Help with an icky plot hole

[elfin_odalisque]

So one of my main characters is a chain smoker. I literally put a cigarette in her hand in every scene (many times she finishes one and goes onto the next in the space of two paragraphs). Think of her as the ten packs a day kind.

It suddenly occurred to me that kissing such a person would be an entirely unpleasurable experience (heavy nicotine stench). But she must kiss...

Any ideas on a workaround?

This thread seems like a throwback in time. Marlboro man is dead - should have given up earlier.

The outdated idea of a smoker being chic and sophisticated, Casablanca etc., has surely gone. I see poor wretches huddled outside offices in the rain and chic is the last description I would choose.

My other half smoked for a long time but gave up after a recruitment consultant refused to put his résumé forward because he reeked of stale smoke at interview. Smokers are now the new pariah. Smokers are the new unclean for good or bad.

TV, movies and most popular fiction have whitewashed smoking from their offerings. I haven't found it on Lit.

I struggle to follow why chain smoking is an erotic addition to a story. I'm not for or against smokers but I'm not sure what it adds to a story in these days.

 

[Bert_Fegg]

And let me ask you..... would you admit that you do?

Of course no man says "I think with my dick"

We're not talking LTR here, that this is the woman you will wake up with everyday we're talking a story on a porn site where its all about reading "with your dick" or at least your hand on it.

Or do you see a reader saying "she's a smoker I can't even read about him fucking her while she smells like tobacco"

Typical male fucking ego that thinking with your dick cannot even be acknowledged.

So your single and....Sasha Grey says "let's go baby" but before you fuck she smokes a couple of Marlboros then says, "Okay Bert, come on, anything you want."

And you will say "I'm sorry Miss Grey, but I simply cannot touch you unless you brush your teeth and chew some gum"

Yeah, sure you do.

Failure to admit weakness is the ultimate sign of said weakness. I'm glad you think you're so above the rest of your species.

I don't think I'm above the rest of my species, I just don't think we're all the same. different stuff affects us in different ways. I happen to think smoking is sufficiently vile that no amount of physical attraction can overcome it. I doubt I'm the only guy in the world who thinks that way.

it's kind of arrogant of you, don't you think, to think that your view of what blokes should be is the only correct one?

 

[elfin_odalisque]

I think Bert is a bit OTT but I think you kinda miss the point LC.

I got laid by a serial smoker and enjoyed it.

My point is that in an erotic story, these days, it is just about as sexy to use smoking habits as to get into period pains and tampons.

Just talking about erotic stories, in this day and age could someone explain to me how smoking ten packs a day enhances an erotic story. Forget the smell - what is the point?

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

This thread seems like a throwback in time. Marlboro man is dead - should have given up earlier.

The outdated idea of a smoker being chic and sophisticated, Casablanca etc., has surely gone. I see poor wretches huddled outside offices in the rain and chic is the last description I would choose.

My other half smoked for a long time but gave up after a recruitment consultant refused to put his résumé forward because he reeked of stale smoke at interview. Smokers are now the new pariah. Smokers are the new unclean for good or bad.

TV, movies and most popular fiction have whitewashed smoking from their offerings. I haven't found it on Lit.

I struggle to follow why chain smoking is an erotic addition to a story. I'm not for or against smokers but I'm not sure what it adds to a story in these days.

Yet smoking endures inspite of Nazis such as you. Though pot smokers make you swoon and weak-kneed.

I don't smoke, and havent smoked since 2001. The hysteria is total bullshit, and an excuse for people like you to be pissed about something.

 

[alt68]

If the girl is hot and she is ready to fuck no guy is going to say "sorry. but you reek of cigarettes" they are going to say "Yeah, baby, I'm getting laid"

They got bags for ugly, there must be a smoker bag.

 

[sr71plt]

News flash: People do still smoke. People do still fuck.

 

[lovecraft68]

They got bags for ugly, there must be a smoker bag.

The obvious answer is doggy style

 

[lovecraft68]

Obviously not only does smoking not bother everyone, but like everything else there are people who get into it


http://www.redtube.com/70097

Ah, the world of sex, something for everyone

 

[jonthechaosman]

As others said, make him s smoker. Or...give him a smoking fetish. Then...maybe even the smell on her would turn him on.

The fetish idea is a pretty good one IMO.

It has been mentioned that a smoker is so much less likely to have an issue with their partner smoking. We tend to not notice the smoking stench from others, nor do we notice the lack of it in non-smokers.

It seems to me it is only an issue with non-smokers. Don't get me started on the anti-smoking nazis though. Smokers are the last group that almost no one has any problem discriminating against. As a matter of fact most of them seem so proud to be persecuting us "for our own good". Arrogant fuckers.

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[lovecraft68]

The fetish idea is a pretty good one IMO.

It has been mentioned that a smoker is so much less likely to have an issue with their partner smoking. We tend to not notice the smoking stench from others, nor do we notice the lack of it in non-smokers.

