Guy Stuff - NFL Draft 2006

[BlackSnake]

BlackS? You are Sooo homoerotic!!!!

Heheehee....I thought you was going to call me a foot fucker. Tried it out as, hum...research for my story. Shot a pretty long stream there....

 

[Colleen Thomas]

Not all that surprising. You have to look at what they might look like in the NFL. Personnally, I think Matt Leinart is overrated. Good QB, but he doesn't have the long ball, but if it makes you feel any better Vincent Young was only #3 instead of #2 as I would have suspected.

The knocks on Leinart are the same they made on Joe Montana. I think the real problem with Matt is that he played at USC. That squad, with all that talent around him, made teams less reliant on what he has done n the field and in the pure tangibles, he has less to offer.

I think the Titans made a mistake taking young over Lienart. Lienart will fit norm Chow's system better, he's played in it and he's an accomplishe dthrower. Young's passing mechanics are so awkward. Everytime I saw him throw in the title game all I could think was, if he get's hit by a strognside blitzer with his arm out like that, his rotator cuff is going to be shredded.

Of course, they are ecperts and have fully scouted them, so maybe his delviery isn't a conern or they believe he can alter his mechanics and keep his accuracy.

 

[Rumple Foreskin]

The biggest surprise of the first day for me was LenDale White of USC dropping into the second round.

THREAD JACK ALERT!

Snake, I was looking over your story list, and maybe this is just me, but it seemed like you have a "thing" for giving characters names that begin with "J". For instance:

Joseph - Julia - John - Jeff - Jacob - Justin - Josh - Julie

Is that an example of clever marketing to "stamp" your stories or is it just one of those coincidences? Whatever the case, don't forget: Jerry, Jerome, Jake, June, Jenny/Jennifer Joey/Josephine and, of course, Jack and Jill.

Bayou Bill

 

[BlackSnake]

The knocks on Leinart are the same they made on Joe Montana. I think the real problem with Matt is that he played at USC. That squad, with all that talent around him, made teams less reliant on what he has done n the field and in the pure tangibles, he has less to offer.

I think the Titans made a mistake taking young over Lienart. Lienart will fit norm Chow's system better, he's played in it and he's an accomplishe dthrower. Young's passing mechanics are so awkward. Everytime I saw him throw in the title game all I could think was, if he get's hit by a strognside blitzer with his arm out like that, his rotator cuff is going to be shredded.

Of course, they are ecperts and have fully scouted them, so maybe his delviery isn't a conern or they believe he can alter his mechanics and keep his accuracy.

You are figgin scary....so much knowledge about the game. Matt is no Joe Montana. You are right. My feelings comes from the fact that he was not a shining star at USC, just the QB on a well coached team. Now the RB, is different. You get to see his skill everytime he touches the ball. Of course, the OL has to do their job, but it the YAL or YAC yards that matter.

Matt's short game is awsome. I'll hand him that, but this is the NFL. He'll end up with a Micheal Vick throughing pattern, TE, TE, TE, TE, RB, and never hit a wide reciever.

 

[BlackSnake]

The biggest surprise of the first day for me was LenDale White of USC dropping into the second round.

THREAD JACK ALERT!

Snake, I was looking over your story list, and maybe this is just me, but it seemed like you have a "thing" for giving characters names that begin with "J". For instance:

Joseph - Julia - John - Jeff - Jacob - Justin - Josh - Julie

Is that an example of clever marketing to "stamp" your stories or is it just one of those coincidences? Whatever the case, don't forget: Jerry, Jerome, Jake, June, Jenny/Jennifer Joey/Josephine and, of course, Jack and Jill.

Bayou Bill

"The BlackSnake Code" Hehehee....the hero in the horror story I am working on name is Julie. It's really not all the clever. Look at your keyboard. I am right handed, and I tap my fingers. lkjfkjjlkljjljjk;ljj;jjjl;lkjkjjj;kjjkjjljlkj;lklkjlkjkjlkjlkj

Mystery solved. No really, I like names that start with J.

 

[R. Richard]

One item that will impact the Vince Young vs Matt Leinert debate is the situations in which each guy will start.

Vince Young will play in Tennessee, where they may or may not have a quarterback. This could result in Vince being thrown into games as a rookie QB starter, which is usually destructive.

Matt Leinart will play in Arid Zona where they have poor Kurt Warner available to break in yet another rookie QB. Matt can be eased into a starting role and brought along slowly. That doesn't mean guaranteed success, but it definitely helps.

The other item that I wonder about is Vince Young's running. When a QB tries to run in the pro game, the other team has an opportunity to take him out with hard but clean shots. The pros have supermen who can do just exactly that.

