Hey, amazon, really?

[lovecraft68]

Found this browsing amazon today. Many people here have had issues with their, inconsistent to say the least, "content" guidelines.

WE all know their "stance" on incest as well as some other things, but check this one out.

http://www.amazon.com/Beastiality-ebook/dp/B00BOYZG9Q/ref=pd_sim_b_60

And better yet? Look at that ranking. Thing is selling at least 15-20 copies or more daily to have that number.

Looking through the reviews, I read enough to know this is literally sex with a dog(But I guess it can speak? I mean really?)

Unbelievable, but let's not have any "mother" stories up there.

 

[JustaSCOUNDREL]

I do find it interesting what Amazon will and will not sell.

Since Amazon has customer review section the very closely approximates Lit.s I did some figuring and found the single book LC highlighted had a Lit. story score of 4.41.

Out of curiosity I read several reviews written by people who voted 1 for the story and was rather surprised those reviews sounded much like the comments made on some of the LW stories. Several did not like that there was sex between a human and a dog. Had the read the synopsis there should not have been any doubt what the stories were about.

Makes me thing perhaps think the BTB bunch may not simply be an aberration here on Lit, but a reasonable cross section of our society as a whole. Quite honestly a very frightening thought.

To be clear about my thoughts on this subject I am not a fan of ether Bestiality or Incest, I do think LC does have an interesting point. Amazon will not allow stories containing sex between two consenting adults and promotes books with sex between a human and an animal of some kind. Makes me wonder who in the hell is running the operation over at Amazon?

Mike

 

[lovecraft68]

I do find it interesting what Amazon will and will not sell.

Since Amazon has customer review section the very closely approximates Lit.s I did some figuring and found the single book LC highlighted had a Lit. story score of 4.41.

Out of curiosity I read several reviews written by people who voted 1 for the story and was rather surprised those reviews sounded much like the comments made on some of the LW stories. Several did not like that there was sex between a human and a dog. Had the read the synopsis there should not have been any doubt what the stories were about.

Makes me thing perhaps think the BTB bunch may not simply be an aberration here on Lit, but a reasonable cross section of our society as a whole. Quite honestly a very frightening thought.

To be clear about my thoughts on this subject I am not a fan of ether Bestiality or Incest, I do think LC does have an interesting point. Amazon will not allow stories containing sex between two consenting adults and promotes books with sex between a human and an animal of some kind. Makes me wonder who in the hell is running the operation over at Amazon?

Mike

And amazons incest excuse is its a crime. So is having sex with a great Dane.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

And amazons incest excuse is its a crime. So is having sex with a great Dane.

So is murder.

 

[lovecraft68]

But murder is not in their content guidelines
Beastie is

Even smashwords who has hatdly any limits would not allow thos book

 

[Handley_Page]

Anyone taken a quick look at it?
My thoughts:
1. In style, it's a bit like a very inexperienced writer's work ('his 7 inch cock', for example).
2. The writer seems to think Heroin is spelled Heroine.
I think it lacked a good editor.
3. The tenses get a bit mixed at times.
4. I get the impression that English is not the writer's first language and whoever taught him/her didn't, either. I find it difficult to believe that whatever the original language was used such brutal phraseology.
5. He/She /it has a facebook page: Team True Glory,
should anyone actually want to go check it out.

Frankly, apart from the subject matter, it's appallingly written and generally juvenile crap.
Just my view based on a quick shufti, you understand.

 

[R. Richard]

Read the synopsis, hell! All one has to do is look at the cover and you have to know what the subject is.

 

[lovecraft68]

One thing I will add is like hp called out it is horribly written and of course the subject matter is disgusting but the thing is selling very well.

Shows something that makes me laugh. Amazon stresses quality. Their guidelines claim poor quality can get a book rejected yeah sure.

Also the sicker it is the better it sells so their readership is far from high end.

I would love to know how many people read it and return it.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

Hell the title tell us everything we need to know - Beastiality!

and the customers also looked at list....

Doggie Style
› Angelicka Wallows

Doggy Seduction
› N.M Peters

Doggy Style
› N.M Peters

Bad Dog! (Weredog Seduction)
› Ariella Dane

Dog Gone It
› Chelsea Fox

yep, Amazon is fucked up when it comes to consistency.

