Hey Gringao you were right... gasoline lines are pilin' up in Hawaii!!

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NOT!!!

Actually, it's happening in the mainland of the US of A right now. Right here where price controls don't exist and the free market rules.

Gringao wept!

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/050902/katrina_gas_prices_hk3.html?.v=2

AP
Retail Gas Prices Jump, Deliveries Falter
Friday September 2, 2:42 am ET
By Greg Bluestein, Associated Press Writer
Retail Gas Prices Jump Over $3 a Gallon, Deliveries Falter as Katrina's Energy Effects Spread

"Out of Gas" signs and yellow caution tape were draped across pumps in parts of the United States early Thursday after many retailers were overrun by panicked motorists looking to top off their tanks as prices soared past $3 per gallon and reports of shortages spread.

Gas stations in and around downtown Atlanta had temporarily run out of gas. The same was reported elsewhere, including parts of North Carolina, West Virginia, Wisconsin and Arizona. Many retailers who did have gas had no clue when their next shipments would come in.

"People have kind of panicked and they're waiting in long lines because they're afraid the prices are going to go up," said Jan Vineyard, executive director of the West Virginia Oil Marketers And Grocers Association. "We're going to have some outages."

Price hikes were first evident at stations nationwide Wednesday as gasoline costs breached $3 a gallon for the first time in numerous states, the result of fuel pipeline shutdowns and delayed deliveries since Hurricane Katrina devastated Louisiana and Mississippi earlier this week.

"Everybody is panicking. They think there's not going to be any gas," said Keturah Jackson, a clerk at a gas station in Atlanta's upscale Buckhead district.

Gas prices jumped by more than 50 cents a gallon Wednesday in Ohio, 40 cents in Georgia and 30 cents in Maine. In southern Illinois, gas prices at some stations jumped more than 50 cents in less than four hours Thursday morning.

The increases followed price spikes on wholesale and futures markets Tuesday after the hurricane knocked off-line refineries and pipeline links along the Gulf Coast that provide about a third of the country's gasoline supplies.

Concerns are now mounting over limited supplies of gasoline, including the possible return of long lines and scarcity reminiscent of the 1970s gas crisis.

"It's crazy," said Mike Currie, shaking his head as he topped off his truck's tank with gas at a station in his hometown of Bismarck, N.D. "I'm going to have to consider buying a Moped."

In trading in Thursday, continuing fears about tight supplies caused by Katrina caused gasoline futures to jump more than 16 cents a gallon on the New York Mercantile Exchange. Analysts expected some relief once electricity is restored to Gulf Coast pipelines and refineries, but they are unsure how long that will take.

This week's increases come atop a 40 percent price rise in the last year that boosted the average retail price of unleaded regular to $2.61 a gallon nationwide last week, Energy Department figures show.

"We don't have a shortage of gasoline. We have a delivery problem," said Bill Weatherspoon, executive director of the North Carolina Petroleum Council, which represents major retailers that get gasoline from the pipelines.

The situation was worse in areas closer to the hurricane's path. In southwest Alabama, gas lines of 100 cars were commonplace early Thursday, extending out onto entrance ramps along Interstate 10. And most of the gas stations were closed, not for a lack of gas but for a lack of electricity to pump it. People were sitting in their cars for hours in anticipation of when power would be restored and the pumps working again.

Brian Scapecchi of Foley, Ala., saw the long lines at gas stations Wednesday and opted to return to a 24-hour station in the middle of the night in hopes the lines would be shorter. He guessed right, and was able to fill up at 12:40 a.m. Thursday.

"I'm sure it will be taken care of in a couple of weeks, but I'm not taking any trips," said Scapecchi, vowing to converse gas and avoid going anywhere over the Labor Day weekend.

Although police in Charlotte, N.C., reported prior to daybreak that only 30 of Mecklenbur County's 230 fueling stations were out of gas, that number appeared to grow considerably Thursday as drivers continued to crowd the open stations, fearing a shortage. On some busy streets, stations that did have gas were seeing lines that were causing traffic backups.

Charles Richardson, assistant manager of a gas station in Charlotte, said his was one of the few stations in the city that had received gas since Monday. "We ran out yesterday, but we got a drop this morning," he said.

