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What kind of idiot portrays cougars as being any more threatening than a bunny rabbit?


http://www.arguscourier.com/news/news/mountainlionsituation050914.html

Reported cougar sightings increase

September 14, 2005

By DAN JOHNSON
ARGUS-COURIER STAFF

They are powerful, cagey, elusive and secretive creatures who generally don't like people, deeply resent others stepping into their territory and show no mercy for those they prey upon in the blackness of night.

In these ways, they can be likened to Al Capone, Lucky Luciano and other former lords of the underworld.

But the similarities pretty much end there, for unlike the criminal element, they largely are scared of even the most timid of people and fulfill an important, constructive role in their environment.

They are the several thousand mountain lions who roam California's deserts, forests and almost every conceivable terrain in between.

Recently, more mountain lion sightings have been reported in the Petaluma area, yet the animal's mystique often veils its true nature, so its potential threat to human beings often is not understood.

On Aug. 19 and 21, two separate sightings were reported around the 500 block of I Street, and on Sept. 5, two different sightings were described in a field on Bantam Way, near Larch Drive.

"It seems that there has been an increase in reported mountain lion sightings in the northern California area, but it's hard to tell because often, several people report seeing the same mountain lion," said Allan Buckmann, a wildlife biologist for the California Department of Fish and Game. "We had nine calls in one day from Contra Costa County, with people each describing a sighting along the same area of open space.

"Sometimes, people mistake lions and panthers for house cats or other animals, but we have had a few confirmed sightings in Petaluma this year, mainly in Helen Putnam Regional Park, and have found pawprints. When I do a question-and-answer session with someone reporting a sighting, I usually can tell if theyÕve actually seen a mountain lion."

Mountain lions -- commonly known as cougars, panthers and pumas -- are tawny colored with black-tipped ears and a tail. Mountain lion kittens, or cubs, are covered with blackish-brown spots and have dark rings around their tales. These markings fade as they mature. Adult males may be over eight feet long, including their tail, and generally weigh between 130 and 150 pounds, while adult females are up to seven feet long and weigh between 65 and 90 pounds.

A mountain lion's natural life span is about 12 years in the wild and 25 years in captivity.

They usually hunt alone, at night, and like to ambush their prey from behind. Mountain lions usually kill prey with a powerful bite below the base of the skull, breaking the neck. Other large animals, such as bears and lions, are their natural enemies, while big-horn sheep, deer, elk and other mountain lions are some of their prey. Mountain lions typically kill their prey at around 11:30 p.m., Buckmann said.

"Lions have twice as good night vision as humans," he added.

As people increasingly have encroached upon territory inhabited by animals and maintained tempting food supplies, reported sightings have increased.

"In Petaluma, most of the reported sightings have been toward the hills, but mountain lions also follow creek drainage. They could be anywhere," Buckmann said.

As a rule, they don't find people very appetizing.

"Almost everyone who has been in the woods has been seen by a mountain lion, so they've had millions of opportunities to attack, but since 1890, only six deaths and 17 attacks have been attributed to them in California," Buckmann said. "By comparison, 17 or 18 people are killed each year by rattlesnakes in the state."

Attacks are possible, he acknowledges.

"People should be careful when jogging or riding bicycles on deer trails at dawn and dusk, because mountain lions hunt then," Buckmann said, adding that attacks sometimes occur when people are mistaken for deer or other prey.

The California Department of Fish and Game has issued a brochure, "Living with California Mountain Lions," that outlines how to prevent possible problems. The brochure advises people to refrain from feeding wildlife that could inadvertently attract mountain lions; remove vegetation that provides a hiding place for them; install outdoor lighting; keep pets and livestock secure and keep children safe.

People are told to hike in groups, with adults supervising children; attempt to appear larger if a lion is spotted and fight back if attacked. People should not approach or run from the animal or bend over, the brochure suggests.

Anyone encountering a mountain lion face-to-face is asked to contact the California Department of Fish and Game's 24-hour dispatch center at (916) 445-0045.

But Buckmann again assures that the likelihood of attacks is minimal.

"People are more likely to be struck by lightning than be killed by mountain lions. They really don't like people," he said.

While people generally find it reassuring to know that mountain lions don't like them or care about what they do, this also can be a major blow to the human ego, perhaps the most fragile in the animal kingdom.

Buckmann provides some necessary clarification.

"All I care about is that they don't like to eat people. I don't really know what they think about people otherwise," he said, laughing.

(Contact Dan Johnson at djohnson@arguscourier.com)
 
The wilderness ought to be populated with dangerous beasts. Up the grizzlies, the panthers, the rattlesnakes, the wolfpacks, the Lyme-bearing ticks, the wild boars, the gila monsters, etc, say I. The outdoors is not Disneyland.
 
rosco rathbone said:
The wilderness ought to be populated with dangerous beasts. Up the grizzlies, the panthers, the rattlesnakes, the wolfpacks, the Lyme-bearing ticks, the wild boars, the gila monsters, etc, say I. The outdoors is not Disneyland.

Uh, pardon me Mr Rathbone, but when is the last time you got out of the city?
 
After I read the article, I got the impression that obviously LT had not.
 
LovingTongue said:
What kind of idiot portrays cougars as being any more threatening than a bunny rabbit?

