Governor Ahnold

[MathGirl]

Re: The Gubernator Elect:

I believe the election of Arnie S. as Guv of California is unprecedented in politics. How many other politicians have been elected to high office after millions of people heard them say, "Fuck you, Asshole?" Few, I think.

Maybe his saying, "I'll be Bach" got the classical music vote.

MG

 

[Guest]

Maybe his saying, "I'll be Bach" got the classical music vote.

Sí, pequeña muchacha,

And "Hasta la vista, Bahby" got the majority Latina/o vote.

Perdita

 

[A7inchPhildo]

I don't know math I heard a man once say, "but I didn't inhale" and he went far in politics.

In my book that is as good as saying, "Fuck you, Asshole?" to the whole country. A lot of ignorant Americans?

 

[Angeline]

I don't know math I heard a man once say, "but I didn't inhale" and he went far in politics.

In my book that is as good as saying, "Fuck you, Asshole?" to the whole country. A lot of ignorant Americans?

Yeah, it's right up there with "I am not a crook" and "Read my lips, no new taxes." Ok, maybe not quite that bad.

 

[Jenny _S]

Yeah, it's right up there with "I am not a crook" and "Read my lips, no new taxes." Ok, maybe not quite that bad.

Not nearly as bad. I doubt that the State House Staff will have to count the silverware before Arnold leaves office. And I doubt that Arnold would intentionally lie through his teeth like the Bush clan.

He may be totally unfit for Governor of California, but at least he's an honest incompetent.

 

[Colleen Thomas]

I don't know math I heard a man once say, "but I didn't inhale" and he went far in politics.

In my book that is as good as saying, "Fuck you, Asshole?" to the whole country. A lot of ignorant Americans?

I didn't inhale. Ya know I am far from a pot head, but admiting you are too incompetant to take a hit off a doobie? Yeesh.

I think Arnie should make a great Gov. He just needs good script writers so he knows how to act and I.L.M. can come in and do some killer special effects and no one should notice the stagnant econmy, intractable legislature, nation's worst bond rating, etc. When new elections come he can announce that he "was just filling in", depart amid fanfare, and after the new Gov's people can't match ILM in keeping the public decieved about how bad things are another recall can be organized and Arnie the hero can be brought back to save Cali. again.

Hmmm, perhaps I should have saved this for the hooro thread


-Colly

 

[A7inchPhildo]

He may be totally unfit for Governor of California, but at least he's an honest incompetent.

I would think, I myself would not like him as Governor. At least he has no need to steal funds from the state? Who knows he might be what California needs.

Ah! The bush clan well, down here in Florida we have Jebb and to be frank, it is a safe bet that the brother of the current president has some pull. Looking out for my own selfish needs? Yes!

So you got a "Keystone __ 'I meant', Kindergarden Cop", what's the big cry about?


Angeline, sexy avatar, I could get caught up looking at that pic.

 

[Guest]

Colly,
Remember when you talked me into believing I was not a cynic?

Jenny,
I'm glad for your attitude but I presumed Arnold dishonest by deciding to run, not to mention skirting the womanizing and MCP quotes.


Perdita

 

[Jenny _S]

Jenny,
I'm glad for your attitude but I presumed Arnold dishonest by deciding to run, not to mention skirting the womanizing and MCP quotes.


Perdita

Perdita,
Doesn't politics bring out the worst in every candidate? The fact is, as near as I have been able to discover his quote about Hitler, I happen to agree with. Hitler was what Germany needed at the time. In the beginning he was a great leader. Just because he went a "little nutz" later on...

As far as the womanizing thing... compare Arnold to Bob Packwood and see who's worse. Is there a candidate that hasn't made the same indiscretion at some time?

Arnold may not be a saint, but, remembering the Jimmy Carter era, Arnold is the candidate that California needs as a new model for politicians, a kind of "time out to breath" so to speak.

Non-Californian
Jenny

 

[dr_mabeuse]

Someone once said that democracy is the system where the people get the kind of government they deserve.

---dr.M.

 

[Quasimodem]

. . . Hitler was what Germany needed at the time. In the beginning he was a great leader. Just because he went a "little nutz" later on. . .

Hitler was more than a "little nutz" from the beginning, and got worse the more he was able to indulge his affliction.

At best, Hitler gave the illusion of being what Germany needed at the beginning, provided one wasn't especially clearheaded.

 

[Guest]

Jenn, I was commenting on 'honesty/dishonesty', not the subject of the deceit. I don't care about a politician's sex life or if he admired tyrants or was a card-carrying whatever. But I do believe AS is no longer an honest man is all. Mostly I will ignore him.

