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Jenny_Jackson

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PlayStation 3 owners ponder payoff over play
Fans, entrepreneurs braved long lines, poor weather — and violence


Paul Sakuma / AP
Justin Kwong was the first in line at the Mountain View, Calif., Best Buy when Sony's PlayStation 3 went on sale Friday.

Updated: 1 hour, 30 minutes ago
NEW YORK - Sony Corp.’s PlayStation 3 game console went on sale Friday, and the lucky few who got one were now struggling with some tough questions: Keep it, or sell it for a handsome profit? Play right now, or catch up on sleep lost standing in line?

Retailers, meanwhile, were cleaning up after midnight and morning launch events that ranged from orderly to violent, with one incident of gunfire. At the same time, they were gearing up for the Sunday launch of the next eagerly awaited console, Nintendo Co.’s Wii.

In Los Altos, Calif., Justin Kwong was looking at an unopened PlayStation 3 box and wondering what to do. He bought it Friday morning after three nights in a sleeping bag outside the Mountain View Best Buy.

Kwong, 19, and his sister had planned to get one each: one to sell and one to keep. But she wasn’t able to buy hers because of long lines outside the stores in Los Angeles, where she lives. Kwong was now waiting to get in touch with her to decide what to do with the one he got.

“Me personally, I’ve seen what they’re going for ... so I’m thinking probably of selling, because it’s such a large profit margin,” he said.

The two PS3 models cost $500 and $600 in the stores, but were selling for between $1,000 and $3,000 on eBay on Friday, with most of them toward the higher end of the range.

But many auctions that were posted earlier in the week were withdrawn before they ended, probably because the prospective sellers were not able to obtain one of the 400,000 units available at the launch.

The tight supplies led to rowdiness at several stores, and some shoppers were attacked by muggers. In Putnam, Conn., two gunmen tried to rob people lined up for the console, and shot one who refused to surrender his money. Michael Penkala, 21, of Webster, Mass., was wounded in the chest and shoulder. He was in stable condition Friday with injuries not believed to be life threatening, according to Connecticut State Police.

In Fresno, Calif., police arrested two people and threatened to use Tasers to break up a crowd that rushed a store and trampled people in the parking lot. And outside a Target store in Henrico, Va., police fired a powder ball at the ground to get the attention of an unruly crowd of about 350 people.

Sergio Deynes, 26, who camped out at a Best Buy in New York since Monday, said the people with him at the front of the line were “beautiful.”

“It was the people in the back who were desperate who messed things up for a lot of us,” Deynes said.

His cousin, who camped with Deynes, immediately sold his PS3 for $2,500. Deynes is keeping his, however.

“Hearing all these numbers definitely made me very conflicted,” Deynes said, but “thinking of all that I went through, I’m not getting rid of this thing ... Last night the rain messed up our tents and we got soaked and we had to sleep in the freezing cold.”

Deynes said he had two thoughts in his head: “Man, I could go to sleep, or I could play this for a little bit.”

Taking a loss
Meanwhile, technology research firm iSuppli Corp. reported taking apart a console to analyze its components.

It found that each $600 console costs Sony $840 to make. ISuppli notes that it’s common for manufacturers to take a loss on the hardware, calculating that they’ll make it up with game sales. Also, component costs should come down in the future.

“Still, the size of Sony’s loss per unit is remarkable, even for the video-game console business,” iSuppli said.

The company called the console “an engineering masterpiece,” more akin to expensive corporate hardware than a consumer-level computer.

In Philadelphia, Glenn Giersdorf had his PS3 up and running but didn’t see it as being an immediate step up from Microsoft Corp.’s Xbox 360 console, which went on sale a year ago. He said a new Xbox title, “Gears of War,” actually looked a little bit better than the equivalent PS3 game, “Resistance: Fall of Man.”

This is natural, Giersdorf said, as games that are available for the launch of a console generally aren’t as good as games that come out later, when developers have learned to take advantage of all the features of the hardware.

“By 2008, Sony is going to be showing that the console has more ability and power than the 360,” said Giersdorf, 35.

Giersdorf is also getting a Wii, ostensibly for his 4-year-old son.

“That’s how I’m kind of selling it to his mom,” Giersdorf said.

