to catch up later ... must get to bed

If the U.S. uses the resolutions as justification for invasion, it means that the invasion should only be about disarming Iraq. In no resolution does it talk about regime change.

However, Bush keep talking about shaping Iraq in his own way, removing Saddam and nearly everyone else and essentially making the U.S. ambassador in Iraq the new leader.

The Kurds in the north will want to be independent and the Shias to the south might want to join with Iran.

How in a democracy will the U.S. prevent that? They might end up fighting a civil war and place an Iraqi strongman in place just to keep Iraq intact.
 
Re: Re: First retort

Alvin Brickrock said:
amen. I hope we bomb them into oblivian. by the way, how is oblivian these days redwave?

Why waste all those bombs when a few well placed nukes would do the trick?
 
Israel

Not to mention that Israel has been defying UN resolutions much longer than Iraq, yet none of the Bushites are talking about going to war with Israel. Instead, they support the beast and monster Sharon to the hilt.

The hypocrisy is obvious and overwhelming.

Right, p p man?
;)
 
RastaPope said:
What the fuck do Mexico, Chile, Guinea, Cameroon, Angola, and Pakistan matter, really? I mean c'mon. And since we do give them money, I would think they should back us up. And if they don't, why would cutting out their funds be a bad thing? We don't have to give them a penny when it comes down to it.

Why stop there? Why not remove their governments as well and call them a clear and present danger to the U.S.
 
Unfortunately Mexico know Bush is a lying sack of dishones shit and don't believe a word he says, Thats the problem with fucking other countries over they don't trust you the next time:rolleyes:
 
jodarby said:
Why stop there? Why not remove their governments as well and call them a clear and present danger to the U.S.

Let their governments stand, no issue with that. But if they should need some money, well, that's too bad.
 
RP

Great new av, Rasta Pope: an Oprahburger. I saved it for my collection.
 
Re: Re: Re: First retort

jodarby said:
If the U.S. uses the resolutions as justification for invasion, it means that the invasion should only be about disarming Iraq. In no resolution does it talk about regime change.
I'm getting quite sick of correcting people about this.

The first, foremost, and numero uno reason for regime change in Iraq has always been and will always be about American security. It's the only real justification Bush has, constitutionally speaking.

All the other reasons: the UN violations, the humanitarian arguments, et cetera, are merely ancillary arguments designed to get the rest of the world on board.

As many people have noted, quite accurately, other nations, allies of ours, have WMDs; and other nations, allies of ours, have spotty human rights records. We're not invading them unless and until they become a threat to American national security.

And 70/30, FOX News actually quoted the Angolan representative to the UN at length. Of course, you don't think of that.

TB4p
 
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