The market did receive some help Wednesday when the federal government said it would loan oil from the Strategic Petroleum Reserve to refiners facing shortfalls. And the Environmental Protection Agency said it would temporarily allow gasoline retailers nationwide to sell fuel that does not meet stringent summer air-quality standards.

Several gas stations in the Milwaukee area ran out of gas for several hours at the time. The outages were blamed more on logistical problems on the supply end than any increase in demand.

"Everybody is really trying hard. But it has been very, very difficult to get enough gasoline," said Jim Fiene, senior vice president of the Open Pantry convenience store-gasoline station chain in southeast Wisconsin.

The problems soon could extend far beyond motorists' wallets. Energy experts say they are concerned about how hurricane damage to Gulf Coast natural gas and heating oil facilities will affect heating bills this winter. Rising jet fuel costs because of the hurricane also have put additional pressure on cash-strapped airlines.

In Georgia and North Carolina, state officials asked residents to conserve gas and government workers were ordered to limit nonessential travel. A suburban Atlanta vanpooling program also reported a 50 percent jump in participants since Hurricane Katrina slammed into the Gulf Coast on Monday.

Atlanta's commuter rail system also saw increased traffic Thursday.

"I can tell you there are definitely a lot more people riding today. This lot is never nearly this full this early," said long-time rail commuter Tony Williams, referring to a packed parking lot at a train station east of Atlanta.

Herbie Howard, who owns four stations in Toledo, Ohio, and supplies gas to 17 others, spent hours on the phone hunting a decent price from his suppliers. He had to pay $3.18 a gallon -- 9 cents more than he was selling it for.

"We aren't making any money," he said. "We're just minimizing our loses, but no one believes you. They think we're price gouging."

At one of the few stations open in Charlotte Wednesday night, Steve Clifford, 48, pumped fuel into his Isuzu sport utility vehicle.

"I heard it was going to go up to $4 a gallon tomorrow and there were going to be shortages, so when I got home from work I kissed my wife goodbye and said I was going out to find gas," he said.

Associated Press writers Michelle Saxton in Beckley, W.Va., Tim Whitmire in Charlotte, N.C., James MacPherson in Bismarck, N.D., David Sharp in Yarmouth, Maine, John Hartzell in Milwaukee, Gary D. Robertson in Raleigh, N.C., John Seewer in Toledo, Ohio, Jay Reeves in Foley, Ala., and Jeffrey Gold in Newark, N.J., contributed to this report.
 
Give it time. The honeymoon lasted a couple of months in Brazil. Then the crunch came. I'd expect about that in Hawaii.
 
Gringao said:
Give it time. The honeymoon lasted a couple of months in Brazil. Then the crunch came. I'd expect about that in Hawaii.
The honeymoon is over in the mainland US, dude. Gasoline lines as of yesterday. The only way we're getting out of this now is from foreign aid.

Foreign aid for America. From the same people you called socialist devils. Can you believe that shit?

And when peak oil hits in 2010 as Exoon-Mobil say it will, gas prices are really going to skyrocket.
 
LovingTongue said:
I guess WriterDumb and Gringao aren't man enough to admit they were wrong.


Do I call you names Mr. LovingHisTongueUpIsh'sAssHole?

I see no gas lines. And doubt you'll be riding this dead horse much longer.
 
LovingTongue said:
The honeymoon is over in the mainland US, dude. Gasoline lines as of yesterday. The only way we're getting out of this now is from foreign aid.

Foreign aid for America. From the same people you called socialist devils. Can you believe that shit?

And when peak oil hits in 2010 as Exoon-Mobil say it will, gas prices are really going to skyrocket.

Foreign aid? What the fuck are you talking about?
 
I think LT expects the Martians to share their flux transducer technology.
 
WriterDom said:
Do I call you names Mr. LovingHisTongueUpIsh'sAssHole?

I see no gas lines. And doubt you'll be riding this dead horse much longer.
Hey WriterDumbHeadUpHisOwnAss, read this article.

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/050902/katrina_gas_prices_hk3.html?.v=2

""Out of Gas" signs and yellow caution tape were draped across pumps in parts of the United States early Thursday after many retailers were overrun by panicked motorists looking to top off their tanks as prices soared past $3 per gallon and reports of shortages spread.