The launch of the Wii is expected be less dramatic than the PS3 launch, because Nintendo will have about 10 times as many units available as Sony.

Nintendo’s fan base is also smaller. It sold 21 million units of its previous console, the GameCube, compared to 110 million for Sony’s PlayStation 2. But it’s quite possible that the Wii could grab some market share from Sony with its family-friendly games, $250 price tag and innovative motion-sensing controller.

“It’s very, very tempting to a parent,” said Giersdorf. “The graphics don’t look as nice as the PS3 or 360, but the graphics are fine.”
 
I guess I've lost mine cause I want one (the PS3)... but I'm waiting until they're available without standing in line for ages (and for when I've actually got enough money to buy one.)
 
My brother was almost arrested for assault when he went to buy a PS3. When they opened the line to go get them a stampede started. Someone pushed him into a woman and she fell down. He stopped and helped her up and made sure she was all right. After both of them missed out on getting a PS3 and had to settle for rain checks, she decided to call the police and have him arrested. The cops came and reviewed the store security tape and saw what happened. They told her that they knew it was an accident and that he stopped to help her. She still insisted that they arrest him! The cop told the woman, "Shut up! I'm not arresting him." My brother kind of deserved that kind of headache, though, for bothering with that mess.
 
The pathetic thing is how stupid everyone makes themselves appear by their actions. Do they realize that there are men in suits laughing at them over how easy it is to control the public? I've never understood the mindset that it's so important to be first that you are willing to do anything to get there (including hurting someone else). Then again, I've never understood people who aren't happy unless they have the shoes or clothes with the right name on them. If I was a conspiracy theorist, I'd have to wonder if this whole thing was a plan to practice exerting control over the masses (but I'm not, so I just think it's pathetic).

At least Boota's brother stopped to help. That's amazing considering the mob mentality that is going on in most places.
 
I think limited release is idiotic anyway. If they want to do things that way, they can just run a lotto for numbers for online registrants and avoid all this shit.
 
lucky-E-leven said:
I think limited release is idiotic anyway. If they want to do things that way, they can just run a lotto for numbers for online registrants and avoid all this shit.
They want the shit. It's free press. "People riot over the new PS3" is the best headline in the world, of you're the CEO of Sony.
 
Liar said:
They want the shit. It's free press. "People riot over the new PS3" is the best headline in the world, of you're the CEO of Sony.
I guess I'm of the belief that the demand for their product is a guarantee. My opinion of good press is giving out twice that many to begin with and letting all those people blog and write reviews for the console. We all know it'll be good. It's just a matter of how long you have to wait to get your hands on one, and I think if they're producing them to turn a profit, why fuck around with starting riots in small computer stores?

But you're right, that's not how things operate.
 
lucky-E-leven said:
I guess I'm of the belief that the demand for their product is a guarantee. My opinion of good press is giving out twice that many to begin with and letting all those people blog and write reviews for the console. We all know it'll be good. It's just a matter of how long you have to wait to get your hands on one, and I think if they're producing them to turn a profit, why fuck around with starting riots in small computer stores?

But you're right, that's not how things operate.

actually, there is some debate over whether or not these strategies actually help sell more consoles...the problem is that they appear to work and therefore people are afraid to go against "prevailing wisdom"....no one wants to be the one to change strategy, fail...and lose their livelihood. Sooner or later, someone will take the chance.

Until then, they will continue this type of "event marketing".
 
I used to run a nightclub. The absolute best advertisement we ever had was when we had to turn people away when we had a really popular act. If the people can't get in, it must be good!
 
There's a sci-fi story that was written in the sixties entitled 'The Marching Morons' by C.M. Kornbluth (Pseud. ?) that somewhat explains activity such as we are witnessing here.

I know I'm a card-carrying cynic (a soft hearted one), but there are aspects of today's society that frankly leave me baffled.

Celebrity and athlete worship, gossip tabloids, game shows, etc.; the list goes on. Bread and circuses for the sheeples keeps em' focused on the trivial.

Don't mean to be so down this close to the holidays, but sometimes I wonder...

Peace.

Tom (TE999).
 
lucky-E-leven said:
I guess I'm of the belief that the demand for their product is a guarantee. My opinion of good press is giving out twice that many to begin with and letting all those people blog and write reviews for the console. We all know it'll be good. It's just a matter of how long you have to wait to get your hands on one, and I think if they're producing them to turn a profit, why fuck around with starting riots in small computer stores?