 

[D_Lynn]

One thing I will add is like hp called out it is horribly written and of course the subject matter is disgusting but the thing is selling very well.

Not as well as you think. The author hid the book in a more obscure category with fewer books as a whole, thus a higher rating. It's in Literature & Fiction > Genre Fiction > Urban Life.

I suspect Amazon doesn't know it's there because no one has reported it, yet. They seem to scan mostly the erotica section.

Hell the title tell us everything we need to know - Beastiality!

and the customers also looked at list....

Doggie Style
› Angelicka Wallows

Doggy Seduction
› N.M Peters

Doggy Style
› N.M Peters

Bad Dog! (Weredog Seduction)
› Ariella Dane

Dog Gone It
› Chelsea Fox

yep, Amazon is fucked up when it comes to consistency.

Most of the books you have listed here have been banned by Amazon. I don't know why the titles and covers remain out there. The only ones you can order from that list get away with the topic by making the dog a 'weredog' and having it change to human form during sex.

Splitting hairs in my opinion.

What was that you said about beastiality=non-human, LC? I seem to recall you pointing this out a few times on threads. That fine line seems to be everywhere.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, except when aroused, is it still a duck?

 

[elfin_odalisque]

Found this browsing amazon today. Many people here have had issues with their, inconsistent to say the least, "content" guidelines.

WE all know their "stance" on incest as well as some other things, but check this one out.

http://www.amazon.com/Beastiality-ebook/dp/B00BOYZG9Q/ref=pd_sim_b_60

And better yet? Look at that ranking. Thing is selling at least 15-20 copies or more daily to have that number.

Looking through the reviews, I read enough to know this is literally sex with a dog(But I guess it can speak? I mean really?)

Unbelievable, but let's not have any "mother" stories up there.

Bestiality, or, more strictly, zoophobia, is not illegal in 20 US states. Not my scene, but I understand why Amazon is more relaxed than with incest. At whatever age, incest is universally illegal in the US. Lit's acceptance of over-18 incest is a generous gesture and writers should accept that.

Amazon's stance is pretty understandable.

 

[StrangeLife]

One thing I will add is like hp called out it is horribly written and of course the subject matter is disgusting but the thing is selling very well.

Just like Twilight and Fifty Shades of Grey. Not being anti-fanish here - I seriously believe that the majority of Lit authors could outdo Stephenie Meyer on her best day. And she even worked with professional editors. I can only imagine what her original draft must have looked like.

My conclusion is that the subject can sell a book just as efficiently as the writers skill. It's all about striking a chord with a credit card holding demographic - in this case people who dream of spicing up their bedroom escapades with a bit of woof...

 

[R. Richard]

From Wiki:
In the United States, the District of Columbia and every state, except Rhode Island, have some form of codified incest prohibition. However, individual statutes vary widely. Rhode Island repealed its criminal incest statute in 1989, Ohio only targets parental figures, and New Jersey does not apply any penalties when both parties are 18 years of age or older. A conviction for incest attracts the following penalties by state:
5 years imprisonment in Hawaii
10 years imprisonment in North Dakota, South Dakota, Wisconsin, and Minnesota
14 years imprisonment in California, Oregon, Washington, Alaska and Idaho
15 years imprisonment in Connecticut, Maryland, Delaware, Virginia and West Virginia
20 years imprisonment in Massachusetts, New York, New Hampshire, Maine, Pennsylvania, and Vermont
25 years imprisonment in Kansas, Nebraska, Arkansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas, Arizona, New Mexico, Nevada, Colorado, Wyoming, Iowa, Illinois, Indiana and Kentucky
Life imprisonment in Florida, Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, North Carolina, South Carolina and Tennessee.

Three convictions or more of incest also require the offenders to register as "Sex Offenders"

In all states, close blood-relatives that fall under the incest statutes include:
Father
Mother
Grandfather
Grandmother
Brother
Sister
Aunt
Uncle
Niece
Nephew

Rhode Island allows uncles to marry their nieces if they are part of a community, such as orthodox Jews, for whom such marriages are permitted. Many states also apply incest laws to non-blood relations, including stepparents, step-siblings, and in-laws.