Perdita

 

[MathGirl]

I voted for Arnold. Yes, I did.

At least he's not one of those show biz hypocrites who have so much money they can afford to be liberal democrats.
MG

 

[Jenny _S]

I voted for Arnold. Yes, I did.

At least he's not one of those show biz hypocrites who have so much money they can afford to be liberal democrats.
MG

Good for you, MG...

Arnold will be an interlude in California that they think they need. The voters in California precieve that they have suffered a hard time with the economic down turn that occured under the previous administration. (They didn't actually suffer nearly as much as other areas, but that's another thread.)

At best Arnold will do nothing, the economy will improve and someone else will be governor in two years. At worst Arnold will instigate rediculous economic reforms that will accomplish nothing, the economy will turn around anyway and someone else will be governor in two years. The outcome is the same.

Dear perdita,
I said politics brings out the worst in every candidate.

Politically minded,
Jenny

 

[Colleen Thomas]

Hitler was more than a "little nutz" from the beginning, and got worse the more he was able to indulge his affliction.

At best, Hitler gave the illusion of being what Germany needed at the beginning, provided one wasn't especially clearheaded.

Quasi,

I think thats an over generalization. Hitler was not only sane, but extremely canny in political matters in the early part of his career. He held a twisted racial philosophy and was totally against democracy, but his brand of fascism was no more "nutz" than Mousilini or Franco at first.

They say power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. In Hitler's case it was only when he had the power to exercise all of his views that he began to become a bona-fide whacko. What he was, was an extremist in almost all things and so he was what Germany needed at the time. His programs dragged them out of the depression and people were willing to sacrifice the freedoms of democracy for a steady job and security. Even though that security was just an illusion it was better than the constant stife and fear of the Weimer republic.

Arnold was foolish to say he admired, liked or even approved of Hitler, even with the clarification that he did so only at the first part of his career. He may not have had delusions of granduer at the time, but it's simply an admission the prudent person dosen't make public. Hitler and his group of chronies brought about the most henious actions of a century. I think perhaps his making such an admission shows him to still be politically naive.

California voters were sick of politics as usual. Almost all groundswell populist uprisings come from the same feeling that the people in power have lost touch. Just as a man like O.P. "Sonny" Montgomery running unopposed for almost 15 years in my home state is a reaction to a politician who never lost "the common touch" the recall was a backlash against politicians who had lost it. Arnold may be many things, womanizer, Chavinist, closet-nazi, what-have-you, but the one thing he isn't is a politician. I think that was all it took to win in California this time. People wanted a person in power, not a politician.

-Colly

 

[Jenny _S]

Quasi,
Arnold may be many things, womanizer, Chavinist, closet-nazi, what-have-you, but the one thing he isn't is a politician. I think that was all it took to win in California this time. People wanted a person in power, not a politician.

-Colly

Colly,
If I were a California voter I would have voted for the porn star. At least she didn't really want to be governor and I kind of like her platform of Porn Tapes for Guns

 

[Svenskaflicka]

And I doubt that Arnold would intentionally lie through his teeth like the Bush clan.

I wouldn't be too sure about that... Remember, he did a film called True Lies?

 

[Quasimodem]

. . . I think thats an over generalization. Hitler was not only sane, but extremely canny in political matters in the early part of his career. He held a twisted racial philosophy and was totally against democracy, but his brand of fascism was no more "nutz" than Mousilini or Franco at first.-Colly

Read "Mein Kampf," written in 1925, before Hitler reached "the beginning of his career."

He was nuts.

But, not so nuts that he failed to claim that he was a "man of the people."

 

[Colleen Thomas]

Colly,
If I were a California voter I would have voted for the porn star. At least she didn't really want to be governor and I kind of like her platform of Porn Tapes for Guns

Mary Carey? Why not? Ciccilonica made it to being a MP in the italian parliment based on her on screen...performances

I think I would have done a write in vote for Bob the Mailman, or Jerry who works behind the counter down at the local deli. Someone I know has the same worries and problems I do and is concerned about them. The idea behind represenative democracy is that the people in power represent our views. When the voter feels the man in charge not only dosen't represent his view, but is totally unconcerned with it, this kind of backlash is to be expected.

While I don't neccissarily think a porn star shares all of my views, the sad truth is she probably shares as many if not more than Grey Davis, Bushtmante, Arinie or Simon do

-Colly

 

[Colleen Thomas]

Read "Mein Kampf," written in 1925, before Hitler reached "the beginning of his career."

He was nuts.

