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The Treaty Wreckers
By George Monbiot
The Guardian UK

In just a few months, Bush and Blair have destroyed global restraint on the development of nuclear weapons.

Saturday is the 60th anniversary of the bombing of Hiroshima. The nuclear powers are commemorating it in their own special way: by seeking to ensure that the experiment is repeated.

As Robin Cook showed in his column last week, the British government appears to have decided to replace our Trident nuclear weapons, without consulting parliament or informing the public. It could be worse than he thinks. He pointed out that the atomic weapons establishment at Aldermaston has been re-equipped to build a new generation of bombs. But when this news was first leaked in 2002 a spokesman for the plant insisted the equipment was being installed not to replace Trident but to build either mini-nukes or warheads that could be used on cruise missiles.

If this is true it means the government is replacing Trident and developing a new category of boil-in-the-bag weapons. As if to ensure we got the point, Geoff Hoon, then the defence secretary, announced before the leak that Britain would be prepared to use small nukes in a pre-emptive strike against a non-nuclear state. This put us in the hallowed company of North Korea.

The Times, helpful as ever, explains why Trident should be replaced. "A decision to leave the club of nuclear powers," it says, "would diminish Britain's international standing and influence." This is true, and it accounts for why almost everyone wants the bomb. Two weeks ago, on concluding their new nuclear treaty, George Bush and the Indian prime minister Manmohan Singh announced that "international institutions must fully reflect changes in the global scenario that have taken place since 1945. The president reiterated his view that international institutions are going to have to adapt to reflect India's central and growing role." This translates as follows: "Now that India has the bomb it should join the UN security council."

It is because nuclear weapons confer power and status on the states that possess them that the non-proliferation treaty, of which the UK was a founding signatory, determines two things: that the non-nuclear powers should not acquire nuclear weapons, and that the nuclear powers should "pursue negotiations in good faith on ... general and complete disarmament". Blair has unilaterally decided to rip it up.

But in helping to wreck the treaty we are only keeping up with our friends across the water. In May the US government launched a systematic assault on the agreement. The summit in New York was supposed to strengthen it, but the US, led by John Bolton - the undersecretary for arms control (someone had a good laugh over that one) - refused even to allow the other nations to draw up an agenda for discussion. The talks collapsed, and the treaty may now be all but dead. Needless to say, Bolton has been promoted: to the post of US ambassador to the UN. Yesterday Bush pushed his nomination through by means of a "recess appointment": an undemocratic power that allows him to override Congress when its members are on holiday.

Bush wanted to destroy the treaty because it couldn't be reconciled with his new plans. Last month the Senate approved an initial $4m for research into a "robust nuclear earth penetrator" (RNEP). This is a bomb with a yield about 10 times that of the Hiroshima device, designed to blow up underground bunkers that might contain weapons of mass destruction. (You've spotted the contradiction.) Congress rejected funding for it in November, but Bush twisted enough arms this year to get it restarted. You see what a wonderful world he inhabits when you discover that the RNEP idea was conceived in 1991 as a means of dealing with Saddam Hussein's biological and chemical weapons. Saddam is pacing his cell, but the Bushites, like the Japanese soldiers lost in Malaysia, march on. To pursue his war against the phantom of the phantom of Saddam's weapons of mass destruction, Bush has destroyed the treaty that prevents the use of real ones.

It gets worse. Last year Congress allocated funding for something called the "reliable replacement warhead". The government's story is that the existing warheads might be deteriorating. When they show signs of ageing they can be dismantled and rebuilt to a "safer and more reliable" design. It's a pretty feeble excuse for building a new generation of nukes, but it worked. The development of the new bombs probably means the US will also breach the comprehensive test ban treaty - so we can kiss goodbye to another means of preventing proliferation.

But the biggest disaster was Bush's meeting with Manmohan Singh a fortnight ago. India is one of three states that possess nuclear weapons and refuse to sign the non-proliferation treaty (NPT). The treaty says India should be denied access to civil nuclear materials. But on July 18 Bush announced that "as a responsible state with advanced nuclear technology, India should acquire the same benefits and advantages as other such states". He would "work to achieve full civil nuclear energy cooperation with India" and "seek agreement from Congress to adjust US laws and policies". Four months before the meeting the US lifted its south Asian arms embargo, selling Pakistan a fleet of F-16 aircraft, capable of a carrying a wide range of missiles, and India an anti-missile system. As a business plan, it's hard to fault.

Here then is how it works. If you acquire the bomb and threaten to use it you will qualify for American exceptionalism by proxy. Could there be a greater incentive for proliferation?

