Hello Nurse

[00Syd]

I don't think it falls into the "just fantasy" category, if Fi was actually getting harassed.

I wasn't trying to make light of that, only to point out that this happens to tons of professions. People fetishize everything from shoes, to nurses, to teachers, to amputations, to colors.

It just seems to me that the fetishization of professions is inevitable, and that to be annoyed over one specific fetish like that is to be annoyed about all of them, since its all really the same thing.

I'm not trying to put a good or bad judgment on any of this, just to point that out.

If my thought even makes sense, anyway.

 

[JMohegan]

I wasn't trying to make light of that, only to point out that this happens to tons of professions. People fetishize everything from shoes, to nurses, to teachers, to amputations, to colors.

It just seems to me that the fetishization of professions is inevitable, and that to be annoyed over one specific fetish like that is to be annoyed about all of them, since its all really the same thing.

I'm not trying to put a good or bad judgment on any of this, just to point that out.

If my thought even makes sense, anyway.

I assume you are someone who has never been actively harassed in this way. From that perspective, I'd say yes. What you wrote makes sense.

 

[Harmony_1985]

I've spent far too much time in hospital in the last 7 years to find the nurse fantasty doing ANYTHING for me.

 

[00Syd]

I assume you are someone who has never been actively harassed in this way. From that perspective, I'd say yes. What you wrote makes sense.

Harassed by having what you are reduced to a purely sexual being? Yes, I have. I'm a young female college student. I get actively demeaned in this way just by walking down the street.

But does that mean that attraction to women is a pet peeve of mine? No. People who don't know how to separate real life from fantasy are a pet peeve.

In my opinion finding the fetish itself annoying is silly, but it makes perfect sense to me to be annoyed by the people who cannot separate their fantasy from reality, whether they be people who think all nurses are naughty or men who think that all women are willing sluts.

 

[unpredictablebijou]

The same could be said about the naughty librarian or the naughty police officer, but they're all just fantasies, you know?

I was a naughty librarian for a while. Mention of the Dewey Decimal System still makes me kinda hot.

"I see this book is three weeks overdue. You understand how selfish that is, to keep a book away from other people who might want to read it. Now, I could charge you a fine, or we could work out some other way for you to pay your debt..."

*sounds of a crop and muffled moans emerge from the stacks*

bj

 

[JMohegan]

Harassed by having what you are reduced to a purely sexual being? Yes, I have. I'm a young female college student. I get actively demeaned in this way just by walking down the street.

But does that mean that attraction to women is a pet peeve of mine? No. People who don't know how to separate real life from fantasy are a pet peeve.

In my opinion finding the fetish itself annoying is silly, but it makes perfect sense to me to be annoyed by the people who cannot separate their fantasy from reality, whether they be people who think all nurses are naughty or men who think that all women are willing sluts.

No, generalized reduction of women to sex objects is not what I'm talking about here.

Comparable harassment would be you meeting a guy, telling him you go to Wherever U, and having him immediately respond by making lewd jokes about co-eds, or saying: "Oh baby, want me to bend you over a desk?" or something.

 

[00Syd]

No, generalized reduction of women to sex objects is not what I'm talking about here.

Comparable harassment would be you meeting a guy, telling him you go to Wherever U, and having him immediately respond by making lewd jokes about co-eds, or saying: "Oh baby, want me to bend you over a desk?" or something.

I was pretty sure that the type of harassment in question was the type where you are demeaned and treated as a sexual object based purely on who you are, be that a female nurse, a young woman, a male professor, a doctor, a librarian, a firefighter, a black police officer, whatever. What is the difference between a nurse being asked if she's a "naughty nurse" and a woman being asked if shes a slut? And more importantly, what does it matter? All of these things are fetishized.

My point isn't that this harassment doesn't happen, because it does, or that it isn't serious, because it is, or that one is less serious than another, because that isn't the case. My point is simply that in my opinion, being annoyed by the fetish itself is counter productive, when instead (to me) it makes much more sense to be annoyed by those who think its okay to ask whether a nurse is naughty, or to ask whether a young woman is a slut. It's the people who bring their fetish or sexual attraction out of their fantasies and involve non-consenting people into it that we should be annoyed about. Not the fetish itself.

Am I still not making sense? Are we still not talking about the same thing?

 

[satindesire]

I was pretty sure that the type of harassment in question was the type where you are demeaned and treated as a sexual object based purely on who you are, be that a female nurse, a young woman, a male professor, a doctor, a librarian, a firefighter, a black police officer, whatever. What is the difference between a nurse being asked if she's a "naughty nurse" and a woman being asked if shes a slut? And more importantly, what does it matter? All of these things are fetishized.