It will be interesting.

 

[ElizabethWest]

Thanks Colly, for defending the woman's right to participate in "guy stuff."

I watched the first hour of the draft yesterday. Not usually my thing but they had really been building up the suspense on ESPN radio, of which I am an addict. Mike&Mike, Dan Patrick, Erik Kuselias. . . *swoon*

 

[Colleen Thomas]

You are figgin scary....so much knowledge about the game. Matt is no Joe Montana. You are right. My feelings comes from the fact that he was not a shining star at USC, just the QB on a well coached team. Now the RB, is different. You get to see his skill everytime he touches the ball. Of course, the OL has to do their job, but it the YAL or YAC yards that matter.

Matt's short game is awsome. I'll hand him that, but this is the NFL. He'll end up with a Micheal Vick throughing pattern, TE, TE, TE, TE, RB, and never hit a wide reciever.

LOL,

Anyting I do, I try to do well, so when my brothers had me join their fantasy league a few years ago to fill out a ten man league, I was everybody's whipping girl. I'm not terribly competitive, but I hate looseing to my brothers, so I sat down, read some histories, studied some breakdown books and began watching games.

My oldest brother is a football encyclopedia. And he's willing to teach anyone who will listen. He played Line backer, so I got an intensive education in defense. I know the offensive side less well, but am still learning.

The thing with Matt is, he can throw the long ball accurately. And he has great zip on the intermediate routes. Give him a fitzgerald or Bouldquin who will go get the ball and he can be a dangerous downfield passer, given that he has the time. The big concern is his mobility, but if you look at it fairly, Marino wasn't that mobile, nor is Maning of Brad Johnson or trent dilfer. In fact, if you look at recent superbowl winners, You don't see a vick or culpepper or Mcnabb.

I can't remember the last realy mobil QB to win one. Elway perhaps? Doug Willams back in the day with the skins? Farve when he was young, although he wasn't really considered a runing qb. I think the option to tuck it and run breeds a lack of patience to let things develop downfield.

 

[Lord DragonsWing]

As a Saints fan, I'm estatic with Bush falling into our lap. Leinart went the way I expected. Although I might of rated Cutler ahead of him with his talent. Leinart found a good team where he'll learn from a good QB. The sad part for him is he could of gotten millions more if he'd of signed up for the draft last year. Ngata went higher than I expected. He showed very little drive or motivation throughout the season. I honestly don't think he's the one to help Lewis out. There were alot of games Oregon played where Ngata was beaten on the line. Wintner was a surprise. But he's not a bad choice.
The Chiefs taking Croyle in the second round surprised me. I live in Bama and have watched Croyle the last few years. I would rate him as one of the worse QB's in the draft. If Alabama would of had a decent QB, they'd of fought for the National Title. Croyle is far from decent.

 

[S-Des]

Running QB . . . Bad!

I might be wrong, but I don't think Young is going to even be as good as Michael Vic. Ask Mr. Vic about what happens when an incredibly athletic quarterback tries to run against a team like the Bears. Mr. Urlacher, meet Mr. Vic. Mr. Vic, meet the ground.

I don't know if any of the QBs are going to be good or not, but I keep hearing that the unhearalded ones have the best chance of succeeding. I do love Arizona's pics, they really have improved that team over the last couple of years. Denver & San Fran did great this year. I think somebody slipped something into Jerry Angelo's drink (the Bears GM). They traded out of the first round, then picked the same guy twice (CB who returns kicks). I they don't stay healthy this year, they are in trouble.

Come to think of it, the Bears probably aren't very popular on this site. They disbanded their cheerleading squad in the 80's and have never brought them back. I miss our honeybears. They were a very important part of my teenage years (hmmm, maybe there's a story idea there).


....S-Des

 

[Colleen Thomas]

I might be wrong, but I don't think Young is going to even be as good as Michael Vic. Ask Mr. Vic about what happens when an incredibly athletic quarterback tries to run against a team like the Bears. Mr. Urlacher, meet Mr. Vic. Mr. Vic, meet the ground.

I don't know if any of the QBs are going to be good or not, but I keep hearing that the unhearalded ones have the best chance of succeeding. I do love Arizona's pics, they really have improved that team over the last couple of years. Denver & San Fran did great this year. I think somebody slipped something into Jerry Angelo's drink (the Bears GM). They traded out of the first round, then picked the same guy twice (CB who returns kicks). I they don't stay healthy this year, they are in trouble.

Come to think of it, the Bears probably aren't very popular on this site. They disbanded their cheerleading squad in the 80's and have never brought them back. I miss our honeybears. They were a very important part of my teenage years (hmmm, maybe there's a story idea there).