The implications have not been lost on other states. "India is looking after its own national interests," a spokesman for the Iranian government complained on Wednesday. "We cannot criticise them for this. But what the Americans are doing is a double standard. On the one hand they are depriving an NPT member from having peaceful technology, but at the same time they are cooperating with India, which is not a member of the NPT." North Korea (and this is the only good news around at the moment) is currently in its second week of talks with the US. While the Bush administration is doing the right thing by engaging with Pyongyang, the lesson is pretty clear. You could sketch it out as a Venn diagram. If you have oil and aren't developing a bomb (Iraq) you get invaded. If you have oil and are developing a bomb (Iran) you get threatened with invasion, but it probably won't happen. If you don't have oil, but have the bomb, the US representative will fly to your country and open negotiations.

The world of George Bush's imagination comes into being by government decree. As a result of his tail-chasing paranoia, assisted by Tony Blair's cowardice and Manmohan Singh's opportunism, the global restraint on the development of nuclear weapons has, in effect, been destroyed in a few months. The world could now be more vulnerable to the consequences of proliferation than it has been for 35 years. Thanks to Bush and Blair, we might not go out with a whimper after all.
 
I see where you are coming from Mr. Bullet, but yea, we must proliferate these weapons of mass destruction in order for the rapture to occur. We must bathe the earth in hellfire to make the master happy. He's hungry for more souls.

Why else out Valerie Plame? Why else reward Pakistan for spreading nuke technology to N. Korea, Iran, and Syria? Why else develop new and smaller nukes?
 
Couture:
Of course, you are correct. What a fool I've been!
 
TOM LEHRER

THAT WAS THE YEAR THAT WAS


http://www.casualhacker.net/tom.lehrer/the_year.html

Who's Next?

One of the big news items of the past year concerned the fact that China, which we call Red China, exploded a nuclear bomb, which we called a device. Then Indonesia announced that it was gonna have one soon, and proliferation became the word of the day. Here's a song about that:

First we got the bomb and that was good,
'Cause we love peace and motherhood.
Then Russia got the bomb, but that's O.K.,
'Cause the balance of power's maintained that way!
Who's next?

France got the bomb, but don't you grieve,
'Cause they're on our side (I believe).
China got the bomb, but have no fears;
They can't wipe us out for at least five years!*
Who's next?

Then Indonesia claimed that they
Were gonna get one any day.
South Africa wants two, that's right:
One for the black and one for the white!**
Who's next?

Egypt's gonna get one, too,
Just to use on you know who.
So Israel's getting tense,
Wants one in self defense.
"The Lord's our shepherd," says the psalm,
But just in case, we better get a bomb!
Who's next?

Luxembourg is next to go
And, who knows, maybe Monaco.
We'll try to stay serene and calm
When Alabama gets the bomb!
Who's next, who's next, who's next?
Who's next?

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Notes
* An oblique reference to the Five Year Plans carried out by China and the Soviet Union, each of which focused on improving some specific area of industry.

** At the time, South Africa's Apartheid system of segregation still kept the nation strongly divided along racial lines.

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(This album was published in 1965.)
 
sweetsubsarahh said:
(This album was published in 1965.)

They didn't really know how to spin issues in 1965; those lyrics hardly made me dizzy at all, unlike the Guardian UK article in the first post. :p
 
Tom Lehrer - the man, the legend.

I can't say I blame Blair that much. To not replace the Trident system would result in Britain being a non-nuclear state and unless all of the others are going to disarm with us, then it couldn't happen. Although paranoid, it would leave Britain under possible threat of attack from a nuclear state.

The Earl
 
TheEarl said:
Tom Lehrer - the man, the legend.

I can't say I blame Blair that much. To not replace the Trident system would result in Britain being a non-nuclear state and unless all of the others are going to disarm with us, then it couldn't happen. Although paranoid, it would leave Britain under possible threat of attack from a nuclear state.

The Earl

Which is obviously the place to be since it seems our leaders would have no compunction about doing that to others a la Geoff Hoon.

Following this logic shouldn't we be training our own religious fundamentalists to be heroic suicide bombers too?
 
gauchecritic said:
Which is obviously the place to be since it seems our leaders would have no compunction about doing that to others a la Geoff Hoon.

Following this logic shouldn't we be training our own religious fundamentalists to be heroic suicide bombers too?

I firmly hope that our nuclear capability is there in a 'Break Glass in Case of Emergency' sense and is going to be a deterrent, rather than a threat. But I wouldn't put anything past Blair.

The Earl
 
Nuclear disarmament is a joke. People talk about it, but no one is going to give up their nukes. Say the US and Britain were to actually give up their nukes. Does anyone think that N. Korea, China, Turkey, Pakistan, India, Israel and every other country is going to give up theirs?

As of now, the nuclear warhead is the ultimate power in the world. No one will give it up. They all go to great lengths to keep other countries from developing them, but won't give them up themselves.

The article mentions the earth penetrating nuke that's 10 times more powerful than the bomb dropped on Hiroshima. It sounds good on paper, but it means nothing. That's still a small nuke. The bomb dropped on Hiroshima was somewhere around 20 kilotons. 10X that is 200 kilo tons. We have 25 MEGAton warheads, and have had them for a few decades.