Gas stations in and around downtown Atlanta had temporarily run out of gas. The same was reported elsewhere, including parts of North Carolina, West Virginia, Wisconsin and Arizona. Many retailers who did have gas had no clue when their next shipments would come in."

"People have kind of panicked and they're waiting in long lines because they're afraid the prices are going to go up," said Jan Vineyard, executive director of the West Virginia Oil Marketers And Grocers Association. "We're going to have some outages.""

You were saying?
 
Gringao said:
Foreign aid? What the fuck are you talking about?
You and Phrodeau have just been smacked the fuck down.
Game over. You lose AGAIN!

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20050902/bs_nm/markets_oil_dc_73

Reuters
Oil drops as Europe plans U.S. oil aid



By Janet McBride and Peg Mackey 48 minutes ago

LONDON (Reuters) - Oil prices fell by $2 a barrel on Friday as Europe prepared to tap up to two million barrels a day of emergency reserves to help ease a fuel crisis threatening the United States.

Petrol tanks have run down in the world's biggest consumer after Hurricane Katrina tore at the heart of the U.S. energy sector in the Gulf of Mexico on Monday and shut in nearly two million barrels per day (bpd) of refining capacity.

As the crisis deepened,
President George W. Bush asked the International Energy Agency (IEA) to release petrol reserves and urged Americans to conserve fuel.

U.S. crude was off $1.57 to $67.90 at 1020 EDT, after dropping more than $2 a barrel to $67.30. NYMEX will be shut on Monday for the U.S. Labor Day holiday that marks the end of driving season. London Brent was down $1.39 to $66.33.

The Paris-based IEA says it is still consulting members and awaiting a report on the extent of Katrina's damage to U.S. Gulf refiners before deciding on a stock release.

But European allies said they were prepared to spring to the rescue of the United States. Germany and Spain said they would back the IEA, coordinator of emergency reserves for 26 OECD countries, if it asked them to dip into stocks.

German Chancellor
Gerhard Schroeder said a release of 60 million barrels over 30 days was under consideration.

"We assume that would lead to there being sufficient energy reserves in the market and, second, we would wish the pressure on the prices of oil products to be lessened," Schroeder said.

It would take about 10 days for gasoline from the continent to reach the United States once a decision is taken. Europe has already booked up to 30 cargoes of petrol to ship to the United States, leading brokers to warn of an impending vessel shortage.

Gasoline prices, which have led the market's gains on fears that already low stockpiles would be squeezed severely, traded 19.40 cents lower at $2.215 a gallon.

President George W. Bush warned retailers about price gouging as New Orleans and the Gulf Coast struggled to recover from one of the nation's most savage storms.

Washington loaned out emergency crude supplies, eased environmental regulations on motor fuels and waived a shipping law to allow better flow of oil into the Gulf region, where most oil output and eight refineries were idled for a fifth day.

Some regional pipelines also started pumping supplies around the country and power was restored to a number of plants.

But the U.S. government said it might take months to recover from the killer storm, which struck at the core of an industry already running nearly flat-out to satisfy two years of exceptionally strong demand growth around the world.

Canada's oil companies could defer autumn maintenance at refineries to maximize gasoline exports south of the border.

Gasoline supply fears have overshadowed the loss of nearly all Gulf of Mexico crude production, a quarter of the nation's total, which is more easily compensated with robust commercial stockpiles, strategic inventories or additional
OPEC output.

(Additional reporting by Paul Marriott in Sydney)
 
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20050902/ts_nm/energy_katrina_europe_wrap_dc_3

Reuters
Europe to send emergency oil to US



By Caroline Jacobs 28 minutes ago

PARIS (Reuters) - Europe will dip into its emergency stocks of gasoline to help the United States through an energy crisis that began when Hurricane Katrina smashed into Gulf coast refiners, EU governments said on Friday.

France, Germany and Spain said they were ready and able to send fuel across the Atlantic in an operation coordinated by the West's energy watchdog, the International Energy Agency. A U.S. government official confirmed Washington had asked for help and said most of the gasoline would come from Europe.

