Has writing (reading) something ever exorcized the fantasy, for you?

[Pure]

Some claim that writing about something* (sexually unusual, adventurous, or risky, for example) 'gets it out of one's system.'

Has that ever happened to anyone?

And how about reading?

In a milder way, Has writing about something ever made you less inclined to do it?

The alternative position is that one often goes from writing/reading something to increased likelihood of trying it. From writing/reading to doing.
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*Let's leave aside obvious cases, where, for instance the thing written is a murder story. IOW, the grossly antisocial.

 

[yui]

Yes and no. Writing about a specific fantasy has lessened it for me as soon as I put it on paper. But, and this is a big but, only that specific scenario lessens, because, as a rule, I'm not aroused by my own writing. The fantasy, as a concept, typically becomes more "acceptable," more desirous, the more I write or read about it.

Luck,

Yui

 

[Guest]

*Let's leave aside obvious cases, where, for instance the thing written is a murder story. IOW, the grossly antisocial.

Fiction is fiction, stupid.

 

[BlackShanglan]

Writing about my fantasies often "excorcises" them, or moves them aside for new ones to take their place. Then again, I almost never fantasize about events taking place in real life - it's always some other time, place, gender, species, body, etc. I'm not likely to act on any of the fantasies anyway.

Shanglan

 

[Colleen Thomas]

For me, writing about a fantasy dosen't happen too often. I tend to write longer works with a story line that is so fictionalized I don't really relate to myself in the characters.

Writing about it may make a fantasy more desierable, but in my head I know that the way I wrtie it is so idealized it can't be used as a meter for what the reality would be like.

 

[Pure]

Hi Black,

I see your point,

//Then again, I almost never fantasize about events taking place in real life - it's always some other time, place, gender, species, body, etc.//

and to some extent it's a bit like colleens, in that I doubt she'll ever become a sniper in the antinazi partisans of WWII.

There are a good many romance novels of this type (fewer porn novels, though the Victorian setting has its appeal).

All well and fine. But getting at the 'core' of a story, its non-time-bound structure, I think one can still pose the question. If you, say, write of a 18th or 19th century female virgin cruelly ravished by a sadistic Countess, we are talking lesbian ravishment, force etc.

As well, there may be specific 'kinks' of the story--say, her anal penetration-- which again may have some non-context-bound appeal', including (in its essentials) grip on imagination, and hence more (or less) likelihood of being sought out.

In the same manner, though I don't read them much, a 1870s pioneer girl of the Old West who, after some trials, find a wealthy cattle rancher to settle down with, is exemplifying a 'true love' fantasy that never seems to lose its appeal; that seizes young persons, and, I think, makes them more ready to act on it (try for it), despite their not being in the Wild West.

So, again, how (if at all) does the writing affect this 'core' fantasy?
In the Black S., case, just suppose that, despite the difference of time and place, certain erotic proceedings keep turning up, even though as you say, new details displace old ones. In such a case, mightn't we say that the writing (at least) does not lessen the 'hold' that the fantasy has for you? Or, on the contrary, perhaps, through your experience of the variety of 'incarnations' the thing really loses any grip on you.

 

[BlackShanglan]

Hi Black,

I see your point,

//Then again, I almost never fantasize about events taking place in real life - it's always some other time, place, gender, species, body, etc.//

and to some extent it's a bit like colleens, in that I doubt she'll ever become a sniper in the antinazi partisans of WWII.

There are a good many romance novels of this type (fewer porn novels, though the Victorian setting has its appeal).

All well and fine. But getting at the 'core' of a story, its time-bound structure, I think one can still pose the question. If you, say, write of a 18th or 19th century female virgin cruelly ravished by a sadistic Countess, we are talking ravishment, force etc.

As well, there may be specific 'kinks' of the story--say, her anal penetration-- which again may have some non-context-bound appeal', including (in its essentials) grip on imagination, and hence more (or less) likelihood of being sought out.

In the same manner, though I don't read them much, a 1870s pioneer girl of the Old West who, after some trials, find a wealthy cattle rancher to settle down with, is exemplifying a 'true love' fantasy that never seems to lose its appeal; that seize young persons, and, I think, makes them more ready to act on it (try for it), despite their not being in the Wild West.

So, again, how (if at all) does the writing affect this 'core' fantasy?
In the Black S., case, just suppose that, despite the difference of time and place and certain erotic proceedings kept turning up, even though as you say, new details displace old ones. In such a case, mightn't we say that the writing (at least) does not lessen the 'hold' that the fantasy has for you?

That much, I certainly will buy. Power dynamics and certain other tropes have a very powerful grip on my psyche. If we're speaking on a meta/symbolic level, then they really don't go away.

They just dress up differently.