My point isn't that this harassment doesn't happen, because it does, or that it isn't serious, because it is, or that one is less serious than another, because that isn't the case. My point is simply that in my opinion, being annoyed by the fetish itself is counter productive, when instead (to me) it makes much more sense to be annoyed by those who think its okay to ask whether a nurse is naughty, or to ask whether a young woman is a slut. It's the people who bring their fetish or sexual attraction out of their fantasies and involve non-consenting people into it that we should be annoyed about. Not the fetish itself.

Am I still not making sense? Are we still not talking about the same thing?

You make perfect sense to me sweetheart.

 

[JMohegan]

I was pretty sure that the type of harassment in question was the type where you are demeaned and treated as a sexual object based purely on who you are, be that a female nurse, a young woman, a male professor, a doctor, a librarian, a firefighter, a black police officer, whatever. What is the difference between a nurse being asked if she's a "naughty nurse" and a woman being asked if shes a slut? And more importantly, what does it matter? All of these things are fetishized.

My point isn't that this harassment doesn't happen, because it does, or that it isn't serious, because it is, or that one is less serious than another, because that isn't the case. My point is simply that in my opinion, being annoyed by the fetish itself is counter productive, when instead (to me) it makes much more sense to be annoyed by those who think its okay to ask whether a nurse is naughty, or to ask whether a young woman is a slut. It's the people who bring their fetish or sexual attraction out of their fantasies and involve non-consenting people into it that we should be annoyed about. Not the fetish itself.

Am I still not making sense? Are we still not talking about the same thing?

What I'm saying is that, from where I'm sitting, both you AND Fi are making sense.

In post 12, she wrote: "And yet, even in the late 90's, if I said I was a nurse, someone was bound to ask me if I had a uniform I could put on for them or any 'toys'... you know, like stethoscopes or clamps... that we could play with."

It seems perfectly reasonable to me that someone who was harassed this way - over and over again, in a manner demeaning to his/her professional standing - would consider this a "pet peeve."

Do people really make slut jokes every time you introduce yourself as a college student? I'm guessing no, and this is why your perspective makes sense to me, too. You are making the perfectly rational point - accurate, and devoid of personalized frustration - that the real problem is people who can't differentiate between appropriate & inappropriate social response.

 

[Keroin]

What I'm saying is that, from where I'm sitting, both you AND Fi are making sense.

In post 12, she wrote: "And yet, even in the late 90's, if I said I was a nurse, someone was bound to ask me if I had a uniform I could put on for them or any 'toys'... you know, like stethoscopes or clamps... that we could play with."

It seems perfectly reasonable to me that someone who was harassed this way - over and over again, in a manner demeaning to his/her professional standing - would consider this a "pet peeve."

Do people really make slut jokes every time you introduce yourself as a college student? I'm guessing no, and this is why your perspective makes sense to me, too. You are making the perfectly rational point - accurate, and devoid of personalized frustration - that the real problem is people who can't differentiate between appropriate & inappropriate social response.

So now I'm wondering - and I hate to be serious on such a lovely Sunday - how the millions of real slaves existing in the world today would feel if they read this board and our celebration/glorification/fetishization (?) of that title?

Hmm.

Back to the beach...

 

[ecstaticsub]

So now I'm wondering - and I hate to be serious on such a lovely Sunday - how the millions of real slaves existing in the world today would feel if they read this board and our celebration/glorification/fetishization (?) of that title?

Hmm.

Back to the beach...

This is the reason that I will never be called a slave, even if I entered into a relationship that would be considered Master/slave.

 

[00Syd]

What I'm saying is that, from where I'm sitting, both you AND Fi are making sense.

In post 12, she wrote: "And yet, even in the late 90's, if I said I was a nurse, someone was bound to ask me if I had a uniform I could put on for them or any 'toys'... you know, like stethoscopes or clamps... that we could play with."

It seems perfectly reasonable to me that someone who was harassed this way - over and over again, in a manner demeaning to his/her professional standing - would consider this a "pet peeve."

Do people really make slut jokes every time you introduce yourself as a college student? I'm guessing no, and this is why your perspective makes sense to me, too. You are making the perfectly rational point - accurate, and devoid of personalized frustration - that the real problem is people who can't differentiate between appropriate & inappropriate social response.

Excellent, we agree

So now I'm wondering - and I hate to be serious on such a lovely Sunday - how the millions of real slaves existing in the world today would feel if they read this board and our celebration/glorification/fetishization (?) of that title?

Hmm.

