Have you considered the possibility of a Nuclear event between India and Pakistan?

[modest mouse]

The situation continues to brew and most familiar with nuclear history have continually said that a nuclear war would erupt when mutually assured destruction was not in place.

The possibility exists, however unlikely. How the world reacts politically, environmentally, and societally is anyone's guess.

Just kicking the idea around, any thoughts?

 

[Problem Child]

I think Pakistan has a Napoleon complex. I still can't see why we're allied with them. I wouldn't be at all surprised if they lit up a big bottle rocket on the Aryans.

 

[Shaq]

I think there was a greater chance of US and Russia setting off nukes and it didn't happen....tha'ts not to say that it won't but I don't think it is an issue we should stress about....but we should be aware...

 

[Azwed]

Somebody want the long or short version of the US's alliance with Pakistan?

 

[Marxist]

Anybody else think of yayati's cousins manning the controls [shudder] on the Pakistani side?

 

[modest mouse]

PC,

Airspace and border. Before we needed them we had islolated their leadership following the coup. now Musharaff(sp?) is trying to pull (kicking and screaming) his country into the modern Western world. pakistan can explode into factions at any moment.



Shaq,

The US and Russia had a nuclear policy, they were engaged and as I said, mutually insured destruction was the hallmark of 'peace'. india and pakistan hate each other along ethnic, religious, and historical lines in a way that never existed between the US and the Soviet Union. Most experts are more concerned with the present situation rather thana Cold War scenario.

 

[heterotic]

I think, because of that lack of mutually assured destruction and the other factors, there is a possiblilty of a nuclear exchange. What frightens me more than the actual exchange, though, is that irreversible crossing of a line, the opening of a door, if that happens. I think if they use 'em, it won't be the last time we see them in use.

 

[Shaq]

I think, because of that lack of mutually assured destruction and the other factors, there is a possiblilty of a nuclear exchange. What frightens me more than the actual exchange, though, is that irreversible crossing of a line, the opening of a door, if that happens. I think if they use 'em, it won't be the last time we see them in use.

That is the biggest concern....whenever we establish that there is an ultimate threat or issue worth using nukes over we can't help but lower the definition of ultimate everytime someone wants to acheive some goal....

P.S-The "we" I used refers to all humans....I'm a man of the world...

 

[Problem Child]

I just wonder what 8-12,000,000 (give or take a few mil) dead people are going to smell like.

 

[patient1]

PC,

Airspace and border. Before we needed them we had islolated their leadership following the coup. now Musharaff(sp?) is trying to pull (kicking and screaming) his country into the modern Western world. pakistan can explode into factions at any moment.



Shaq,

The US and Russia had a nuclear policy, they were engaged and as I said, mutually insured destruction was the hallmark of 'peace'. india and pakistan hate each other along ethnic, religious, and historical lines in a way that never existed between the US and the Soviet Union. Most experts are more concerned with the present situation rather thana Cold War scenario.

I might add that India Pakistan have already fought 3 times.

The U.S./ Soviet Union never directly confronted each other for fear of destruction.

 

[Azwed]

Pakistan lost all of those wars I think or they at least lost two of the three.

All of those wars were before Nukes came into play though.

 

[modest mouse]

I might add that India Pakistan have already fought 3 times.

The U.S./ Soviet Union never directly confronted each other for fear of destruction.

Excellent point.

 

[patient1]

Pakistan is out manned.

India wants paypack against the freedom fighter/terrorists Pakistan is protecting.

Pakistan can't betray the popular cause.

Impasse. When they start shooting, India will advance, sooner or later.

Pakistan will use the bomb to preserve it's borders & itself.

The end result will be self -destruction.

Oh, the government will endure the war. The economy won't. The society won't. It'll become Afghanistan overnight.

 

[berkley2955]

A decade ago I was rejoicing at the "end of the cold war and the nuclear threat". I felt we were going to begin a new age of peace and acceptance.
This was foolish dreaming of which we have all become painfully aware since 9/11. I have not been as worried about the threat of a nuclear holocost since we were doing "duck & cover" drills in 1962. 9/11 reminded us that religious fanatics will go to any means to attain their goal. This is true of all cultures, including those of us of Anglo-saxon descent (see Crusades).
In the nuclear age small skirmishes and wars have world-wide consequenses. Mutually Assured Destruction as well as other factors kept the US and the USSR from pushing the button however, as has been pointed out, we have no such treaties and guarantees in the India / Pakistan conflict.
How much do they have, how little is too much, is there such a thing as a "limited tactical nuclear exchange"?
There are so many questions and not enough answers.

 

[Azwed]

Pakistans missiles also do not have the range to hit most of the major population centers in India. India's missiles can hit anywhere in pakistan because they have longer range and Pakistan is so much smaller then India.

Both countries will be fucked over but Pakistan will be fucked over royaly

 

[Lost Cause]

It sounds like a bunch of natives seeing lightning for the first time! If the countries release their weapons, it will happen, and we will have to take it from there. If they don't do any ground strikes and only airbursts, it will be less terrible. Gamma radiation will be the big killer, and heat second. The shockwave from the overpressure will kill the burn victims and their hospitals and communications. Background radiation will be a lesser factor because of less fallout due to an airburst(s).
That's the worst scenario for a nuclear exchange, it would be more catastophic if they released biological agents. That would infect everyone worldwide because no warnings would be given, and the frequency of air travel to major cities would ensure infection on a global scale.
All is well.

 

[berkley2955]

Lost Cause...

The question on the thread is a Nuclear event.

Biological warfare opens a whole other can of worms. I agree that biological would be just as catastrophic but I keep going back to the Nuclear Winter scenarios drummed into us in the sixties. I was only seven but I remember the Cuban missle crisis and my aforementioned "duck & cover" drills.

 

[Guest]

 

[cybergirly]

Anybody else think of yayati's cousins manning the controls [shudder] on the Pakistani side?

OMG that is a very scary thought.
What if yayati is really posting here from some desk thats 2 feet away from the safety switch.

 

[Lost Cause]

Okay, nuclear exchange it is! The atmospheric disruption of an exchange between just the two, would be a little more than a major volcanic disruption. Since a back to back exchange has never taken place, it will be an education to the rest of us as to the health effects of it. One way or another, either it will make the nations put them away for good, or encourage them to use them on a limited scale. Check the web for jetstream activity from that region to yours, that will assist you in whether to be prepared or not. Nuke winter? Definitely not, a couple of thousand detonations, yeah maybe, if that what scares you.
The chances are slim that this exchange will ever happen. Both sides know a exchange would destroy the infrastructure of the other. The void would be filled with UN observers and allied armies for decades to come. No religious zealot would welcome that destiny.

**Historical point--Hitler had the largest stockpile of nerve agents during WW2. He never used them in fear of a like retaliation by the allies.**
Peace!

 

[Marxist]

OMG that is a very scary thought.
What if yayati is really posting here from some desk thats 2 feet away from the safety switch.

Makes one think of "Doctor Strangelove."

 

[berkley2955]

Makes one think of "Doctor Strangelove."

Do you mean PC?

 

[Marxist]

Do you mean PC?

If the glove fits, you must eat grits!

 

[Problem Child]

If the turban is too tight we must rally to the fight?

 

[berkley2955]

PC, I wondered if I would get a rise out of you. I kept thinking while writing my wordy post how ironic your AV is in a "nuclear thread"