Very perceptive, Pure.

Shanglan

 

[Pure]

Hi yui,

you said in part,

The fantasy, as a concept, typically becomes more "acceptable," more desirous, the more I write or read about it.

Within certain bounds, that is my experience. Indeed in the 'supermarket' environment of literotica (despite the very common junk and boring sameness), one encounters bits of 'kink' and 'outside the box', seeds as it were, that cannot help but sometimes fall in fertile soil, for my own corrupt mind, at least.

Or, coming back to the thread question, if the seed and impulse were already there, perhaps banished as distasteful, the encounter (perhaps through a writing experience) may help cause that seed to sprout.

Best,

 

[sincerely_helene]

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[rgraham666]

Considering that my fantasy is plain old vanilla, no.

 

[minsue]

Considering that my fantasy is plain old vanilla, no.

 

[Pure]

my fantasy is plain old vanilla

and your reading too, has always been all plain vanilla.

 

[elsol]

Yes.

At this stage in my writing, my stories are always to myself about myself.

If I scratch the surface, it's not that hard to see what I'm trying to tell myself.

I.E. I had a 3 hours a day commute... wrote a story... realized from the story if I kept the commute I was going to kill everyone on the train someday.

Obviously, it's more complicated than that but hopefully you get the point.

So for me, it's not a 'specific' fantasy but a 'hangup'... like Teen-MC, once I complete my opus in that I fully expect never to read, write, or be fascinated by that class of story again.

And let me tell you... If it says TEEN and MC, I guarantee I'll read it.

Sincerely,
ElSol

 

[yui]

Yes.

At this stage in my writing, my stories are always to myself about myself.

If I scratch the surface, it's not that hard to see what I'm trying to tell myself.

I.E. I had a 3 hours a day commute... wrote a story... realized from the story if I kept the commute I was going to kill everyone on the train someday.

Obviously, it's more complicated than that but hopefully you get the point.

So for me, it's not a 'specific' fantasy but a 'hangup'... like Teen-MC, once I complete my opus in that I fully expect never to read, write, or be fascinated by that class of story again.

And let me tell you... If it says TEEN and MC, I guarantee I'll read it.

Sincerely,
ElSol

Psst, ElSol! What does "MC" mean. I am sure it is intuitively obvious to the most casual observer, but I keep coming back to "MasterCard."

 

[elsol]

Sorry...

Mind Control.

Sincerely,
ElSol

 

[yui]

Sorry...

Mind Control.

Sincerely,
ElSol

Oh! Duh! Sorry, that's just not my kink so I kept looping back to MasterCard! Sorry!

 

[elsol]

Oh! Duh! Sorry, that's just not my kink so I kept looping back to MasterCard! Sorry!

Hey that at least makes sense...

BDSM to ElSol

BoDy Sex & Me...

That's what think when I see those words.

ElSol

 

[Pure]

Got that, elsol,

like Teen-MC, once I complete my opus in that I fully expect never to read, write, or be fascinated by that class of story again.

But the other aspect of the question (about 'appeal') would have to do with behavior-- or impulses to it. So I ask you, after the completed opus if you're on a lush sparsely populated island with no police force, and you run into a semi-compliant (and late) teen, and just happen to have your stock of scopolamine handy....

 

[elsol]

But the other aspect of the question (about 'appeal') would have to do with behavior-- or impulses to it. So I ask you, after the completed opus if you're on a lush sparsely populated island with no police force, and you run into a semi-compliant (and late) teen, and just happen to have your stock of scopolamine handy....

I think it's different for me...

My interest/fascination isn't for me, as an adult, to have sex with teenage females. The bodies are hot, but the conversation leaves much to be desired.

My interest lies in me, as a teenager, having sex with said teenage females. Mostly, because in my teens I didn't have those experiences and I had very little control of my life.

Writing for me allows that objective look and 'experience' of those events in a format that is significantly more idealized than it ever could be.

I think it works that way because I've always expressed my self best in the written form, and I'm also capable of talking myself out of feeling things by analysis of the situation.

Things become much less interesting when you understand what drives you towards them, at least for me.

ElSol

 

[oggbashan]

Writing about something has never exorcised the fantasy, only the particular plot that encapsulates the fantasy.

I am always looking for a twist to a sexual fantasy, the something that makes the normal slightly abnormal. Some of the results can evoke 'Eucck!' or satirise the particularly fantasy.

I try to write about other people's fantasies in ways that are appealing to them if not to me. As I have said several times before my ultimate challenge is to write something about Kerala (S. India) Women's Hairy and Sweaty Armpits. Once I have produced a story that satisfies that particular fetish I will have exorcised that fantasy. I find it difficult to imagine the attraction. Once that story is written I would never revisit that fetish.

Og