Back to the beach...

I've thought of that too.

 

[Betticus]

Syd is a slave to fashion and if it makes any difference every time I see a really neat retro outfit, Austin Powers movie flashback style like the fembots I sexually harass her in my mind just a little bit.

Of course that has nothing to do with her being a college student. I could see her pulling off that cool Breakfast at Tiffanys outfit.

 

[00Syd]

Syd is a slave to fashion and if it makes any difference every time I see a really neat retro outfit, Austin Powers movie flashback style like the fembots I sexually harass her in my mind just a little bit.

Of course that has nothing to do with her being a college student. I could see her pulling off that cool Breakfast at Tiffanys outfit.

uhm, thanks? That was a complement, right?

 

[Keroin]

This is the reason that I will never be called a slave, even if I entered into a relationship that would be considered Master/slave.

Starfruit break.

No, you see, I have no problem using that title because I know it's all in play. All of this, everything from the naughty nurse to Bett's Austin Power's fetish, it's all play. People who dress up as ponies, and people who love people who dress up as ponies, to get off are not disrespecting horses. This is the point I'm making.

And BTW, as someone who's been patched together on more occasions than she can remember, I am a HUGE fan of nurses. As far I'm concerned, every nurse should make a million dollars a year and be given free foot rubs on demand. Hooray for nurses!!! We need a new holiday - Nurse Day. I will include that in my task force agenda - 00Syd, take notes.

p.s. I've never dressed up as a naughty nurse for play...but I have played one on TV.

 

[00Syd]

Starfruit break.

No, you see, I have no problem using that title because I know it's all in play. All of this, everything from the naughty nurse to Bett's Austin Power's fetish, it's all play. People who dress up as ponies, and people who love people who dress up as ponies, to get off are not disrespecting horses. This is the point I'm making.

And BTW, as someone who's been patched together on more occasions than she can remember, I am a HUGE fan of nurses. As far I'm concerned, every nurse should make a million dollars a year and be given free foot rubs on demand. Hooray for nurses!!! We need a new holiday - Nurse Day. I will include that in my task force agenda - 00Syd, take notes.

p.s. I've never dressed up as a naughty nurse for play...but I have played one on TV.

*takes notes*

I agree that we need a holiday to celebrate nurses. I also think that teachers should also have their own holiday and foot rubs on demand. Can we add that to our agenda?

 

[JMohegan]

So now I'm wondering - and I hate to be serious on such a lovely Sunday - how the millions of real slaves existing in the world today would feel if they read this board and our celebration/glorification/fetishization (?) of that title?

I'm missing the parallel between a nurse, who's justifiably proud of her skills & profession, and a victim of real slavery. "Fetishization" of one involves the demeaning of that which should be respected. "Fetishization" of the other involves appreciation of a consensual, attempted approximation of that which should be reviled.

I'm not one of the "our" in your question, the answer to which seems obvious. "Pet peeve" is highly unlikely to cover it.

None of this is to condemn whatever goes on in the privacy of anyone's consensual bedroom. That which is PC rarely gets kinky people off.

 

[EmpressFi]

*takes notes*

I agree that we need a holiday to celebrate nurses. I also think that teachers should also have their own holiday and foot rubs on demand. Can we add that to our agenda?

FYI.. they DO have a "holiday" for nurses.. infact there's a nurses week.. They just dont give us time off to celebrate it because who would they get to clean up the vomit, blood, poop, and pee, etc...

And let me add..

I dont mind that people wanna see women/people in the naughty nurse outfit.. or look at the pictures. God knows Malin enjoys the look... he just knows better than to ask me to ever do it.

Thanks for trying to explain how I felt JM, you said it better than I did.

Nurses, for all they do, all our training, all the responsibility... are still fighting the "handmaiden" stigma. It has only been within the last 15-20 years that it was thought of as a "profession" and not just a job. I guess it's hard to feel sexy with blue colored tube feeding and every body fluid known to man on your shoes, and it's hard to actually do my job of crawling up into a bed to perform CPR if I'm in a skirt that doesnt cover my ass. But yet that's exactly what would go through people's minds when I used to tell them what I did for a living. It just seemed universal that people thought I kept a little latex/vinyl uniform and lace up boots in my closet for "special" occasions.

The issue for me is personal, mine. But I understand the allure and I dont begrudge it. I say pet peeve, because I see it and yeah.. I guess I do the same for librarian too..but I roll my eyes and think dear god.. cant we get away from that please.. I'm so much MORE than that.

 

[00Syd]

FYI.. they DO have a "holiday" for nurses.. infact there's a nurses week.. They just dont give us time off to celebrate it because who would they get to clean up the vomit, blood, poop, and pee, etc...