EU nations have watched in horror as the world's richest country struggles with the aftermath of Katrina. Thousands are feared dead and troops in the flooded city of New Orleans have been told to shoot-to-kill to crack down on looting.

Gasoline prices have soared by nearly a fifth over the past week and
President George W. Bush has urged Americans to go easy on fuel. Unlike the IEA, the United States has only emergency reserves of crude and a small stockpile of heating oil.

"It's self-evident that we support the American bid," German Chancellor
Gerhard Schroeder told a news conference in Berlin.

France echoed Schroeder's remarks: "France accepts the IEA's request to release strategic oil reserves, thus responding favorably to the U.S. demand," the Industry Ministry said.

But Europe's pledge of gasoline may carry a political price for Washington. Differences over trade and foreign policy have strained relations between the United States and some EU member states including Germany and France.

Schroeder expected a massive two million barrels per day of oil to be shipped to the United States over the next month. The United States has lost about one million bpd of gasoline output.

"We assume that would lead to there being sufficient energy reserves in the market and, second, we would wish the pressure on the prices of oil products to be lessened," Schroeder said.

Speaking at a meeting of EU foreign ministers in Wales, EU foreign policy chief Javier Solana said: "Whatever the United States asks for they will be given."

IEA TO MAKE FORMAL REQUEST FOR OIL

A Spanish official told Reuters the IEA had contacted Madrid on Thursday and indicated there would be a formal request for oil on Friday. Spain wanted a "balanced proposal" involving all IEA members - 26 industrialized nations including Japan.

"We are waiting (for the IEA request) and I think we will tell them 'yes'," a spokesman at Spain's Industry Ministry said.

British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw told a news conference it was up to each country to respond to the best of its ability. But he did not say whether Britain would release any of its reserves.

Crude oil prices have hit levels unseen in real terms since 1980 - the year of the
Iran-
Iraq war and a year after the Iranian revolution that choked off supply lines.

Prices fell by $1.67 a barrel to $67.80 on Friday on news that Europe was riding to the aid of the United States. Gasoline also eased.

But European oil will take at least 10 days to reach U.S. shores and tanker space is in short supply with many commercial ships already under charter and crossing the Atlantic.

The Paris-based IEA declined to confirm it would release oil to the United States. "We're still consulting with all our members and the damage assessment is still going on," an IEA spokeswoman said on Friday.

EU members Germany, France, Spain and Italy have substantial emergency reserves. The IEA last dipped into its emergency reserves in 1991 when a U.S.-led coalition ejected Iraqi troops from Kuwait. The agency, created after the 1973-74 oil crisis to protect consumers, must hold stocks of 90 days of net imports.

(Additional reporting by Juan Navarro and Emma Ross-Thomas in Madrid, Dave Graham in Berlin and Pieter Nielsen in Brussels)
 
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20050901/wl_canada_nm/canada_energy_canada_katrina_col_2

Reuters
Canada searches for ways to help U.S. oil industry



By Jeffrey Jones Thu Sep 1, 6:37 PM ET

CALGARY, Alberta (Reuters) - Canada's oil companies are considering pushing back autumn maintenance at refineries as one way to help alleviate U.S. gasoline shortages caused by Hurricane Katrina, an industry official said on Thursday.

However, there are no specific emergency provisions within the North American Free Trade Agreement under which more petroleum products or crude oil can be shipped to the United States, said Greg Stringham, vice-president of the Canadian Association of Petroleum Producers.

"We'll do whatever we can, as is humanly possible. If they can help identify what the needs are, we'll try and meet them," Stringham told Reuters.

CAPP, the industry's main lobby group, was involved in talks with the Canadian, Alberta and U.S. governments on Thursday to determine ways to lessen the energy crisis that has followed the hurricane's rampage through the Gulf of Mexico.

Canada jockeys with Saudi Arabia, Mexico and Venezuela as top oil supplier to the United States and is the No. 1 foreign natural gas supplier. The industry normally produces every drop all it can, so has little extra fuel in reserve to send.

Pushing back maintenance at refineries as well as at pipelines will keep Canada's capacity to supply U.S. markets as large as possible when the supplies are needed most, Stringham said.

