Health Summit!!!

[Freefall_mc]

How peculiar life is.

I sit here now, believing more than ever that every American has a voice, even a responsibility, to assure the continuity of the distinguished characteristics of our nation as a "government of the people, by the people, for the people".

May those who attend the summit tomorrow remember the national concepts of our forefathers, and have the courage to do their jobs like the rest of us, even in the face of adversity.

Thanks be to those who have worked so hard on this vital issue. May you have the strength of heart to maintain.

Just for the record; here's one person who really likes the public option.
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And me, may my fears not be realized.
please...

 

[DeeZire]

How peculiar life is.

I sit here now, believing more than ever that every American has a voice, even a responsibility, to assure the continuity of the distinguished characteristics of our nation as a "government of the people, by the people, for the people".

The problem with Americans having a voice is the fact that they're utterly clueless. According to this 2/19/2010 Newsweek survey, they disapprove of Obama's healthcare reform plans, until the survey explains what's in Obama's healthcare reform plans, and then they approve. They also approve of requiring everyone to obtain health insurance, but they don't approve of penalties for people who don't obtain health insurance.

Basically, the American public want healthcare reform, and they want a public option, and they want to eliminate denials for pre-existing conditions, but they don't want to have to take responsibility (pay) for it. They just want it.

We're living in a country populated by spoiled little children who have never grown up, but who have somehow reached adulthood and now vote, even though they have no clue what, or who, they're voting for.

http://www.newsweek.com/media/84/1001_ftop_v2.pdf

 

[sr71plt]

Another problem with having a voice is that most do their yapping where it has no effect and where everyone within earshot has already made up their minds and are also yapping their views--like on Internet discussion boards like this one.

Ya'all maybe need to pool your funds and buy a congressperson or two.

 

[Freefall_mc]

Another problem with having a voice is that most do their yapping where it has no effect and where everyone within earshot has already made up their minds and are also yapping their views--like on Internet discussion boards like this one.

Ya'all maybe need to pool your funds and buy a congressperson or two.

As crazy as it sounds, I imagine some people have already calculated the percentage of corp stocks that could bought with an assumed interest equivalent to a percentage of voters.

Just one camming device in the ice; this board can be glaring, as well as reveiling.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

ObamaCare's fatal flaw is Mega Corps own all the hospitals. Remember how HMOs were gonna fix the cost of healthcare? Well the insurance companies refused to pay for treatments and the hospitals kicked their asses onto the street, and their customers had nowhere to go.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

Obama care isn't about providing cost effective healthcare to everyone, it's about expanding government and the role it plays in your life. The control it has over you as a subject of the imperial federal government. The control it would have over 20% of the american economy.

Only socialists in the country would want Obamacare as it does nothing to reduce the cost or improve healthcare. Nor does it provide coverage for everyone. It only controls a large portion of the economy of our country.

 

[Freefall_mc]

Obama care isn't about providing cost effective healthcare to everyone, it's about expanding government and the role it plays in your life. The control it has over you as a subject of the imperial federal government. The control it would have over 20% of the american economy.
Only socialists in the country would want Obamacare as it does nothing to reduce the cost or improve healthcare. Nor does it provide coverage for everyone. It only controls a large portion of the economy of our country.

Not at 20% yet, though it will probably be by the end of year or worse, if someone doesn't balance the general ledger. As for who has the most control or influence over health care atm...
Off hand, I don't think insurance companies recognize public opinion.

Now if you'll pardon me, work awaits. May the day see you all well.

 

[Dragonlipz]

Obama care isn't about providing cost effective healthcare to everyone, it's about expanding government and the role it plays in your life. The control it has over you as a subject of the imperial federal government. The control it would have over 20% of the american economy.

Only socialists in the country would want Obamacare as it does nothing to reduce the cost or improve healthcare. Nor does it provide coverage for everyone. It only controls a large portion of the economy of our country.

Here in the cellar, me and Zeb are sharpening our knives and loading up to repell the socialist usurpers when they come for us....Yup!

 

[JackLuis]

I've listened to the debates and all on "Health care Reform" and other than Insurance reform, I don't hear how the "plan" is going to improve our care.

I don't hear how it is going to improve the availability of doctors in rural areas, or how it is going to improve the preventive care for our children, or reduce the amount of overhead in the system.

Now the House says that they have to pass the Senate bill before they can reconcile the bill for the President to sign.

Why can't the Senate just pass the House Bill? Oh right, that would be too easy.

I'll be glad when the health care debate is over. Then the Senate can get down to the real business of the Senate, raising re-election funds.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

JL

Everything thats going on reminds me of a Robin Cook whodunit. When the smoke clears I suspect we'll discover that Congress, Wall Street, Obama, and the Mega-Corporations have seized control of America, and America is on the menu. It dawned on me today that Obama is no socialist; he's an oligarch.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

JL

Everything thats going on reminds me of a Robin Cook whodunit. When the smoke clears I suspect we'll discover that Congress, Wall Street, Obama, and the Mega-Corporations have seized control of America, and America is on the menu. It dawned on me today that Obama is no socialist; he's an oligarch.

