Hey, Lefties

[Frizzle_Fry]

You might want to re-read my post, chum. You're agreeing with me...

I know...eyeor and I have hashed this out a long time ago, I just wanted to put the whole thing in the language of asshole.

 

[eyer]

Whenever you claim that Islam does, you display an unnuanced ignorance that hurts your otherwise well-formed--often informed--point of view.

Were not you the one who stated that terrorists find understandable basis for the murderous insanity they commit in the Koran?

Do you deny Islam's doctrinal demand that we are all Muslim? Do you also deny the doctrinal reality of Dar al- Islam and Dar al-harb?

And you ignore the crystal clear, political - read secular - operating existence of the Islamic birthplace: Saudi Arabia...and the secular machanisms of every other Islamic country.

Yet, your defiant claim is there is nothing secular in Islam? Why? Because that's what Islam says?

Is that really propaganda you wish to swallow?

The same non-secular nonsense that all secular "religions" spew?

Tell me, Sonny: where in Christ's Words did He teach His followers to rebel against the Romans? Where did He instruct them that if folks didn't listen to Him, violence was an option? Where did He command them that there was no difference between this world and the Kingdom of Heaven?

Christ's Way is the only non-secular option available to man. Everything else is of this world: secular.

Judaism eventually became predominantely secular (because they believed more in themselves - man - than in the God who created them), and those Jews who insisted they were the "religious" ones of God and that Jesus was the secular outsider, have only Him to save them from their own secularly convicted fate. You do remember that Christ came to save them first from their own "religion"...don't you?

The Way is the only path to the Kingdom of God, laid out straight from the lips of His Son.

It was first in secular Antioch that those who truly desired to follow His Word were labeled "christians"; 300+ years later, it was secular Rome that commandered "Christianity" as its state, catholic (universal) "religion"...

...give Ceasar what is Ceasar's and give God what is His, eternally separates the faithful from the secular.

300+ years later again, a man named Mohammed had a vision and another "religion" was born...but this man's "religion" could only be advanced by force and conquest, not simply by the way, the example, the man lived himself.

I do not argue these facts because of preference...I state unequivocally that all "religion" is secular, regardless of what you or Muslims or Jews or Christians or any other "religion" believe(s).

All "religion" is of man; therefore, all "religion" is secular.

 

[eyer]

I know...eyeor and I have hashed this out a long time ago, I just wanted to put the whole thing in the language of asshole.

There's always room for another ahole, eh?

Good to see you post again, Frizzle...

 

[Frizzle_Fry]

There's always room for another ahole, eh?

Good to see you post again, Frizzle...

Well...get enough Jameson in me and I might just use any excuse to get on a metaphysical soap box. Cheers!

 

[Colonel Hogan]

I do not argue these facts because of preference...I state unequivocally that all "religion" is secular, regardless of what you or Muslims or Jews or Christians or any other "religion" believe(s).

All "religion" is of man; therefore, all "religion" is secular.

Quite apart from your personal "spiritual" beliefs, the common usage of the word "secular" is to distinguish between ANY avowed religious or spiritual teaching as held by others. The Oxford English Dictionary declined to mediate, rather wisely I'd say, the authenticity of competing religions, doctrines or philosophies.

Sonny is using the language correctly as it is normally used.

 

[busybody..]

Muslims have killed in the name of their religion. So have Christians. So have Jews. Each religion has very prominent prohibitions against killing. Each religion has, in its scripture, language that sounds horrifically violent in isolation, that seems to contradict its own prohibitions. None of those three religions, read in informed context, valorizes violence. Whenever you claim that Islam does, you display an unnuanced ignorance that hurts your otherwise well-formed--often informed--point of view.

Im not sure if anyone has said this

Would be surprised if they didnt

While its true that ALL RELIGIONS have killed in the name of their religion

It can be said, if one were honest, that ALL religions, save one, has evolved from that

And no longer do kill in teh name of their religion

Which makes the Muslim killings, DAILY and GLOBALLY stock out that much more

 

[busybody..]

From NRO

by Jonah Goldberg

Okay a lot of people continue to insist Sarah Palin’s Facebook map with some crosshairs on vulnerable districts amounts to incitement to murder, even though the exact same sort of map is fairly common currency among liberals and Democrats, too. And the connection between Palin’s map and the deranged murderer’s actions are nothing like proven, or even credible.