People may not like it, but nukes are a necessary evil. They keep the peace. The simplest pretext of Nuclear war is called M.A.D. (mutually assured destruction). WW3 between us, the Soviets and China never happened because all sides knew that it was unwinnable. Everything would be destroyed. No country is going to attack a nuclear armed country in full blown warfare. They are the ultimate weapon of mass destruction, therefore, they keep the peace.
 
The story goes (that is, as I heard it - no confirmation only hearsay), Cheney is the one who is leading the planning of the war against Iran. Nuclear weapons are a part of that plan.

Today on the news it was revealed that the US restarted a plutonium enrichment plant (I think it is in Idaho, some place like that). whose purpose I understand is to create weapons-grade plutonium.

The Bush administration (I can't speak for Blair) apparently looks at nuclear weapons as another tool in their active arsenal. I guess we'll find out one way or the other. Some people I talk to truly believe that if they see the need, the adinistration will use non-strategic nuclear weapons (if there are such things) on the battlefield.

Except for the part about plutonium enrichment, this post is all speculation based solely upon what I've heard through the grapevine. I don't know that it's true. I'd like to believe that it's all false.

But I must admit it has me worried.
 
Wildcard KY said:
The simplest pretext of Nuclear war is called M.A.D. (mutually assured destruction).

Mutually assured destruction worked in an age of megaton nuclear missles and when two countries had a strangle hold on most of the weapons.

But we are now in an age of tactical nuclear weapons. We are in an age when a truck or a car trunk could be holding a bomb large enough to blow up a small city and no one would know who delivered it.

Who do you destroy if you don't know who delivered the bomb. And BTW, are you going to destroy the world because of one or two small tactical weapons?

Governments and terrorist organizations are looking at these weapons differently now. The US government looks at nuclear weapons as just something else in their bag of tricks.

Wildcard KY, you've got to bring your thinking into the 21st century. You are 30 years behind the times.
 
thebullet said:
Mutually assured destruction worked in an age of megaton nuclear missles and when two countries had a strangle hold on most of the weapons.

But we are now in an age of tactical nuclear weapons. We are in an age when a truck or a car trunk could be holding a bomb large enough to blow up a small city and no one would know who delivered it.

Who do you destroy if you don't know who delivered the bomb. And BTW, are you going to destroy the world because of one or two small tactical weapons?

Governments and terrorist organizations are looking at these weapons differently now. The US government looks at nuclear weapons as just something else in their bag of tricks.

Wildcard KY, you've got to bring your thinking into the 21st century. You are 30 years behind the times.

Have you ever actually seen a warhead? I worked on them everyday for 6 years. A megatonnage warhead will fit in a car. That truck or car could be carrying a warhead large enough to flatten a large city. A tactical nuke will fit in a suitcase or backpack.

You're the one 30 years behind. You think that a high yield nuke has to be big. You'd be suprised at how easy it is to track where a nuke is made. I don't want to go into the details on this forum, but if you e-mail me, I'll give you an overview of how it works. wildcard_ky@yahoo.com

Governments don't look at these weapons any differently now. Responsible governments still treat them the same as they did during the height of the cold war. Other governments still lust after them as something to be used. Advances in technology world wide are allowing some of those other governments to acquire them. Terrorists would obviously love to get ahold of one, but the only way to get one is from a government. Due to the previously mentioned ease of tracking, any government that gives one to a terrorist knows that they will be quickly over run by countries like us. One thing all governments have in common....above all else, they want to keep their power.

You may distrust our government when it comes to Nukes, but you have no reason to. The last time we popped a nuke in anger was 60 years ago. We aren't going to pop a nuke on anyone. Even if a country like Iran popped a nuke on us, I doubt we'd retaliate in kind. It would take us about two weeks to go through their entire country, and no nation would try and stop us because we had been nuked.

I don't think you have a good grasp on the global politics involved in using nukes. To set one off is easy, to survive the political fallout is next to impossible. If a smaller country such as Iran pops a nuke on us, the world will be united against them and let us run roughshod through their country. If we pop a nuke on a first strike, we are suddenly the lepers of the world. Britain has been our staunchest military ally. I suspect even they would abandon us. 3/4 of the countries in the world would embargo us. We would be truly alone. As soon as that happens, the people in power lose their power. We all know that they will do whatever it takes to stay in power.
 
thebullet said:
Today on the news it was revealed that the US restarted a plutonium enrichment plant (I think it is in Idaho, some place like that). whose purpose I understand is to create weapons-grade plutonium.

That plutonium production re-opening hs been in the news for over a month. The stated purpose of reopening the plant is to produce 33 pounds of plutoniuim over 30 years for use in nuclear batteries -- most of which are to be sent into space, never to be seen again on Earth.

1.1 pounds a year is hardly a scale that would be useful in weapons production.
 
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