Gor

[intothewoods]

I think people spend too much time taking the wrong things seriously.

Why care what any one else thinks about Gor or poly or LDR or whatever your relationship choice is?

The thing to take seriously is the relationship you're in; not the opinions of a bunch of internet strangers.

But I guess we wouldn't have any threads here if everyone thought like that so nevermind... carry on.

Wait. You don't hold your breath waiting for my opinion?!?

 

[A Desert Rose]

Wait. You don't hold your breath waiting for my opinion?!?

Hold my breath?

I lose sleep over it.



;-)

 

[minx1]

Wait. You don't hold your breath waiting for my opinion?!?

no silly. she's only intersted in mine. Because I am always right *nods*

 

[A Desert Rose]

no silly. she's only intersted in mine. Because I am always right *nods*

That's for damned sure because I never seem to be.

;-)

 

[minx1]

That's for damned sure because I never seem to be.

;-)

*giggles*

ah but its not easy being like this yanno....thankfully it comes naturally.

I am naturally always right.

sheesh its hard being this perfect.

 

[A Desert Rose]

If you post an opinion like "it's not for me", "I don't enjoy it", "I get nothing out of it" (whatever IT is) people automatically assume that you are anti-IT.

For most people, it's no longer about a person's opinion. It becomes about another's assumption.

 

[jockdom]

I like the books. *shrug*

And my first introductions into BDSM were from a group of friends who call themselves Gorean.

Even with them, I have found there are two different types of Gor, what is practiced online, and what is practiced in life. Other than the fact that she has had to memorize the slave poses and can be called into one at her master's whim, I haven't seen much difference between their 24/7 situation and what others talk about. There are little ritualized things, like she serves her master dinner first, then a male guest (if they are bdsm friendly) then she takes her plate (a right as first girl) and finally I can take mine. It's slightly different than modern edict, but charming in its own way I think. In ordinary situations she's not all "yes master" and "this slave" but one look from him and that's all you hear from her *giggles*.

They are both involved in online role play as well as live action role play (she keeps insisting that I come along to one of the live meetings but refuses to let me be a white silk). To see her personality and mannerisms change while she's "in character" is just amazing. You would think she just stepped out of the books.

When they were teaching me, and playing with me in those early days I had to learn the slave positions. I had to remember every male that stuck me was "master" and to thank them and if they offered it to me I had to kiss the whip that they struck me with. Some times I would slip into my own character and start speaking in third person, but it was never required of me, just felt natural.

I think people on this forum are often too hard on this idea. Yes a lot of people practice it online only and well in all honesty most of them seem like a bunch of HNGs and little more, criticizing others if they don't believe that men rule over all others and every female should be naked with a collar around her neck serving Tarisian ale and servicing the men. But some do practice it offline and it's not like the non since you see on which is totally impractical for real life.

How many time have we discussed the difference between BDSM online and BDSM offline? It's the same thing isn't it? Some people choose to live their lives online, who are we to say that they are wrong, or that that is not "real BDSM"? It's real enough to them. Let them have their fun and leave them be.

Sorry doll no offence meant! I owned a couple of them when i was 15 or 16 (sucker for kinky artwork on covers) and found them to be quite arousing(i was 15 give us a break!)but reading one recently i found them quite boring more titilation than anything else. As for making people happy yeah im all for it who am i to impose onto others how they should conduct their sex lives! Suppose the bible is a badly writen book too and see how many nut jobs that attracts!

 

[TerragonSix]

Does any body remember the badly writen fantasy books with a bit of bdsm thrown in?I heard there are people out there that take these pulp fiction books as their bible! Suppose whatever turns you on

When I was a kid visiting relatives in Texas, my step-grandfather (I know), had a large libary in his house. I was browsing through the science fiction books, and found a Gor book.

I read it and thought WTF?!

Thinking about what those books entailed, is a little bit over the top, actual serving/slavery. Fun for some, I personally don't fancy having a bonafide slave. As I said before, I'm only part time.

 

[jockdom]

When I was a kid visiting relatives in Texas, my step-grandfather (I know), had a large libary in his house. I was browsing through the science fiction books, and found a Gor book.

I read it and thought WTF?!

Thinking about what those books entailed, is a little bit over the top, actual serving/slavery. Fun for some, I personally don't fancy having a bonafide slave. As I said before, I'm only part time.

Yeah same here came across one in the local Book store and bought it with my paper round money (trying hard to hide my blushing face under my baseball cap).Fuck Knows what I want but it's certainly not a robot thats for sure!

 

[cati]

Many moons ago I was very interested in Gorean life. Granted, it was mostly fantasy and roleplay but it was alot of fun. For those males who were very into it, it gave them a chance to live out their fantasy of having a bevy of beautiful, sexual, females at their beck and call. For submissive and slaves, indulging in Gorean roleplay might teach them discipline and structure. Alas, for me Learning the Gorean ways was very time consuming and called for alot of hard work. For me it was about being the best online slave "I could be" until I went RT with my Master.
Call me weird but I loved it back then, but I couldn't do it again.

