Haka

[KimGordon67]

Then they'd be Scottish. They'd have everyone else taking the piss about how tight fisted they are, their diet of deep fried Mars bars and cheap booze, and their skirts.

Perhaps what unifies the Brits is taking the piss out of ourselves and each other...

I suspect that's a quality we inherited in the colonies.

 

[Hal9000_]

The New Orleans funeral dirge has no relevance?

https://aeon.co/videos/the-reverence-and-revelry-of-a-new-orleans-jazz-funeral-procession

 

[dolf]

The New Orleans funeral dirge has no relevance?

https://aeon.co/videos/the-reverence-and-revelry-of-a-new-orleans-jazz-funeral-procession

That's pretty cool.

We do funerals badly here. It's mostly dreary religious songs that nobody knows anymore, so there's a lot of awkward mumbling and mouthing the words in case we get it wrong.

I want green eggs and ham read at my funeral. Just for the amusement gained from the thought of a stuffy vicar trying to keep a straight face.

 

[Hal9000_]

étoiles...

 

[dolf]

I suspect that's a quality we inherited in the colonies.

Clearly not all of them.

 

[Pocketshaver]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beXW5s3ZCB4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sCo5GaDq7k


THATS singing you lame ass bitches.....



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4gBykQylm4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlJy5N1rx9o

that's how you make an entrance.... bitch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Xjr2hnOHiM

that's how you intimidate your opponent

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoXDzsuqXFg

don't fuck with a mans coffee

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZQ2jfTKqyg



funny that everyone seems to think islamics are BLACK..... dumb bitch....

 

[Hal9000_]

funny that everyone seems to think islamics are BLACK..... dumb bitch....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsHErd5Sd8U

You're weird.

 

[KimGordon67]

Clearly not all of them.

Oh... no. True.

 

[KimGordon67]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsHErd5Sd8U

You're weird.

I don't even know what he's talking about?

 

[Hal9000_]

I don't even know what he's talking about?

I commend your attitude and stick to it tiveness.

You are better than I.

 

[dolf]

He deserves a participation award.

 

[dolf]

... and to be made to Morris dance.

 

[KimGordon67]

... and to be made to Morris dance.

Oh come now ... that's a bridge too far, really. Let's try to stay humane here, even for those who don't really deserve it.

 

[dolf]

Oh come now ... that's a bridge too far, really. Let's try to stay humane here, even for those who don't really deserve it.

Women aren't allowed to Morris, traditionally. So you know what I endured? Maypole dancing! Truth. At school they forced 7yo girls to dance around a symbolic phalus. Is it any wonder I grew up perverted?

I believe in sharing the suffering.

 

[KimGordon67]

Women aren't allowed to Morris, traditionally. So you know what I endured? Maypole dancing! Truth. At school they forced 7yo girls to dance around a symbolic phalus. Is it any wonder I grew up perverted?

I believe in sharing the suffering.

Well, I can see why women are barred from Morris dancing ... such a masculine expression of masculinity is obviously just too masculine for them.
(And I mean that in the nicest possible way in respect of the men out there who aren't particularly masculine ... because I'm sure even you wouldn't want to Morris dance.)

 

[dolf]

Well, I can see why women are barred from Morris dancing ... such a masculine expression of masculinity is obviously just too masculine for them.
(And I mean that in the nicest possible way in respect of the men out there who aren't particularly masculine ... because I'm sure even you wouldn't want to Morris dance.)

They have an evil twin. The black mollies.
But, though the blackface was originally a disguise (because they were up to no good), rather than a racial parody, I don't think it's really appropriate to make that the national dance. "Give us cash and beer to make us fuck off" is a little too historically accurate of the English character anyway.

 

[KimGordon67]

They have an evil twin. The black mollies.
But, though the blackface was originally a disguise (because they were up to no good), rather than a racial parody, I don't think it's really appropriate to make that the national dance. "Give us cash and beer to make us fuck off" is a little too historically accurate of the English character anyway.

Huh - I never knew about that.

 

[dolf]

Few do​

.

 

[KimGordon67]

Few do​

.

It's kind of adorable ... but I see what you mean about the blackface thing.

 

[beew]

Following the terrorist attack, the Haka is back in the news. Biker gangs, school children, etc. all performing the Haka to show respect and unity.

Current events aside, I'm hugely jealous of the New Zealanders having this awesome tradition. Watching the All Blacks rugby team performances always gives me goosebumps, and must be pretty intimidating to face. They might well have the coolest national dance in the world.

And you know what us Brits get? Fucking Morris dancing

I think that it's certainly an interesting tradition, but it's being overplayed.
I remember two types of introductions to Maori culture:

Some sort of cultural workshop during which an elder performed some strange ritual and told us off for being late in Maori, and we were asked to hop on one foot and imitate the Haka in the garden.
-- Our thoughts after it: "Wtf was this gibber jab? Talk to us like we're all in the 21st century. We feel ridiculous."

Then this Maori guy showed us around during orientation day, and talked about their spiritual life and art, and the centrality of the land in their life philosophy.
-- We felt mesmerized.

 

[SalviaDivinorum]

Lame. We're just lame.
And rude. Lame and rude.

These guys, on the other hand, have a worthy response.

I'd rather watch a match of that than of rugby, to be honest.

 

[KimGordon67]

I'd rather watch a match of that than of rugby, to be honest.

I pretty much only watch the opening ten minutes of the All Blacks vs any-Pacific-nation games for the haka-off. Then I got back to drinking wine and ignoring sports.

 

[dolf]

I'd rather watch a match of that than of rugby, to be honest.

Hell yeah!

I think that it's certainly an interesting tradition, but it's being overplayed.
I remember two types of introductions to Maori culture:

Some sort of cultural workshop during which an elder performed some strange ritual and told us off for being late in Maori, and we were asked to hop on one foot and imitate the Haka in the garden.
-- Our thoughts after it: "Wtf was this gibber jab? Talk to us like we're all in the 21st century. We feel ridiculous."

Then this Maori guy showed us around during orientation day, and talked about their spiritual life and art, and the centrality of the land in their life philosophy.
-- We felt mesmerized.

Watching people who grew up with it, performing with passion and pride, isn't really the same thing as getting a bunch of ignorant foreigners to make prats of themselves.

 

[KimGordon67]

Watching people who grew up with it, performing with passion and pride, isn't really the same thing as getting a bunch of ignorant foreigners to make prats of themselves.

Quite. I'm now entirely sure how the indigenous culture of the country can be 'overplayed' ... but oh well.

 

[beew]

Hell yeah!


Watching people who grew up with it, performing with passion and pride, isn't really the same thing as getting a bunch of ignorant foreigners to make prats of themselves.

I wasn't trying to pick on your thread, which was appropriate. You guys are understandably interested and curious, given the recent events.
But it reminded me of something.

One of the things on the part of Westerners, that made me over the years:
When they want to praise certain foreign cultures, they pick the most archaic or primitive stuff from those cultures' past, they bat their eyelashes and act like children, to show that they're 'woke'.

That's what irritated me about Anthony Bourdain too - his top-down portrayal of the Middle East and E or SE Europe.

What NZ does well on the other hand, is the Wellington Museum: it's in one of the most tourist-ii spot, and it shows oral traditions in combination with art and philosophical underpinnings. Their art (jewelry, sculptures) are exquisite.