Canadian
Prime Minister Paul Martin said he had asked Alberta Premier Ralph Klein if there are ways the country's biggest oil-producing province can help the U.S. energy situation.

"The premier said he would look at this," Martin told reporters in Calgary.

"What we're doing is to simply say to Canadians in a wide range of areas: 'Look, is there something, that if the Americans request it, or it is needed, that you could do?"'

Crude production in the Gulf of Mexico remained cut by more than 90 percent three days after Katrina ripped through the region. Eight refineries in the area were shut down and 11 others were operating at reduced rates.

Most Canadian oil exports to the United States are shipped via the Enbridge Inc. pipeline to the Midwest.

"The biggest thing that seems to be out right now is the refinery capacity down there (the Gulf Coast), and they are also having problems getting oil from the Gulf Coast to some of the Midwest refineries," Stringham said.

He cautioned, however, that Canada already produces as much crude, petroleum products and natural gas as capacity allows.

Enbridge spokesman Jim Rennie said the company's 2 million barrel a day mainline, the world's longest petroleum pipeline system, is pumping near capacity, a situation that had already prompted expansion plans. Those are not close to completion.

High oil and gas prices will spark more drilling in the already-booming western Canada producing region, but Stringham said additional output will take time.

Even before the hurricane damaged U.S. Gulf production facilities, Canadian markets were bracing for record high natural gas prices amid tight North American supplies.

Canada, as a member of the International Energy Agency, would take part in emergency oil sharing operations, but those are to be used in longer-term disruptions, Stringham said.

In addition to oil and gas, officials are discussing sending Canadian power utility crews to help restore the electricity needed to run Gulf Coast refineries and pipelines.
 
Let me guess. Someone is now going to claim that Europe and Canada are not actually going to send us oil and that no foreign aid is coming to the US, and that it's not needed.

Rollin rollin rollin, keep them denials rollin RAWHIDE!!!!
 
Gringao said:
Oh...so they're giving the oil to us?
It's aid in the relative sense. They're talking about dipping into their reserves. Whether they sell or give that to us it's a hit on their rainy day oil fund so yeah, it is charity in every possible way except that it might not be coming for free.
 
LovingTongue said:
It's aid in the relative sense. They're talking about dipping into their reserves. Whether they sell or give that to us it's a hit on their rainy day oil fund so yeah, it is charity in every possible way except that it might not be coming for free.

An interesting concept, LT...charging market prices for charity. Did Indonesia pay that tsunami invoice yet, BTW?
 
Gringao said:
An interesting concept, LT...charging market prices for charity. Did Indonesia pay that tsunami invoice yet, BTW?
That 'aid' to Iraq came at a hell of a price. Yet we still call it 'aid'.

I dunno about you, but dipping into my rainy day fund which could cost me dearly if a hurricane hits my shores and leaves me without oil rigs, is a serious risk.

Europe is about to "give till it hurts" and this is the best you can say about it?
 
Oh yeah and nice diversion. I notice you didn't admit yet that there have been long gas lines in the Red States this week, due to shortages.
 
LovingTongue said:
That 'aid' to Iraq came at a hell of a price. Yet we still call it 'aid'.

I dunno about you, but dipping into my rainy day fund which could cost me dearly if a hurricane hits my shores and leaves me without oil rigs, is a serious risk.

Europe is about to "give till it hurts" and this is the best you can say about it?

I might be wrong, but selling us oil at close to $70 a barrel isn't exactly Mother Theresa-level compassion in my book.

Yes, and supplies to some areas were interrupted because of physical destruction of transportation and refining facilities. Okay.
 
Gringao said:
I might be wrong, but selling us oil at close to $70 a barrel isn't exactly Mother Theresa-level compassion in my book.
Of course, they don't have to sell it to us at all. It is from their reserves, remember.

Yes, and supplies to some areas were interrupted because of physical destruction of transportation and refining facilities. Okay.
And not just in Louisiana, BTW.

BTW: How are those long horrible gasoline lines in Hawaii coming?
 
WriterDom said:
I see no gas lines. And doubt you'll be riding this dead horse much longer.

I didn't see any today either. But it could have something to do with none of those gas stations having any gas today. *shrugs*
 
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