It seems to me it is only an issue with non-smokers. Don't get me started on the anti-smoking nazis though. Smokers are the last group that almost no one has any problem discriminating against. As a matter of fact most of them seem so proud to be persecuting us "for our own good". Arrogant fuckers.

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There is an expression that very little is worse than a reformed smoker. I agree that they are some pompous pretentious bastards

I must be an exception. I have never so much as taken a drag on a cigarette (or any non tobacco item either) yet someone smoking next to me or around me doesn't bother me. I'm not saying I would want someone to blow it directly in my face, but being around it I have no problem.

It was strange when they made it so people could no longer smoke indoors here because I spend a lot of time in bars for dart leagues and as weird as it sounds the smoke filled room was part of the "ambiance"

I used to play pool for money years ago and it really was part of the "scene" the small bare, the smoky haze around the table. The guy who could actually shoot while holding his cigarette in the same hand.

 

[jonthechaosman]

When they banned smoking in bars here in De., I remember that the big selling point of the ban was that non-smokers would now be able to go to bars because the reason they didn't frequent bars was the smoky atmosphere. A month later when bar business dropped considerably, especially in small dive bars, (it didn't help that I live near a state line and that the neighboring state did not have the ban) I saw a billboard outside one of my favorite hangouts that said

WE GOT RID OF THE SMOKERS. CAN YOU PLEASE COME IN NOW!!!




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[lovecraft68]

When they banned smoking in bars here in De., I remember that the big selling point of the ban was that non-smokers would now be able to go to bars because the reason they didn't frequent bars was the smoky atmosphere. A month later when bar business dropped considerably, especially in small dive bars, (it didn't help that I live near a state line and that the neighboring state did not have the ban) I saw a billboard outside one of my favorite hangouts that said

WE GOT RID OF THE SMOKERS. CAN YOU PLEASE COME IN NOW!!!.

The side effect that drove me crazy was the people in the dart league who smoked were now outside half the time. So whenever it was their turn they were nowhere to be found and the non smokers were always stuck keeping score because the smokers had to run outside.

Also it causes me to roll my eyes to no ene that this country has an all out war on tobacco as they now turn to legalizing pot. I would rather sit next to a smoker than have some pothead loser trying to give me a contact buzz smoking that garbage around me.

 

[49greg]

You know the easier baser solution is this....

I know there are a lot of posts up there to the extent of kissing an ashtray and how gross it is. yada yada.

Well I have news for you. If the girl is hot and she is ready to fuck no guy is going to say "sorry. but you reek of cigarettes" they are going to say "Yeah, baby, I'm getting laid"

So please let's stop acting like it would stop that because it wouldn't. The little head has no sense of smell and you guys are flattering yourselves.

It is true that a hard cock has no qualms about anything. So if I was already horny, just met her as she was stripping down for action - go for broke. But usually for me, back in my single days, sex was preceded by a short getting to know you phase, sometimes very short, then some necking and hugging and squeezing and exploring, then finding a place to go to fuck. So smokers were quickly eliminated before the necking started.

My folks were both chain smokers, but back in fifties and early sixties we didn't have AC, so open windows with breezes blowing though cleaned the house out. Then dad had a heard attack and he and mom quit. It was after that when I started noticing the smell of smoke. I got so grossed out that I rarely even went to bars. And anyway, I had better luck picking up girls in church.

Not that I didn't try to smoke myself, but my lungs couldn't stand the smoke so I spent all my time hacking and coughing and the few times I kept at it I would get sick. I felt jealous in the Army during Basic and AIT when we stopped running and the Drill Sgt would tell us to break and "smoke em if you got em". Eventually I tried again but with the same result.

 

[lovecraft68]

It is true that a hard cock has no qualms about anything. So if I was already horny, just met her as she was stripping down for action - go for broke. But usually for me, back in my single days, sex was preceded by a short getting to know you phase, sometimes very short, then some necking and hugging and squeezing and exploring, then finding a place to go to fuck. So smokers were quickly eliminated before the necking started.

My folks were both chain smokers, but back in fifties and early sixties we didn't have AC, so open windows with breezes blowing though cleaned the house out. Then dad had a heard attack and he and mom quit. It was after that when I started noticing the smell of smoke. I got so grossed out that I rarely even went to bars. And anyway, I had better luck picking up girls in church.

Not that I didn't try to smoke myself, but my lungs couldn't stand the smoke so I spent all my time hacking and coughing and the few times I kept at it I would get sick. I felt jealous in the Army during Basic and AIT when we stopped running and the Drill Sgt would tell us to break and "smoke em if you got em". Eventually I tried again but with the same result.

Interesting point about AC people actually got fresh air back then and were a lot more active in general.

Like I said if we're talking LTR then yes a smoker/non smoker could run into issues, but for a pick up or a stand or a fuck buddy give me a break. I've never smoked, but have been with plenty of women who have. Its not a "deal breaker"

I am also going back to my younger days when many more women and people in general smoked.