Well, let’s take them at their word.

Let us “hold our fire” and talk no more of “campaigns.”

Let us ban the phrase “over the top” even when discussing over the top rhetoric.

Never again must we focus on “battleground states” or even cast our eyes on a “battleground” poll.

Goodbye ad “blitzes,” “ad wars,” and “air wars” too. Politicians shouldn’t “fire when ready” or unready. And aides should never jump on even a figurative grenade.

This is the end of to union-launched “offensives” in the “trenches” and the demise of full-on “assaults.”

Let’s not discuss the “nuclear option,” and call an end to the “wars” on poverty and cancer.

We must liberate ourselves from our “bunkers” and forget “defending our territory” electorally or metaphorically. Likewise, let us never speak again of opening a new “front” here, there or anywhere.

Purge from the history books Al Gore’s oath to “stand and fight” and John Kerry’s schmaltzy “reporting for duty.”

Alas, I cannot think of what to call this cessation in militaristic discourse, since none dare call is a “truce” or a “ceasefire.”

 

[busybody..]

Could Jared Loughner Win 2011 Lefty Of The Year Award?

If what his acquaintances are saying about him in this article at Yahoo is true, then he would certainly have my vote.


Truther: √


Pro Abortion: √


Ardent Atheist: √


Favorite Books: “Animal Farm” , “Brave New World” “Mein Kampf,” “The Communist Manifesto,” “Peter Pan” and “Aesop’s Fables”.

Pot Head: √

Self Impressed With Own Intellect: √

Smug: √


Dislikes America: √


Lack of respect for American Law and Currency: √


Nihilistic: √

Frustrated By The Dummy Masses: √


Uses violence as way of resolving political differences: √


Engages in new-wave psychological theory: √

 

[unregistered]

 

[busybody..]

the craziness of teh LEFT doesnt stop

Former Dem Sen. Bob Kerrey Says Giffords Shooter Was Angry Because GOP Was Trying to Repeal ObamaCare…
Oh no he didn’t…


…oh yes he did.

“It’s one of the reasons this guy was angry” (2:25 min mark)

 

[busybody..]

caziness of LEFT continues

Now: NYT’s Paul Krugman Blames Giffords Shooting on Right-Wing Rhetoric. Before: Kurgman Encourages Lefties to Hang Sen. Lieberman in Effigy…


Hypocrisy, thy name is Paul Krugman.

(December 17, 2009- Paul Krugman)- A message to progressives: By all means, hang Senator Joe Lieberman in effigy. Declare that you’re disappointed in and/or disgusted with President Obama. Demand a change in Senate rules that, combined with the Republican strategy of total obstructionism, are in the process of making America ungovernable.

But meanwhile, pass the health care bill.

Yes, the filibuster-imposed need to get votes from “centrist” senators has led to a bill that falls a long way short of ideal. Worse, some of those senators seem motivated largely by a desire to protect the interests of insurance companies — with the possible exception of Mr. Lieberman, who seems motivated by sheer spite.

Day of shooting:

(NYT- Paul Krugman)- You know that Republicans will yell about the evils of partisanship whenever anyone tries to make a connection between the rhetoric of Beck, Limbaugh, etc. and the violence I fear we’re going to see in the months and years ahead. But violent acts are what happen when you create a climate of hate. And it’s long past time for the GOP’s leaders to take a stand against the hate-mongers.

 

[busybody..]

LEFTY craziness continues

Pant Suits Tells Muslims: Hey, You Know We Have “Extremists on TV” Just Like You Guys, Links Giffords Shooter to 9/11 Attackers…


Yeah, she’s trying to claim people like Glenn Beck are equivalent to the Islamist clerics who preach jihad and hatred for Jews and Christians on Arab TV.

(Reuters) – Secretary of State Hillary Clinton called the shooter who attacked Arizona congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords an “extremist,” and said people worldwide should reject radical ideologies.

Clinton, speaking on Monday in the United Arab Emirates, made the comment in response to a question about the September 11, 2001 attacks, carried out by al Qaeda.

A student at a town hall-style meeting asked why U.S. opinion often blames the entire Arab world for 9/11. Clinton said this was due to misperceptions and the media impact of political violence.

“We have extremists in my country. A wonderful, incredibly brave young woman Congress member, Congresswoman Giffords, was just shot by an extremist in our country,” she added.