Nope, just a wanna be Chicago mobster.

 

[rgraham666]

The more I follow American politics the more I realize Bobby Kennedy was right.

Twenty per cent of the people hate everything all the time.

 

[DeeZire]

I've listened to the debates and all on "Health care Reform" and other than Insurance reform, I don't hear how the "plan" is going to improve our care.

I take it you missed the part about pre-existing conditions? That's a life or death situation for many people.

 

[Dragonlipz]

I take it you missed the part about pre-existing conditions? That's a life or death situation for many people.

Unless you're a federal employee and can get top quality health care - the whole family - for less than $400 a month. That's still nearly 5k a year but that's about what our members of Congress pay and what they're mulling for the American people....The Dems are, the Repubtards won't admit that there's anything wrong.....

 

[DeeZire]

Obama care isn't about providing cost effective healthcare to everyone, it's about expanding government and the role it plays in your life. The control it has over you as a subject of the imperial federal government. The control it would have over 20% of the american economy.

Paranoid much, Zeb? They say people fear the unknown. Perhaps you should consider opening your mind and embracing some knowledge, instead of spouting meaningless Tea Party slogans born out of ignorance and intolerance.

Only socialists in the country would want Obamacare as it does nothing to reduce the cost or improve healthcare. Nor does it provide coverage for everyone. It only controls a large portion of the economy of our country.

If you're complaining about Obamacare not covering everyone, then it isn't socialism, is it?

What you fail to understand, Zeb, is that in a civilized society, if the private sector fails in its attempt to provide a service like healthcare, as it is failing now (pre-existing conditions, anyone?) we can recognize this failure and attempt to remedy it by whatever means necessary. I don't think the women with a tumor in her breast is going to care whether her cure is coming from the government or the private sector, as long as she's given the opportunity to survive her prognosis. The fact that you would deny this woman her chance at survival reduces you to the level of a caveman, which begs the question: Why does a caveman like you choose to live in a civilized society?

If you really and truly believe the crap you spout on this board, you ought to prove it by relocating to a tent out in the wilderness, where you could survive by shooting wildlife and growing your own food, since taking advantage of such socialist conventions as interstate highways and clean drinking water would violate your code of ethics. Plus, you could finally live your dream of paying no taxes, which would alleviate the problem you have now - being a fervent anti-tax crusader while simultaneously taking advantage of the services provided by tax revenue.

 

[Dragonlipz]

Paranoid much, Zeb? They say people fear the unknown. Perhaps you should consider opening your mind and embracing some knowledge, instead of spouting meaningless Tea Party slogans born out of ignorance and intolerance.



If you're complaining about Obamacare not covering everyone, then it isn't socialism, is it?

What you fail to understand, Zeb, is that in a civilized society, if the private sector fails in its attempt to provide a service like healthcare, as it is failing now (pre-existing conditions, anyone?) we can recognize this failure and attempt to remedy it by whatever means necessary. I don't think the women with a tumor in her breast is going to care whether her cure is coming from the government or the private sector, as long as she's given the opportunity to survive her prognosis. The fact that you would deny this woman her chance at survival reduces you to the level of a caveman, which begs the question: Why does a caveman like you choose to live in a civilized society?

If you really and truly believe the crap you spout on this board, you ought to prove it by relocating to a tent out in the wilderness, where you could survive by shooting wildlife and growing your own food, since taking advantage of such socialist conventions as interstate highways and clean drinking water would violate your code of ethics. Plus, you could finally live your dream of paying no taxes, which would alleviate the problem you have now - being a fervent anti-tax crusader while simultaneously taking advantage of the services provided by tax revenue.

DZ - quit trying to confuse the Zebster with logic.....he ain't wired that way.....now, if you sent him a new foil hat that was tuned to something besides FIXED NEWS, that might help but I wouldn't count on it.....
'A man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest' - Paul Simon

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Whats wrong with every American getting the care Obama and Congress gets? Just open the enrollment to the folks, for the same price. Problem solved.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

Originally Posted by DeeZire
Paranoid much, Zeb? They say people fear the unknown. Perhaps you should consider opening your mind and embracing some knowledge, instead of spouting meaningless Tea Party slogans born out of ignorance and intolerance.

If you're complaining about Obamacare not covering everyone, then it isn't socialism, is it?

What you fail to understand, Zeb, is that in a civilized society, if the private sector fails in its attempt to provide a service like healthcare, as it is failing now (pre-existing conditions, anyone?) we can recognize this failure and attempt to remedy it by whatever means necessary. I don't think the women with a tumor in her breast is going to care whether her cure is coming from the government or the private sector, as long as she's given the opportunity to survive her prognosis. The fact that you would deny this woman her chance at survival reduces you to the level of a caveman, which begs the question: Why does a caveman like you choose to live in a civilized society?

