Healthcare and education as human rights

[Chernosoth]

Some degree of both may be necessary for human civilization. But I can't call them rights, to be automatically granted to all citizens. They are services that require years of training, certification, and daily expenses. Legislators can write laws and recite slogans, but they can't guarantee the availability of competent healthcare workers, teachers, supplies, and facilities.

 

[Philthy_Phil]

They can't guarantee it because who wants to be in debt for 200k?

 

[Dribble]

If they are not a right...why does the Govt force hospitals to treat you? Or schools to educate you?

I view them as a right...but not in the form they are today.

 

[ll74]

Healthcare and education should be provided by the government.

 

[oggbashan]

They are available to almost all European citizens, free a the point of use, and paid for by various means including not excessive taxation.

The cost of European healthcare for everyone is far less than the US pays for its healthcare that isn't freely available to everyone.

The system has flaws and delays but the principle that everyone who needs it gets healthcare is a given.

We in the UK argue about Education but it is free.

You can have private healthcare if you want it; or very expensive private education if you can afford it.

Yet both healthcare and education are far cheaper than in the US as a proportion of our government's spending.

 

[Chernosoth]

Yet both healthcare and education are far cheaper than in the US as a proportion of our government's spending.

That is partly due to the American Medical Association's lobbying for laws to protect its monopoly and vigorous prosecution of anyone "practicing medicine without a license," which can be just a comment about something for a cold on the internet. Europeans are more free to practice and seek alternative medicine. Healthy competition keeps the costs down. Choosing a healthcare provider, with or without a piece of paper, is currently a right we don't quite have. People who want to practice alternative medicine, or have medical licenses but object to kickbacks from pharmaceutical companies to doctors and risk losing their licenses, may have more to say about that.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

As winter sets in amid energy shortages and sky high home heating bills, Brits we’re hit yesterday with bad news regarding its fragile government run healthcare system.

Millions of patients turned away from NHS GP appointments, Labour finds​

Five million patients were unable to book a GP appointment when they tried to make one in October, analysis has suggested.

Problems with access to family doctors will drive patients to accident & emergency and exacerbate pressure on hospitals, campaigners said yesterday.

Another two million people faced a wait of more than a month to see their doctor, the highest number since the records began, in 2017, and 4.3 million waited for more than a fortnight.

 

[ll74]

As winter sets in amid energy shortages and sky high home heating bills, Brits we’re hit yesterday with bad news regarding its fragile government run healthcare system.

Millions of patients turned away from NHS GP appointments, Labour finds​

Five million patients were unable to book a GP appointment when they tried to make one in October, analysis has suggested.

Problems with access to family doctors will drive patients to accident & emergency and exacerbate pressure on hospitals, campaigners said yesterday.

Another two million people faced a wait of more than a month to see their doctor, the highest number since the records began, in 2017, and 4.3 million waited for more than a fortnight.

An increase in respiratory and flu puts strain on the system.

It's happening here in the US as well.

 

[JohnEngelman]

U.S. health care system - “envy of the world”? not in Canada! Aug 12 2009​

As members of Congress return to their states and districts to debate the merits of the Democrats' proposals for health care reform, critics of the proposals may repeat the phrase used by some Republicans, newspaper editorials and bloggers that 'the American health care system is the envy of the world."​

If so, they should read the results of a recent Harris/Decima poll in Canada that found a 10-to-1 majority of Canadians believed their system was "superior" to the U.S. system. They might also note that a 70% majority of Canadians thought their system was "performing well"; and that a majority favored an expansion of public sector health care (i.e., "government-run" health care in the current debate) over private sector health care...

The Popularity of the Health Care Systems in the United Sates and Nine Other Countries

Another Harris Poll report, published July 2, 2008, compared the popularity of the health care systems in 10 countries. The United States system was the most unpopular. It reported that 33% of Americans felt there was "so much wrong with the health care system, we need to completely rebuild it." In the other nine countries between 9% (in the Netherlands) and 20% (in Italy) felt this way. Only 12% of Americans thought that "the system works pretty well."

https://www.news-medical.net/news/2...-system-envy-of-the-world-not-in-Canada!.aspx

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

An increase in respiratory and flu puts strain on the system.

Good point. If respiratory infections and the flu were putting that much of a strain on the UK system back in October it’s scary to think how bad it will get this winter.

 

[ll74]

Good point. If respiratory infections and the flu were putting that much of a strain on the UK system back in October it’s scary to think how bad it will get this winter.

For some reason you are focused on the UK system. This is the same on the US system as well. It isn't universal healthcare that's the cause.

 

[DeluxAuto]

Healthcare and education should be provided by the government.

That should be the obvious given and it has nothing to do with any of the isms.

 

[AsmodeusPrime]

If they are not a right...why does the Govt force hospitals to treat you? Or schools to educate you?

Because some people do and have made laws to reflect those beliefs.

That doesn't make them a right.

I view them as a right..

A lefty who entitles themselves to others resources?? No way!! .... shocking I say.... shocking.

.but not in the form they are today.

Yea, they've been corrupted into scams today.

 

[AsmodeusPrime]

That should be the obvious given and it has nothing to do with any of the isms.

Asserts an ism is an obvious given ...then claims it's not an ism.

Sorry buddy....your obvious entitlement to others labor/resources is very much an ism.

 

[JohnEngelman]

https://healthsystemsfacts.org/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI_-f2tc7n-wIVGovICh2BSAJWEAAYASAAEgLzHfD_BwE

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From the preceding chart you can see that the United States has the most expensive health care system in the world. When compared with countries with socialized medicine we have a lower life expectancy, and a higher rate of infant mortality.

 

[DeluxAuto]

Asserts an ism is an obvious given ...then claims it's not an ism.

Sorry buddy....your obvious entitlement to others labor/resources is very much an ism.

How predictable. You didn't understand the assignment yet were still triggered to make a dumb comment.

 

[AsmodeusPrime]

How predictable. You didn't understand the assignment yet were still triggered to make a dumb comment.

There was no assignment given, what a dumb comment.

Stay mad you said something fuckin' stupid and got called on it.

 

[DeluxAuto]

You didn't understand the assignment yet were still triggered to make a dumb comment.

There was no assignment

They really just write themselves.

 

[JohnEngelman]

Let's not talk about rights. Rights are normative. They cannot be proven. Let's talk about facts that can be documented empirically. The facts are that Americans pay the highest health care costs per capita, and get some of the worst results.

 

[DeluxAuto]

The USA has the second least amount of paid holidays in the entire world behind Micronesia.

Micronesia, people.

 

[JohnEngelman]

https://healthsystemsfacts.org/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI_-f2tc7n-wIVGovICh2BSAJWEAAYASAAEgLzHfD_BwE

 

[RobDownSouth]

Asserts an ism is an obvious given ...then claims it's not an ism.

Sorry buddy....your obvious entitlement to others labor/resources is very much an ism.

you rely upon your "entitlement" from Uncle Sugar each month to avoid having to participate in the workplace.
Self-loathing much?

 

[AsmodeusPrime]

you rely upon your "entitlement" from Uncle Sugar each month to avoid having to participate in the workplace.
Self-loathing much?

Robs mental meltdown and schizophrenic delusions continue. .

 

[AsmodeusPrime]

The USA has the second least amount of paid holidays in the entire world behind Micronesia.

Micronesia, people.

Yet nobody will even quit their horrible job much less get the fuck out and go to some place better like Micronesia.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Yet nobody will even quit their horrible job much less get the fuck out and go to some place better like Micronesia.

Well, at least they have jobs, unlike Botanyboy.