…”The extremists and their voices, the crazy voices that sometimes get on the TV, that’s not who we are, that’s not who you are, and what we have to do is get through that and make it clear that that doesn’t represent either American or Arab ideas or opinions,” she said.

 

[Sonny Limatina]

Busybody, read the OP. Fuck off with these please.

 

[busybody..]

I understand

I think its a must read

 

[neci]

Gabe Zimmerman, 30

Dorwin Stoddard, 76

Christina Greene, 9

Dorthy Murray, 76

Phyllis Scheck, 79

U.S. District Judge John Roll, 63

all this anger and finger pointing. not one person on lit has posted the names of the victims. are we too busy spinning this to remember?

 

[mustang200]

Sarah Palin, the cunt, posts a map on her site with a target on the Congresswoman that was shot today.

Do you think these two actions are a coincidence?

And the Democratic Leadership Conference had bullseyes on the districts that they were "targeting." They even used the word "Target."

Wake up. The problem is not politics, it is our problem. We, as a society, have decided to ignore the mentally ill among us. That decision was made in the late 60s/ early 70s. The mental hospitals were closed and the patients were turned out on the streets. Money was promised to pay for their meds, but was never forthcoming.

Who did that? Hmmmm, as I recall, it was the people now labeled as liberal or progressive. It was done in the name of "Humanity," they could not stand to see humans caged in the hospitals. They were right about that part, but failed miserably when it came time for the follow-up, making sure these folks got their medicines.

Do you now where the largest psychiatric hospital is located? It is located inside the Los Angeles County Jail. A person has to commit a crime, before that person can get medical help.

There is something wrong with this picture.

 

[trysail]

Hey, Lefties.

Stop being idiots and trying to hang this shitty shooting on a party or religion.

Crazy is crazy.

That goes for you too, righties.

☝​

★★★★★

 

[eyer]

Quite apart from your personal "spiritual" beliefs, the common usage of the word "secular" is to distinguish between ANY avowed religious or spiritual teaching as held by others. The Oxford English Dictionary declined to mediate, rather wisely I'd say, the authenticity of competing religions, doctrines or philosophies.

Sonny is using the language correctly as it is normally used.

Of course, I beg to differ, Colonel...

"secular" simply - commonly - means of this world, of man. It is used to clearly distinguish things of this world from the ill-used "religious", and/or spiritual world...eg, secular music (The Wall) vs spiritual music (Oh, The Blood of Jesus).

This, of course, is exactly how Sonny used it in his false statement I took issue with.

There simply is no secular life, there is only religious life.

Sonny states this as an absolute fact of Islam...which is absolutely impossible if man is involved at all in Islam.

"no secular life" is not possible in this physical world, ie, all things of this physical world - no matter how any one of us chooses to define them - are secular by nature...because they are of this, secular, physical world.

The very definition of secular is secular...

Arguably the single most, agreed-upon "divine" (not of this world, in this "usage") entity in history is Christ...and even he was secularly human.

To maintain that "There simply is no secular life" in Islam is absolutely ridiculous, because there cannot be any absence of secularity in its own existence - this world. One might as well argue that Islam has nothing to do with this world...

All "religion" is of man; therefore, all "religion" is secular.

Again:

Everything of man is of this world...therefore it is secular.

Everything of God, however, is divine.

 

[Sonny Limatina]

I understand the distinction you're trying to draw, but I think it's a red herring. In both latter cases, their insanity is their politics (or religion, in al Qaeda's case), not the other way around. It's hung on some marginal element of doctrine or scripture. But the insanity comes first.

In which the Secret Service hearlity agrees with me:

Fame Through Assassination: A Secret Service Study
by Alix Spiegel

...[O]ne thing Borum and Fein say about choosing a political figure...is that the would-be assassins are able to associate themselves with a broader political movement or goal. That allows them to see themselves as not such a bad person. In this way, Borum says, assassins are basically murderers in search of a cause.

"People make decisions to act, and then from that, construct for themselves and potentially for others a narrative about why that is OK, or what the rationale would be, or how this could be justified," Borum says. "It's sort of a reverse pattern from what we would typically think."

http://www.npr.org/2011/01/14/132909487/fame-through-assassination-a-secret-service-study

 

[islandman]

Lefty

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