But you're right, that's not how things operate.
What they do is a little of this riot-inducing limited sale thing. That will get enough people into thinking they have to riot to get one. Then they release the things on a maaaaaassive scale, and more people will because of this rush to the stores by default, instead of waiting a few more weeks to get the console.

A fast opening month of sales will boost the Sony stock. And the faster they have the machine, the faster they can start buying games.

Ain't it a wunnerful world? :cool:
 
S-Des said:
The pathetic thing is how stupid everyone makes themselves appear by their actions. Do they realize that there are men in suits laughing at them over how easy it is to control the public?
I'm with you, S-Des! Every read Bellwetherby Connie Willis? I recommend it highly. Entertaining and charming little book which compares people to sheep ESPECIALLY with things like this--stampeding each other to get the latest "must have" game.

It theorizes all about the "herd" mentality of humans, their need to suddenly all do the same crazy thing whether it be doing the same kind of dance or getting the same kind of haircut--even if that haircut looks terrible on them.

I suppose I could understand if these were really rare and limited, but come on! :rolleyes: There will be more...and eventually, there will be a PS4. These are one-of-a-kind works of art.
 
Most of us are taught from a young age that we should get what we want when we want it.

So things like this happen. Heaven forfend we should have to do without. :rolleyes:
 
TE999 said:
I know I'm a card-carrying cynic (a soft hearted one), but there are aspects of today's society that frankly leave me baffled.
Alas, it's not new. Just magnified and enlarged thanks to global communications. Ever hear about the tulip bulb craze of 1634? The Dutch bought up tuilp bulbs like crazy, in part because they were wildly popular, in part because they thought they could make a fortune on them because they were wildly popular.

I'm afraid there's nothing modern about the PS3 craze. I'll wager that if there were records, they'd show that cave men probably did the exact same thing. Like everyone in the tribe having to have a certain type of seashell or rock :rolleyes:
 
Ok. I went to IGN.com. The Sony PS3 game was released to the public yesterday, but there are like 60+ games reviewed on IGN for the PS3. :eek:

Like they wrote the games before they had the machine? Also, most of those games are already available for both the PC and the PS2
 
Jenny_Jackson said:
Also, most of those games are already available for both the PC and the PS2
That's on of the most hilarious parts about this whole thing. Put a couple of original games out there and pad them with lots of games that are already for other systems, but with slightly better graphics. They did the same thing with the XBox 360.

And the worst part is that they're fighting over the first release systems! You know, the ones with ALL THE BUGS in them! Why would someone do that?

"Here's the version of our system that has the highest probability of crashing or having so many problems that it gets recalled, and is at the most expensive price it will ever be! Here ya go!"

"Yay!!!"

I don't get it.
 
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To answer the question being asked, some people may have lost their minds, but not me, at least not in this regard. If somebody gave me one of those things for Christmas, I would thank them perfunctorily and put it on a shelf somewhere and forget it. I play games on my computer sometimes and I have played video gsmes occasionally, but I can take them or leave them.

Actually, I don't see a lot of difference between this madness and camping out to get tickets to a concert of The Smelly Armpits or World Series tickets or Super Bowl Tickets or anything like that. :confused:
 
If it makes anyone feel better, the prices have reached a slightly less insane level than they were yesterday. Seems to have cooled pretty fast. Last night PS3's were going for $2500+ on ebay. I saw a few over $5000. Buy it now prices were about $3000.

Today the going rate seems to bea about $1000+/-. I've seen a few listed at $1100 or so with the reserve not met yet with less than a minute to go.

I can't really say reality has checked in since the damn things cost $600 retail, which I think is foolish. But it's at least a little more realistic.
 
Belegon said:
actually, there is some debate over whether or not these strategies actually help sell more consoles...the problem is that they appear to work and therefore people are afraid to go against "prevailing wisdom"....no one wants to be the one to change strategy, fail...and lose their livelihood. Sooner or later, someone will take the chance.

Until then, they will continue this type of "event marketing".