And let me add..

I dont mind that people wanna see women/people in the naughty nurse outfit.. or look at the pictures. God knows Malin enjoys the look... he just knows better than to ask me to ever do it.

Thanks for trying to explain how I felt JM, you said it better than I did.

Nurses, for all they do, all our training, all the responsibility... are still fighting the "handmaiden" stigma. It has only been within the last 15-20 years that it was thought of as a "profession" and not just a job. I guess it's hard to feel sexy with blue colored tube feeding and every body fluid known to man on your shoes, and it's hard to actually do my job of crawling up into a bed to perform CPR if I'm in a skirt that doesnt cover my ass. But yet that's exactly what would go through people's minds when I used to tell them what I did for a living. It just seemed universal that people thought I kept a little latex/vinyl uniform and lace up boots in my closet for "special" occasions.

The issue for me is personal, mine. But I understand the allure and I dont begrudge it. I say pet peeve, because I see it and yeah.. I guess I do the same for librarian too..but I roll my eyes and think dear god.. cant we get away from that please.. I'm so much MORE than that.

I totally understand all of this. I wasn't trying to discount your experience or anything, just make a point.

And when is Nurses Week? And why don't we celebrate it? There should be a parade.

There should be a "unappreciated but vital professions" parade in general. Nurses, teachers, public servants of all stripes. Nurses and teachers, IMO more than anyone else deserve a huge heap more respect and appreciation than they receive right now.

 

[EmpressFi]

Annual Nurses week is traditionally May 6th thru May 12th, since May 6th is Florence Nightingale's birthday

 

[00Syd]

Annual Nurses week is traditionally May 6th thru May 12th, since May 6th is Florence Nightingale's birthday

I will mark that on my calendar.

 

[Shankara20]

.but I roll my eyes and think dear god.. cant we get away from that please.. I'm so much MORE than that.

thus is the statement many women I work with make about all expressions of woman as objects in any form - all porn, T and A shows, beer commercials, wet T-shirts contests, cosmetics promotions. In fact those same women have a very difficult time with BDSM in any form, especially with women in a submissive or bottom position.

I understand and respect your expression here and I think it is a healthy discussion. Without making this personal, I expect the women I mentioned would have difficulty with the image you use as an AV - they might see it as reducing a woman to a label, an object, and perhaps an object in a "less-then" (submissive) position.

Great comments here everyone.

 

[Netzach]

I don't think it falls into the "just fantasy" category, if Fi was actually getting harassed.

Having to counter some assertions about your profession with some eye rolling and "being harrassed" ain't the same.

Not to minimize Fi's experience with the former, or the lame-osity thereof.

Says someone who's done sex work and experienced both things in spades.

I think what we have here is a genuine squick based in reality. There's nothing wrong with that. It's really no different than what I said about "ew, too much time as a pt."

T also has no medical play tolerance because of his profession. And because he's actually worried about eroticizing things that you lose your license over if anyone realizes you now find them erotic - a blurring of the lines is not welcome.

All I want is a cast-saw, the kind that literally can't cut flesh because it's lazer operated or something. Damn, the bondage potential then.

 

[JMohegan]

Having to counter some assertions about your profession with some eye rolling and "being harrassed" ain't the same.

This will surely be good news for guys everywhere, who are good and freakin' tired of the nebulous rules and vagaries of the "hostile environment" section of sexual harassment law.

 

[Netzach]

This will surely be good news for guys everywhere, who are good and freakin' tired of the nebulous rules and vagaries of the "hostile environment" section of sexual harassment law.

And with all right to be. There's a pretty wide swath of overzealousness in the creation and theorizing of said laws and still somehow women are subject to quid pro quo harrassment, totally vulgar commentary and everything as before these wonderfully protective laws. Even workplace rape and assault, they still manage to continue. Treating a dumbass with a naughty nurse joke the same way you'd treat quid pro quo sexual innuendo ( you really could go places in our company) isn't appropriate, to me.

Being a dipshit doesn't necessarily create a hostile environment. Continuing to be a dipshit intentionally over and over when called to the carpet, joining in with friends to create a pervasive and hostile coterie of dipshittery - those begin to be quite clear and obvious. When you've experienced them you know it. It's another animal than the clueless joker who doesn't really know better doing it once.

I'm becoming kind of an enforcement versus legislation nut, lately. All the laws of the land still don't seem to do anything for our food supply if you look at peanuts, but one Georgia based motherfucker facing extradition to every state where people died for trial for manslaughter might.