But, not so nuts that he failed to claim that he was a "man of the people."

I have read Mein Kampf. Hitler had precious little to do with it. The majority of the text was written for him by his political theorist.. Rosenberg I believe. As far as it's rabid anti-semitism, that would not have been considered crazy for the time period, it was in fact, pretty close to the norm. His views on politics were also very close to the norm, he was the first to expouse Mao's theory of power comes from the barrel of a gun, or in Hitler's case from the knuckles and lead pipes of his brown shirts.

Mein Kampf is significant really in being the first piece of modern day propoganda. It is carefully worded and thought out to be used as political spin material, from glaring omissions in his early life to a programme of precepts that were engineered to appeal to the broadest part of the German people.

When you look at the Anshuluss, the reoccupation of the Sarr and Rhur, the rape of Checkslovakia, you are not seeing madness, but an exceptionally astue judgement of the political situation and more of the personalities of the leaders who could have thwarted it.

Hitler was ruthless, doggedly determined, absolutely sure of his convictions and not afraid to use brute force when diplomacy wasn't getting results. I could say the same of Henry V, Teddy Roosevelt, Queen Elzibeth I, and any number of other world leaders. None of them are characterized as crazy. A modern psychiatrist might label him as an anti-social personality type, but that isn't neccissarily bad. APT's can lead very productive lives if they can channel their conciouslessness into a field where it is acceptable, bussiness, sales, etc.

That Hitler was mentally disturbed is apparent, but deciding when that started is not. Even with reams of supporting material no one has ever found a point in time or even a classification of his particular illness that even a plurality of experts in the field will accept. APT, Parnoid Schizophrenic, Manic depressive, Bi-polar, obessive-compulsive, I even saw a recent paper arguing for functional autistic.

-Colly

 

[Svenskaflicka]

Read "Mein Kampf," written in 1925, before Hitler reached "the beginning of his career."

He was nuts.

But, not so nuts that he failed to claim that he was a "man of the people."

Which is evidence enough for me. People are nuts. Anyone who openly states that he's a man of the people, should not have any political power.

 

[dr_mabeuse]

Colleen, I understand what you're doing. You're arguing that Hitler was not necessarily insane. That may or may not be, but you should be aware that to some people you also appear to be defending the man. Not only is this terribly offensive to some people, but, worse, it's encouraging to others.

Since I've been here at Literotica, we've managed to avoid all political and most religious discussions, and that has been, in my opinion at least, a very wise policy. I would therefore respectfully suggest that we let this discussion lapse before it gets unpleasant.

---dr.M.

 

[MathGirl]

Not only is this terribly offensive to some people, but, worse, it's encouraging to others.

Dear Dr M,
I'm one of those "people." I don't take offense, though, because I know Col didn't mean it that way.

I just started this thread for fun, but I knew it would end up in a furor. Maybe we should let it rest.
MG
Ps. I did my university senior thesis on Hitler. Strange, considering my major. I read almost everything there is to read, including Mein Kampf. I reached the conclusion that most Hitler experts hold: The man was intelligent, a master politician, and barking mad.

 

[Colleen Thomas]

Colleen, I understand what you're doing. You're arguing that Hitler was not necessarily insane. That may or may not be, but you should be aware that to some people you also appear to be defending the man. Not only is this terribly offensive to some people, but, worse, it's encouraging to others.

Since I've been here at Literotica, we've managed to avoid all political and most religious discussions, and that has been, in my opinion at least, a very wise policy. I would therefore respectfully suggest that we let this discussion lapse before it gets unpleasant.

---dr.M.

Of the many things I try to do, offending anyone is one of the few I conciously try to avoid. If any one took from my words the idea I was defending Hitler, then let me state right now it was not the case. I consider him a monster and all those who aided him to be monsters as well.

I will shut up now,

-Colly

 

[Dirty Slut]

Re: The Gubernator Elect:

I believe the election of Arnie S. as Guv of California is unprecedented in politics. How many other politicians have been elected to high office after millions of people heard them say, "Fuck you, Asshole?" Few, I think.

Maybe his saying, "I'll be Bach" got the classical music vote.

MG

Actually, as I remember it, we elected another actor to run the entire country. What parts they played in movies, or the movies that they played in are of no real consequence to their abilities to run in an office of government. I believe Regan's only experiance worth promoting at the time he was running for his first government office was that he had been the head of the actor's guild, or some such silly office for many years, and that he had run that office successfully. The truth is, few Americans vote for losers. Americans love winners, and so far Arnold has shown himself to be a winner. How he fares now that he's running California is yet to be decided.

DS