Nintendo. They are producing twice as many Wiis as Microsoft did 360s, which is about 50% more than Sony did with the PS3. Nintendo knows that the more consoles they sell fast the better. Money in their pockets and all that.
 
Jenny_Jackson said:
Ok. I went to IGN.com. The Sony PS3 game was released to the public yesterday, but there are like 60+ games reviewed on IGN for the PS3. Like they wrote the games before they had the machine? Also, most of those games are already available for both the PC and the PS2

Dear, the gaming press often gets prerelease units, so they can provide exactly the coverage you're describing. It's a normal practice. They've had PS3 and Wii for several weeks now, but they're under an embargo regarding explicit reviews and so on until the manufacturer gives the go-ahead.

Sony couldn't have messed this launch up worse if Nintendo and M$ were directing it, first they promised four million at launch, then two million, and now a few paltry hundred thousand (400,000 for North America) with news reports of riots, robberies, and shootings. Of course, any press is good press, right? Any time the bubble-headed bleach blonde that comes on at five says "PS3" that's marketing money in action.

And the Wii launches tonight, so it's bound to be an interesting fight. Personally, I'm betting on Xbox 360, cuz I've played Gears of War.
 
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Just to emphasize what Zack said:

HARTFORD, Conn. - Two armed thugs tried to rob a line of people waiting for the new PlayStation 3 game system to go on sale early Friday and shot one man who refused to give up his money, authorities said.

In Sullivan, Ind., a man was in critical condition after emergency surgery for a stab wound after he and a friend tried to rob two men of consoles they waited 36 hours in line to buy, police said.

Nationwide, short supplies of the PS3 and strong demand led to long lines of buyers, some waiting for days outside stores. Once the doors opened Friday, they pushed and shoved their way to the shelves in several cities to get at the limited supply. Two people were arrested in Fresno, Calif., after a crowd trampled people in a parking lot.

It was about 3 a.m. when the two gunmen in Putnam, a town of about 9,000 residents in northeast Connecticut, confronted 15 to 20 people standing outside a Wal-Mart store and demanded money, said State Police Lt. J. Paul Vance.

"One of the patrons resisted. That patron was shot," Vance said.

Vance said the two gunmen fled after shooting Michael Penkala, 21, of Webster, Mass., in the chest and shoulder. Penkala was in stable condition at the University of Massachusetts Medical Center in Worcester, Mass., with injuries not believed to be life threatening, Vance said.

Police were searching for the suspects, both believed to be in their teens, Vance said. He said one was wearing a ski mask and brandishing a handgun, and the other had what appeared to be a shotgun.

About 30 miles away, another shopper was beaten and robbed of his new PlayStation 3 just minutes after he bought it at a store in Manchester, police said. The shopper told police five men surrounded and beat him as he left the Shoppes at Buckland Hills with the new PlayStation.

Police Sgt. Chris Davis said the attackers pushed one of their cohorts out of the car as they drove away. That man, a 17-year-old from Windsor, was charged with robbery, larceny, assault and breach of peace.

Andrew Templeton, 20, and David Wiggins, 28, of Sullivan, Ind., were assaulted by two teens after waiting for 36 hours at a Super Wal-Mart, police said. They were unloading their PlayStation 3s from their car when two teens approached them carrying a chain and a tire iron and demanding their consoles, said Sullivan Police Chief David Story.

A fight broke out. Wiggins' nose was broken, and he stabbed one of the attackers, Dylan Moss, 19, police said. Moss was in critical condition after surgery, officials said.

Sullivan County Prosecutor Bob Springer said he plans to charge Moss and accomplice Dustin Fagg, 19, with felony robbery.

Elsewhere, two men wearing black ski masks and sunglasses made off with five consoles after holding two employees at gunpoint at an Englewood, Ohio, video game store Thursday night, police said.

A Pennsylvania teenager was also robbed of his new PlayStation by a man who tapped on his car window with a handgun in Allentown, police said.

I think when people start shooting, beating and robbing people over such things, the publicity goes from good to very, very, very bad. Because at this point, having a playstation can get you killed, so why bother?
 
3113 said:
I think when people start shooting, beating and robbing people over such things, the publicity goes from good to very, very, very bad. Because at this point, having a playstation can get you killed, so why bother?
Or, having a Playstation means you're had to kill to get it. :cool:
 
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