If you really and truly believe the crap you spout on this board, you ought to prove it by relocating to a tent out in the wilderness, where you could survive by shooting wildlife and growing your own food, since taking advantage of such socialist conventions as interstate highways and clean drinking water would violate your code of ethics. Plus, you could finally live your dream of paying no taxes, which would alleviate the problem you have now - being a fervent anti-tax crusader while simultaneously taking advantage of the services provided by tax revenue.

What a maroon, no wonder I have you on ignore and the only way I get to read your drivel is if some poor slob quotes you. And if you believe the shit you spout you would emigrate to China or North Korea.

Healthcare is not a problem in America. The doctors and hospitals provide the best in the world. The problem is that people like you want it for free or at such a low cost that every clinic, hospital and medical provider would be bankrupt.

Insurance is supposed to cover catastrophic events...you don't expect your car insurance to pay for oil changes or tune up? But you expect your medical insurance to pay for routine doctors visits and checkups? You also expect your employer to provide and subsidize your medical insurance.

Pre-existing condition: Yes your current insurer wouldn't cover it but your previous insurer is required by law in most states to cover that condition. So this is a moot point in your argument. If your state doesn't have this law maybe you should lobby for a change in your state. There is no need to have the FED poke it's nose into the states business.

In the real world when when the private sector fails those that it failed for have the recourse of the courts, although there should be tort reform, the legal system is there for the private citizen. But your suggestion that we remedy by any means necessary is frightening. You suggest then that if I have a problem with the private sector I can...blow up the clinic that wouldn't treat me or shoot the CEO of the insurer that denied my claim? That's pretty extreme even for a communist like you.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

Doctors threaten Medicare backlash

The American Medical Association said doctors are either seeing fewer Medicare patients or not accepting new Medicare patients.
By Parija Kavilanz, senior writerFebruary 25, 2010: 8:11 PM ET


NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- With a 21% cut to Medicare reimbursement rates set to take effect Monday, the nation's largest physician organization has informed its members about their options -- which include shutting off practices to new Medicare patients.

"To our physicians, we are providing information on their Medicare participation options, including how to remove themselves from the Medicare program," said James Rohack, president of the American Medical Association, whose more than 250,000 members include doctors, medical students and faculty members.

 

[Freefall_mc]

In the real world when when the private sector fails those that it failed for have the recourse of the courts, although there should be tort reform, the legal system is there for the private citizen. But your suggestion that we remedy by any means necessary is frightening. You suggest then that if I have a problem with the private sector I can...blow up the clinic that wouldn't treat me or shoot the CEO of the insurer that denied my claim? That's pretty extreme even for a communist like you.

Zeb, I believe it is a credit wherever all can share their viewpoints.

Though it is dismaying to watch fallacies created out of thin air towards another's statement, it is not unusual, and has become almost anticipated from some in our society.

However, to attempt to propogate ideas of violence on this thread is nothing but misplaced anger and vindictive. It serves nothing.

 

[Dragonlipz]

Whats wrong with every American getting the care Obama and Congress gets? Just open the enrollment to the folks, for the same price. Problem solved.

JBJ - as much as I admire you and it makes me all wetnrunny when you rant at me....I get very concerned when you start agreeing with me.....You really don't wear sanity well.....

 

[Dragonlipz]

Zeb, I believe it is a credit wherever all can share their viewpoints.

However, to attempt to propogate ideas of violence on this thread is nothing but misplaced anger and vindictive. It serves nothing.

It serves up a piping hot stew of anger, blind rage, and the perception of justice for those who suffer from the Right Wing Personality Trait Disorder......
The treatment for this disorder is education but only a few of the afflicted have sufficient capacity to heal......tragic, but sadly true.............

 

[Zeb_Carter]

Zeb, I believe it is a credit wherever all can share their viewpoints.

Though it is dismaying to watch fallacies created out of thin air towards another's statement, it is not unusual, and has become almost anticipated from some in our society.

However, to attempt to propogate ideas of violence on this thread is nothing but misplaced anger and vindictive. It serves nothing.

In defense I didn't suggest violence, he did with the statement of "by any means necessary." Which the government does with the full force at their disposal. They, the government, by force, take your money, that you earned, and do with it as they want. Whether it for the national defense or to stuff into their pockets. So you can cut that psycho babble crap you tend to spout to make yourself seem superior.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

JBJ - as much as I admire you and it makes me all wetnrunny when you rant at me....I get very concerned when you start agreeing with me.....You really don't wear sanity well.....

Keep your eye on THIS prize: The same as Obama gets. Or he gets the same as you.

In fact, I'd be okay if he was paid what the average American makes and lives in a public housing apartment. Its PUBLIC SERVICE, right?

 

[Dragonlipz]

In defense I didn't suggest violence, he did with the statement of "by any means necessary." Which the government does with the full force at their disposal. They, the government, by force, take your money, that you earned, and do with it as they want. Whether it for the national defense or to stuff into their pockets. So you can cut that psycho babble crap you tend to spout to make yourself seem superior.

In your case no psychobabble is necessary to be superior....merely a logical and non-teabagger based thought process.....but then, you gotta go wit wacha no....u don no much.....'cept what 'FAUX NEWS' tells ya....