Guns Don’t “go Off.”

[Todd-'o'-Vision]

Ok … the cat’s out of the bag. I told you about this incident on the show yesterday, I just didn’t name the parties involved. Now it’s in the newspaper --- and the newspaper is putting it’s normal slant on things.

The headline reads “Weapon goes off in front of Barr.” Under that we read “Pistol fires as it’s handed to him.”

My grip is not so much with the parties involved as it is with the way this story is being reported.

What happened? Well, Bob Barr was at a fundraiser at the home of lobbyist Bruce Widener. Widener had a pistol he wanted to show bar. The official story line is that the pistol accidentally discharged “as it passed between the congressman” and Widener. Widener says “one of us hit the trigger.” He isn’t sure just who that someone was.

Yeah, right.

OK ….. let’s deal with the newspaper headlines. “Weapon Goes Off.” “Pistol Fires.” Weapons are inanimate objects. They don’t just “go off” without human interaction. Pistols don’t “fire.” You fire pistols. You pull the trigger and the pistol fires. Simple. No finger on the trigger, the pistol doesn’t fire. The newspaper headlines seek to put the blame on the pistol, not on the people handling it. It’s not “Pistol fires.” It’s “Pistol fired.” Put the blame where it belongs – on one person who hands a pistol with a bullet in the chamber to another person – and on a person who takes that pistol without first asking the owner to make sure the chamber is empty. Just pure, simple, dumb firearm safety.

No … nobody was hurt. One glass door was declared DRT. Talk about pure luck. Wouldn’t the leftist, anti-gun media have just loved to get its hands on a story about an NRA board member nailing a guest at a fundraiser with a pistol that “wasn’t loaded?”

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[QuickDuck]

No comment.

No offense, but i get into to much trouble when i speak to Americans about gun control

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[markb325]

One thing a sidearm or any firearm can go off without the trigger being pulled. It is called dropping the weapon. Outside of that the gentlemen was an idiot for passing over a loaded weapon.

 

[sexy-girl]

people are to stupid to have guns in my opinion

 

[fgarvb1]

The scar on my leg begs to differ!

I would suggest taking any used firearm a part and inspecting it for worn parts before using it.

a word from "Quickdraw" fgarvb1.

( I think it was ole Quickdraw they called me at the ER.)




Gun control is hitting what you shoot at.

 

[Todd-'o'-Vision]

people are to stupid to have guns in my opinion

please do not take an attack on you sexxy girl, hell you know I think you are hot.


but if people don't have a right to guns who is going to protect them from career criminals who love defenseless victims?

Please don't say police unless you can guarentee one iffiuce 24/7 for every gunless people

 

[sexy-girl]

todd i wish i could present you a decent arguement but its to late here and im not well ... i do like you also though ... but i know i could never change your mind even if i was fully awake not just you but anyone that believed in the right to have guns

people have different views about gun laws and the two sides seem quite unbending in their views ... i dont think either side can 100% know which is best i just know in my gut i feel its wrong to have guns freely available and i think there is evidence to back me up also (i dont just go on gut feeling) but there is probably other evidence you could post that would refute what i posted and me you


so i will just say i dont believe in guns or that they should be freely available

 

[QuickDuck]

people have different views about gun laws and the two sides seem quite unbending in their views ... i dont think either side can 100% know which is best i just know in my gut i feel its wrong to have guns freely available and i think there is evidence to back me up also (i dont just go on gut feeling) but there is probably other evidence you could post that would refute what i posted and me you


so i will just say i dont believe in guns or that they should be freely available

here here

comming from a country where guns are not the norm and for someone to own one is very rare (i know someone will come give me statistics to prove me otherwise, but i LIVE here and go by what i see), i simply do not believe in them, nor do i believe anyone should have one.

/rant off

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[Samuari]

How does one believe or not belive in guns? They exist and will cointinue to exist what ever you think or wish about them. the question is how should the privite ownership of guns be handled? Personally I think that it should be mandtory for all adults to carry a weapon on thier hip, in full view, at all times, in public. It would be a MUCH more polite society.

 

[Booty Bandit]

They can make as many new gun laws as they want.....Im keeping mine

 

[scylis]

How does one believe or not belive in guns? They exist and will cointinue to exist what ever you think or wish about them. the question is how should the privite ownership of guns be handled? Personally I think that it should be mandtory for all adults to carry a weapon on thier hip, in full view, at all times, in public. It would be a MUCH more polite society.

can i have mine in a back holster? it's big. they'll see it.

 

[The_old_man]

Honest statistics from Austrailia show a 54% increace in violent
crime since the "Surender" of "all?" firearms in the contry.



Criminals by definition do NOT obay gun laws.

 

[Lost Cause]

They're just not for self-defense....

The American Revolution would not have happened if the bloody brits would have seized the weapons like they tried. When citizens are trusted by the government to have weapons, then the citizens are the final authority to challenge tyranny. It doesn't matter if weapons are misused (everything is), the strength of an armed citizenry is absolute!

 

[greeneyes1]

Had a friend who was shot in the head, supposedly the gun just went off..... Yeah Right........