 

[StrangeLife]

From Wiki:
In the United States, the District of Columbia and every state, except Rhode Island, have some form of codified incest prohibition. However, individual statutes vary widely. Rhode Island repealed its criminal incest statute in 1989, Ohio only targets parental figures, and New Jersey does not apply any penalties when both parties are 18 years of age or older. A conviction for incest attracts the following penalties by state:
5 years imprisonment in Hawaii
10 years imprisonment in North Dakota, South Dakota, Wisconsin, and Minnesota
14 years imprisonment in California, Oregon, Washington, Alaska and Idaho
15 years imprisonment in Connecticut, Maryland, Delaware, Virginia and West Virginia
20 years imprisonment in Massachusetts, New York, New Hampshire, Maine, Pennsylvania, and Vermont
25 years imprisonment in Kansas, Nebraska, Arkansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas, Arizona, New Mexico, Nevada, Colorado, Wyoming, Iowa, Illinois, Indiana and Kentucky
Life imprisonment in Florida, Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, North Carolina, South Carolina and Tennessee.

Three convictions or more of incest also require the offenders to register as "Sex Offenders"

In all states, close blood-relatives that fall under the incest statutes include:
Father
Mother
Grandfather
Grandmother
Brother
Sister
Aunt
Uncle
Niece
Nephew

Rhode Island allows uncles to marry their nieces if they are part of a community, such as orthodox Jews, for whom such marriages are permitted. Many states also apply incest laws to non-blood relations, including stepparents, step-siblings, and in-laws.

It's amazing (in an appalling way) that - in this day and age - two consenting adults can do sexual acts in the privacy of their bedroom that might land them in more trouble with the law than if they had killed somebody!

There is no doubt that incest is unacceptable social behaviour but I wish somebody in congress had the guts to push for legalising it on a federal scale. This should not be police business at all...

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Its important to consider that most laws exist to harass people when bonafide crimes don't apply. Almost everything is illegal anymore.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

Life imprisonment in Florida, Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, North Carolina, South Carolina and Tennessee.

All the states people make fun of for brother/sister marriage.

Hey, if a man and woman get married in Alabama, move to Tennessee and get divorced, are they still brother and sister? *rimshot*

 

[lovecraft68]

Go check out Selena Kitts blpg today

Amazon is now cracking down on step incest
They will allow it bit no more nude covers anf over the top titles like fucking mommy hard

Not a bad idea except they are only telling big publishersr meaning a lot more accounts blocked unfairly because no one knows the rules

They are also going after monster porn. So no mpre were dogs and the ploy of non human hidong beastie
Again npt everything but the really over the top stuff

I apologize for sny bad spelling I am my phone

 

[Handley_Page]

From Wiki:

United Kingdom

Incest is illegal in Scotland, England, Wales, and Northern Ireland. It is defined as sexual intercourse between a person and their parent (including adoptive parent), grandparent, child, grandchild, brother, sister, half-brother, half-sister, uncle, aunt, nephew or niece. It is punishable with up to two years' imprisonment. For familial child sex offences, the parent and sibling relationship definitions include step-parents and step-siblings

 

[Zeb_Carter]

Go check out Selena Kitts blpg today

Amazon is now cracking down on step incest
They will allow it bit no more nude covers anf over the top titles like fucking mommy hard

Not a bad idea except they are only telling big publishersr meaning a lot more accounts blocked unfairly because no one knows the rules

They are also going after monster porn. So no mpre were dogs and the ploy of non human hidong beastie
Again npt everything but the really over the top stuff

I apologize for sny bad spelling I am my phone

You really have to stop typing with you toes.

 

[StrangeLife]

They are also going after monster porn...

Good. It's been really hard on the poor werewolves since they went mainstream. They can hardly leave their homes without getting chased by screaming teenage-girls expecting them to turn into beefy latinos...

 

[lovecraft68]

You really have to stop typing with you toes.

Nah, its just those really tiny keys get to me.

Remember, I'm 45, not 15 I haven't grown up texting.

And there is no spell check on my phone

 

[lovecraft68]

Well I checked her blog and I guess she has not posted the e-mail she got from amazon yet,

Honestly although I dislike any type of censorship-and that's what it is because whenever you tell author's what they cannot publish you are telling readers what they cannot read or purchase- the idea of a little clean up is not a terrible thing.