 

[jonthechaosman]

I felt jealous in the Army during Basic and AIT when we stopped running and the Drill Sgt would tell us to break and "smoke em if you got em". Eventually I tried again but with the same result.

That's actually why I started smoking. In the Army, smokers got breaks every hour or so to have a smoke. Those of us who didn't were often given something to do in the meantime. I said Fuck That! and started smoking to get the same breaks the smokers were getting. It's also why my first brand was Newports. My race was under-represented in the units I was in(my first real world introduction to large numbers of people of different races, I grew up in a small town that was almost completely white) and all the black guys around me smoked Newports so that's what I smoked. I am a Marlboro Menthol Ultra Light man now. If I smoked a Newport now I would probably choke to death.



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[Bramblethorn]

When they banned smoking in bars here in De., I remember that the big selling point of the ban was that non-smokers would now be able to go to bars because the reason they didn't frequent bars was the smoky atmosphere.

There's been quite a bit of research done on that question. A Norwegian study found that bars had a dip in business during the first year after bans came in, but no long-term impact - which is what you'd expect if smokers left immediately and then non-smokers gradually changed their habits. Some US research found no impact in the states they looked at, except for a small positive impact in WV.

This meta-study looked at 97 different research papers on the topic. The money quote:

"All of the studies concluding a negative impact were supported by the tobacco industry. 94% of the tobacco industry supported studies concluded a negative economic impact compared to none of the non-industry supported studies." It also notes that the ones finding negative impact were much more likely to be badly designed.

Obviously individual places might do better or worse than average, but looks like it doesn't hurt the industry overall.

 

[oggbashan]

In the UK the impact has been marked. The number of public houses that have closed for ever has increased significantly since smoking was banned.

In our town we have lost five in the last 18 months. The previous five closed over a ten year period. We only have twelve left and at least two of them are likely to close shortly.

Whether it was wholly due to a smoking ban, or whether that tipped the balance? I don't know.

 

[Bramblethorn]

In the UK the impact has been marked. The number of public houses that have closed for ever has increased significantly since smoking was banned.

In our town we have lost five in the last 18 months. The previous five closed over a ten year period. We only have twelve left and at least two of them are likely to close shortly.

Whether it was wholly due to a smoking ban, or whether that tipped the balance? I don't know.

You'd know better than I, but... my understanding is that the English smoking ban came into effect in July 2007. If the effect was similar to that in the Norwegian paper I linked, you'd expect pubs to see a slight downturn for about a year, then recovery to normal about mid 2008 - all else being equal.

But just around then, along came the GFC. In the UK Unemployment rose sharply, GDP dropped sharply, bankruptcies shot up across the whole England/Wales economy.

In an economic crisis people cut back on discretionary spending - even if they still have their jobs, they're more cautious with their money, and that willingness to spend doesn't recover easily. So I'd expect the closures you've seen are more to do with GFC than the smoking ban - although, short of changing the law back, it'd be very difficult to separate out the two effects in the historical data.

 

[BobbyBrandt]

Smoking...

As a few others have mentioned, try to find beneficial aspects of her smoking relative to the sexual experience. Some thoughts I had were:

- She had a sexy, smoker's voice that immediately caused an erection, or
- The smell of cigarette smoke on her fingers as she spread her labia to allow greater access for his tongue enhanced the deviant act they were performing.

 

[PennLady]

Just read all of this and it seems to me that unless there's a need to complicate things, just make her partner a smoker as well, as others have suggested.

 

[lovecraft68]

Just read all of this and it seems to me that unless there's a need to complicate things, just make her partner a smoker as well, as others have suggested.

do you have to stop ruining everyone's fun with your damn logical solutions

 

[PennLady]

do you have to stop ruining everyone's fun with your damn logical solutions

I'm not the first to say it.

And hey, it's not my story, so if LaRascasse wants to complicate it, I won't stop him.

 

[sr71plt]

I'll admit to the logical solution. I do believe I was the first to mention it on the thread. The OP just wanted to figure out how to get by a plot point, not debate cigarette smokers' rights to kill themselves and others around them.

 

[xelliebabex]

I don't see whet the big deal is aside of the public perception being negative as a whole about smoking. I can't stand the taste or smell of aniseed. Dose it mean i wouldn't kiss someone who chomped down a bag of licorice or drank ouzo, no of course not. Seems like a silly question to be causing so much debate.

Now if they were addicted to peanuts and the other person had a life threatening peanut allergy I could see the icky plot hole, but honestly this isn't one.

 

[PennLady]

I'll admit to the logical solution. I do believe I was the first to mention it on the thread. The OP just wanted to figure out how to get by a plot point, not debate cigarette smokers' rights to kill themselves and others around them.

Yes, you were. And yes, it's the easiest way, seems to me.