 

[QuickDuck]

Honest statistics from Austrailia show a 54% increace in violent
crime since the "Surender" of "all?" firearms in the contry.



Criminals by definition do NOT obay gun laws.

*chuckle* told ya someone would come along sprouting figures

Like i said... i am going by my observations...things that i see and read about.

I think i could ask 100 people in the street if they owned or possessed a gun, and i would be lucky to get 5 who said yes. (this is a guess and based on personal oppinion)

 

[Weird Harold]

I think i could ask 100 people in the street if they owned or possessed a gun, and i would be lucky to get 5 who said yes. (this is a guess and based on personal oppinion)

The only thing that would prove was that you associate with honest people -- except for the five dumb criminals that admitted to owning guns.

 

[scylis]

Re: They're just not for self-defense....

The American Revolution would not have happened if the bloody brits would have seized the weapons like they tried. When citizens are trusted by the government to have weapons, then the citizens are the final authority to challenge tyranny. It doesn't matter if weapons are misused (everything is), the strength of an armed citizenry is absolute!

proliteriat revolutions (and all others, for that matter) are notably ineffective when the ruling class is made up of gods.

 

[Woodmiester]

The post was about a gun going off not right or wrong was it not? If you don't want a weapon then don't have one, hell that's a no brainer.
As was stated weapons are here and all the do-gooders can say whatever but criminals will always have what they want including a weapon until such a time as someone with one more often than not see's them behind bars.

Okay my question is what type of weapon was involved in this incident, a automatic (semi) or a revolver? If a auto did it have a external or internal hammer, and if a revolver what type and brand.
Again as already stated, handing a weapon to another is not like giving them a hotdag and someone with the proper training knows to one, break it open and make sure it's unloaded, two, check it again, three, turn the weapon in such a way so the person receiving the weapon can see that it's empty and lastly, grasp the weapon in such a way so the barrel is facing you, not the one receiving it or in otherwards, handle first, this is basics.

Just a interesting bit of trivial for those having a Colt revolver, in case you didn't know this, new or well used, next time at a shooting range pull the hammer back all the way then apply some slight pressure to the trigger, do not pull a it but apply slight pressure and count. Make sure to keep it pointed down range if you try this because it's going to fire.

NOTE: Kids and/or idiots, don't try this

 

[SINthysist]

I've seen idiots cut themselves gawking over a new hunting knife...

Liberals. Think of it as conservative herd culling.

 

[sexy-girl]

I've seen idiots cut themselves gawking over a new hunting knife...

Liberals. Think of it as conservative herd culling.

but i like some conservatives i wouldnt want you getting hurt by a gun

as for saying what did i mean by not believing in guns i meant i agree with stronger gun control

lost cause they didnt have tanks or jets in the last civil war i dont thnk having a few side arms would make much difference now

 

[SINthysist]

I'm not the one they call quickdraw. I practice gun safety! I've seen what they can do. I've even started the little one on gun safety and have a .22 for her upcoming birthday so that she understands the use and power of firearms.

I'm with Axel on this one! We don't no civil war. The last one was damn bloody!

We just want a rapid advance on Washington...

 

[Samuari]

I know what you meant, SG.

There were several posts in a row that used the pharse, and seemed a good way to point out that there is no way to put the genie back into the bottle (uninvent firearms) and that there is no way to save fools from themselves. The best that you can do is learn all you can about weapons so that you can protect yourself, if you need to. A time that I profundly hope never, ever, comes.

 

[Samuari]

BTW AJ, all four of my girls got 22s for thier 10th birthday, and are fairly decent shots. Shuterbug is very good on a skeet range, and sleeps with her loaded shot gun by her bed. They have allso had some self defence training. Both just basic skills for living unafraid and free.

 

[Shy Tall Guy]

No comment.

No offense, but i get into to much trouble when i speak to Americans about gun control

Doesn't have to be about gun control legislation - this is about gun control safety as in how to safely keep a gun under control and whether firearms will "go-off" by themselves without human intervention.

It is interesting to note, that everytime a firearm "goes off" by itself supposedly, a human was handling it - suggesting a definite correlation and probable cause for the discharge beyond the firearm just discharging by itself.

I usually have firearms laying all around the house, some are loaded, most are not. I have yet to hear or see one discharge by itself. The one AD (Accidental Discharge - or rather negligent discharge) I have witnessed involved a person intentionally pulling the trigger on a pistol he thought was unloaded. Fortunately, the only harm done was a hole in the wall.

It is a true statement that ultimately guns do not kill people - people kill people.

 

[Shy Tall Guy]

One thing a sidearm or any firearm can go off without the trigger being pulled. It is called dropping the weapon. Outside of that the gentlemen was an idiot for passing over a loaded weapon.

This is very rare and the firearm in question is either old or it is malfunctioning (possibly due to modification). Most firearms are designed such that you can drop them from quite a distance and they still would not fire. Glocks have been tested by dropping them from a helicopter as they are a standard military firearm.

Just the same, it is typically bad form to drop a loaded firearm, and a human is still involved.