I, like many other responsible authors I'm sure, roll my eyes when I see titles like "Step mother fucker" and My sister's hot pussy" those are actual titles BTW.

Whenever I see those I get pissed because this is what calls this down upon us, irresponsible idiots. The subject it taboo as it is, we don;t need nude covers and profanity laced titles to make it worse.

As for "monster sex" The intent of the Non human type stories was just about some sexy supernatural creatures and still is but.... for many it has become a haven for blatant bestiality and that is what gets the attention

So the "clean up" is not what upsets me.

As usual its amazon's blatant refusal to ever state what they are doing. They send everyone with an amazon account a kindle newsletter once a month meaning one click sends an e-mail to everyone.

They should be notifying authors, lokk we're doing this it takes effect ...

Instead a handful of people are notified and many, many, many people will lose their account simply for trying to publish what they have for years.

Another thinly veiled shot at both indy authors and erotica in general

Again, perfect solution is for them to set up an adult kindle store. E-bay has it. You have to verify you're 18 and re log in to view adult items. That would solve a lot of their "it was offending people" if you put it where only those people could find it.

Instead, more hard working people who use this money to feed their kids are going to be ruined by one of the world's richest sacks of garbage Bezos and there's nothing you can do about it.

This is an asshole who defines price fixing yet somehow sued and beat apple for it. He could probably sue the president of this country and win.

Now I have not seen what the new rules are, I am hoping Selena posts soon as I'm not posting another of that type of book until I see something, I hope they are not going to do this....

Fiction4all-saying it is over credit card processors-will not publish a book with the words mother/father sister etc...in the title. If amazon goes that far and with tagsd already removed the books will be as good as unreachable in the vast ocean of the kindle store.

Hopefully this means more traffic for a site like smashwords and others.

 

[jack30341]

Bestiality, or, more strictly, zoophobia, is not illegal in 20 US states. Not my scene, but I understand why Amazon is more relaxed than with incest. At whatever age, incest is universally illegal in the US. Lit's acceptance of over-18 incest is a generous gesture and writers should accept that.

Amazon's stance is pretty understandable.

Let me try to understand this.

Incest is illegal, so no story involving incest should be published.

Murder is illegal, but stories involving murder should be published. After all, it's fiction, right?

I wish the First Amendment got the kind of reverence the Second Amendment does.

 

[lovecraft68]

Not as well as you think. The author hid the book in a more obscure category with fewer books as a whole, thus a higher rating. It's in Literature & Fiction > Genre Fiction > Urban Life.

I suspect Amazon doesn't know it's there because no one has reported it, yet. They seem to scan mostly the erotica section.



Most of the books you have listed here have been banned by Amazon. I don't know why the titles and covers remain out there. The only ones you can order from that list get away with the topic by making the dog a 'weredog' and having it change to human form during sex.

Splitting hairs in my opinion.

What was that you said about beastiality=non-human, LC? I seem to recall you pointing this out a few times on threads. That fine line seems to be everywhere.

On your point of it not being in erotica, I will make 2 points. first it does not matter where he put it. With that title, cover and description it should have been blocked.

Second, although he posted it in another category I found it by scrolling across the "people who bought this also bought...so it was sitting in the middle of a bunch of step mother-mother in law-milf type books when I seen
it.

As for my claims of NH riding beastie? It is a fine line dictated by the author. Some can do it without it being crazy over the top, some just turn it into flat out beastie sex.

My opinion in general is if it is furry, its fucking, and you're stroking to it, guess what kink you have? And if its your kink its your business, my peeve is no one owns up to it. No! we don't like women sucking horses cocks! This one had a third eye it wasn't a real horse, even though its cock was a horses cock.

as my daughter continues to say repeatedly about everything these days Really?

But again, there's subtle and there's blatant and just like the incest titles-and some non consent work- its the over the top stuff that brings it all down for others.

I gave a couple of examples in a prior post about titles like "fucking mommy hard"

In contrast here is a couple of mine and I think this is what they will still be okay with

"Comfort of my mother's arms"

"My mother, my first"

A Mother's Sacrifice.

There is a huge difference. My titles tells you what you're getting, but its not all out screaming at you.

It doesn't matter they do what they do and all they do is fuck the little people so Anne Rice and King and company can have more views.