....S-Des

The bears had the luxury of not having glaring holes to fill. They had the luxury of taking projects and chances.

SF couldn't help but do well, I mean really, the local mailman is probably qualified to be a back up on that team.


Running Qb's don't do well usually, because once you pas the Line, you're fre game and the backers and Db's will forget form and just try to wallop you. Give young his props though, he's fast and elusive enough that he didn't take too many big hits even when he did run. That said, NFl caliber backers and Db's will put a hurting on him if he doe sit too often.

 

[Colleen Thomas]

As a Saints fan, I'm estatic with Bush falling into our lap. Leinart went the way I expected. Although I might of rated Cutler ahead of him with his talent. Leinart found a good team where he'll learn from a good QB. The sad part for him is he could of gotten millions more if he'd of signed up for the draft last year. Ngata went higher than I expected. He showed very little drive or motivation throughout the season. I honestly don't think he's the one to help Lewis out. There were alot of games Oregon played where Ngata was beaten on the line. Wintner was a surprise. But he's not a bad choice.
The Chiefs taking Croyle in the second round surprised me. I live in Bama and have watched Croyle the last few years. I would rate him as one of the worse QB's in the draft. If Alabama would of had a decent QB, they'd of fought for the National Title. Croyle is far from decent.

Bama lost their real shot tat the title when that kid broke his ankle. He was such a difference maker. Can't call his name up now.

Croyle is, in my opinion, destined to be a crackerjack clipboard holder in the NFL. He's not greatly talented, but he's smart and efficint. He won't win you many games, but he won't loose to many on his own either. That makes him a natural backup for a good Qb. Able to do mop up duty, able to step in if Mr. Fantastic is out three or four games and do a credible job, and smart enough not to buy into the hype when Mr. Fantastic struggles and fans are calling for a change at QB.

 

[R. Richard]

SF couldn't help but do well, I mean really, the local mailman is probably qualified to be a back up on that team.

Please Colly, as a matter of fairness, do not reveal San Fransisco's secret strategy!

 

[R. Richard]

One item that will impact the Vince Young vs Matt Leinert debate is the situations in which each guy will start.

Vince Young will play in Tennessee, where they may or may not have a quarterback. This could result in Vince being thrown into games as a rookie QB starter, which is usually destructive.

Matt Leinart will play in Arid Zona where they have poor Kurt Warner available to break in yet another rookie QB. Matt can be eased into a starting role and brought along slowly. That doesn't mean guaranteed success, but it definitely helps.

The other item that I wonder about is Vince Young's running. When a QB tries to run in the pro game, the other team has an opportunity to take him out with hard but clean shots. The pros have supermen who can do just exactly that.

It will be interesting.

Please note:
Tennessee is now, per his agent, about to trade Steve McNair to Baltimore to save a HUGE hit on their salary cap.

Vince Young, rookie quarterback, meet Superman Linebacker and King Kong Krusher Defensive tackle. Welcome to the NFL!

 

[Huckleman2000]

Please note:
Tennessee is now, per his agent, about to trade Steve McNair to Baltimore to save a HUGE hit on their salary cap.

Vince Young, rookie quarterback, meet Superman Linebacker and King Kong Krusher Defensive tackle. Welcome to the NFL!

As a lifelong Packer fan, I can only say good luck to Tennessee and Vince Young. I recall early in Favre's career when he relied on his arm and his instincts about 95% of the time - good thing he had Sterling Sharpe on the other end of those ropes! Also, some good coaching to give him some structure - luckily, he caught on fast. Plus, even though he was elusive behind the line of scrimmage, it was all about buying enough time to throw the ball. You don't start 220+ straight games unless you finish most plays perpendicular to the ground.

I don't think Young and Favre are the same type of talent, but Young had better learn how to read defenses and check down recievers before he takes off on his feet if he wants to be more than a rookie phenom.

 

[R. Richard]

As a lifelong Packer fan, I can only say good luck to Tennessee and Vince Young. I recall early in Favre's career when he relied on his arm and his instincts about 95% of the time - good thing he had Sterling Sharpe on the other end of those ropes! Also, some good coaching to give him some structure - luckily, he caught on fast. Plus, even though he was elusive behind the line of scrimmage, it was all about buying enough time to throw the ball. You don't start 220+ straight games unless you finish most plays perpendicular to the ground.

I don't think Young and Favre are the same type of talent, but Young had better learn how to read defenses and check down recievers before he takes off on his feet if he wants to be more than a rookie phenom.

As Colly has pointed out, the ability of a pro quarterback to function as a running back is a mixed blessing. Most of the time, the quarterback is tempted to run too often and the NFL caliber defenders like to take out quarterbacks.