I'm really confused on this one. Are you saying that you think cougars or moutain lions are no more dangerous than rabbits?

Would that be your regular garden variety rabbit or the murderous one named Tim in the Monty Python movie?

I don't think a catamount is necessarily going to go out of its way to attack me but if it did... most unpleasant.
 
SaintPeter said:
Uh, pardon me Mr Rathbone, but when is the last time you got out of the city?

Ahem. A tick bit me when I was at my mother's farm in Madison County, Va during month of 6-05. At that time I also viewed a beaver dam, some bugs, and various birds and bees,
 
I have gotten a good look at more than one panther at close range in the wild.

I see one I'm clipping his ass.

Note, I rolled one twice with a twelve gauge using 00 buckshot three inch magnums and he still got away.
 
rosco rathbone said:
Ahem. A tick bit me when I was at my mother's farm in Madison County, Va during month of 6-05. At that time I also viewed a beaver dam, some bugs, and various birds and bees,

Ok. Just checking. Thought maybe your information came from the petting zoo in the Village. :)


/sarcasm
 
SaintPeter said:
Ok. Just checking. Thought maybe your information came from the petting zoo in the Village. :)


/sarcasm

Just because I've been to some homo petting zoos does not make me not be an outdoorsman.
 
fgarvb1 said:
I have gotten a good look at more than one panther at close range in the wild.

I see one I'm clipping his ass.

Note, I rolled one twice with a twelve gauge using 00 buckshot three inch magnums and he still got away.

Damn. I only keep the 00 mags around for 'special uninvited' guests.
 
rosco rathbone said:
Just because I've been to some homo petting zoos does not make me not be an outdoorsman.

Just because I screwed my sister does not make me an IronWorker.

:)

Stay cool, my brother
 
SaintPeter said:
Damn. I only keep the 00 mags around for 'special uninvited' guests.


It was. :D

I was deer hunting and I noticed it getting a drink at the pond as I was entering my mothers front yard.

I rolled it there and again as it jumped off the pond dam and ran into the woods.

I did NOT go looking for it.
 
If you go out in the wilds, always remember, there is something bigger & faster than you out there. That's why you have to be smarter. <---My Dad would tell us that when we would take off for weekend camping trips to Badger/2 Medicine area or Bob Marshall wilderness.

It's their home, not ours. :catroar:
 
I buy a cougar tag every year along with my deer and elk tags. I want to be able to take one if I get the chance.

They banned hunting with hounds here in Oregon about five years ago and the cougar population has really grown. Cougar sightings in town are becoming more common as they follow the deer out of the mountains in the winter. Cougars also make a quick meals of pet cats and dogs.

They have their place in nature but when the population starts impacting the number of deer and elk I'm in favor of managing their numbers.
 
rosco rathbone said:
The wilderness ought to be populated with dangerous beasts. Up the grizzlies, the panthers, the rattlesnakes, the wolfpacks, the Lyme-bearing ticks, the wild boars, the gila monsters, etc, say I. The outdoors is not Disneyland.
Aymen to that. Except for the Lyme thing. That's some nasty assed shit. I wish we could find a way to keep humans from encroaching on animal habitats; for the time being, Federally protected land is the only optimal solution I can see.

Go to Havaii :D and see for yourself the stark difference between state/Federal protected land and non protected land...
 
Lavared said:
I'm really confused on this one. Are you saying that you think cougars or moutain lions are no more dangerous than rabbits?

Would that be your regular garden variety rabbit or the murderous one named Tim in the Monty Python movie?

I don't think a catamount is necessarily going to go out of its way to attack me but if it did... most unpleasant.
Actually, when I said I'm afraid of cougars and such, Pookie claimed that also meant I must be afraid of little wabbits. As if she couldn't tell the difference. My opening line was pure sarcasm :D
 
breakwall said:
After I read the article, I got the impression that obviously LT had not.


Then stop reading "facts" and you can agree with LT on every subject.
 
HS, you know sarcasm. How would you rate LT's opening line for purity of sarcasm?
 
hook848 said:
Cougars also make a quick meals of pet cats and dogs.

As well as small children and livestock. Here you don't have to have a license to shoot them. Ranchers have free reign to shoot every mountain lion they see. And they do.

I am not as worried about mountain lions as I am bears though, most grizzly. They prowl through town at night here looking for garbage cans and dumpsters that aren't well-locked. I used to love to go jogging at night, but after moving here I'm too scared. With not only bears but also mountain lions prowling the streets, it is not a good idea to be running around like easy prey after dark.
 
phrodeau said:
HS, you know sarcasm. How would you rate LT's opening line for purity of sarcasm?

We got sarcasm up here too, but not LTs particular flavour. Ours is funny.
 
HeavyStump knows sarcasm like Paris Hilton knows running a farm.

Phrodeau, you're a great ass wiper but you absolutely suck at everything else.
 
Zilla said:
I used to love to go jogging at night, but after moving here I'm too scared. With not only bears but also mountain lions prowling the streets, it is not a good idea to be running around like easy prey after dark.

Smart thinking. I taught my children that to a carnivore run=prey. We don't have mountain lions or bears here but far too many people have mean dogs.
 
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