I often visited the Gorean rooms in the Excite chat, Palace chat and in Bondage.com rooms. That was about ten years ago. I'm not sure what is happening in the Gorean rooms now. The books themselves contain overtones of BDSM and D/s throughout, some say that was the intention of author Norman. They offer the reader a generous dose of BDSM philosophy and such, you just need to read between the lines, if you get my drift. At any rate, the Gorean lifestyle is a pretty difficult thing to practice in real life, unless of course you live in some commune cutoff from the real world. I have met a few couples who call themselves true Goreans (whatever that is) and I can't help but admire them.
For those people who are involved in an online M/s or D/s relationship, Gor offers
some hardcore instruction on slave positions, behaviour and as someone said serving ones Master.
The main problem that I had with it is that it could be excrutiatingly boring at times.

But please people, don't knock it until you've tried it...and again it isn't for the faint of heart.

Thanks for letting me share.

 

[the captians wench]

Sorry doll no offence meant! I owned a couple of them when i was 15 or 16 (sucker for kinky artwork on covers) and found them to be quite arousing(i was 15 give us a break!)but reading one recently i found them quite boring more titilation than anything else. As for making people happy yeah im all for it who am i to impose onto others how they should conduct their sex lives! Suppose the bible is a badly writen book too and see how many nut jobs that attracts!

Jump out of the frying pan and into the fire why don't you!

You're sweet and wear a kilt so I'll forgive you and let it drop. I don't talk religon here anyway, I believe it's best that way, it's a very personal subject and one I am very passionate about and that passion can some time get out of control.

I don't really find the books arousing perse, there is a stange romantisism I get from some of them and I do enjoy them tho, a sort of mindless read where I can excape into a fantasy world of my own.

 

[pink]

i have a few of the Gor series upstairs, that i haven't finished. Thanks for reminding, i need to get them out again.

i used to be into it, someone else started me on the path. i'm not so much anymore but still find the series very interesting.

 

[WriterDom]

If you want really structured bdsm with a lot of rules then I guess Gor is for you. And you want to interact with others following the same rules. I'm not big on rules and haven't read much on Gor. But the Gor slave positions are things of beauty and I incorporate some of them into my play at times.

Seems like it is very ritualistic and very geared towards service. Someone sent me the slave manual once but I never bothered to read it.

Could be wrong but seems like KC has been trained in those arts.

 

[the captians wench]

If you want really structured bdsm with a lot of rules then I guess Gor is for you. And you want to interact with others following the same rules. I'm not big on rules and haven't read much on Gor. But the Gor slave positions are things of beauty and I incorporate some of them into my play at times.

Seems like it is very ritualistic and very geared towards service. Someone sent me the slave manual once but I never bothered to read it.

Could be wrong but seems like KC has been trained in those arts.

KC has said herself to be a kajira, or gorean slave.

She's also said that she will not discuss gor here.

 

[intothewoods]

If you post an opinion like "it's not for me", "I don't enjoy it", "I get nothing out of it" (whatever IT is) people automatically assume that you are anti-IT.

For most people, it's no longer about a person's opinion. It becomes about another's assumption.

I think all of us are all good with the "it's not for me" comments. But full disclosure - there have been several threads where I've said, um, that's a BAD idea. You should not do that. Do not pass Go. Do not collect $200. Or something like that. And shocker, people don't want to do what I tell them! I guess I'm a sucky Domme. But I don't know, in less heated moments, I think the discussion is good. It forces everyone to take a hard look at their opinions and beliefs and think about what those are really based on. Take it all apart, kind of.

Don't mind me. I'm late with the coffee today. Feeling very philosophical.

*giggles*

ah but its not easy being like this yanno....thankfully it comes naturally.

I am naturally always right.

sheesh its hard being this perfect.

Oh, I so feel you on this. It is hard being this perfect.

 

[A Desert Rose]

That's for damned sure because I never seem to be... [Right about anything.]

;-)

I think all of us are all good with the "it's not for me" comments. But full disclosure - there have been several threads where I've said, um, that's a BAD idea. You should not do that. Do not pass Go. Do not collect $200. Or something like that. And shocker, people don't want to do what I tell them! I guess I'm a sucky Domme. But I don't know, in less heated moments, I think the discussion is good. It forces everyone to take a hard look at their opinions and beliefs and think about what those are really based on. Take it all apart, kind of.

Don't mind me. I'm late with the coffee today. Feeling very philosophical.

Oh you're absolutely right. Refer to my above post for agreement on that. LOL

Not only am I not right, I know absolutely nothing. Why I don't post much. ;-D

 

[Etoile]

I would like to read the Gor books but only if I could get them super cheap.

 

[A Desert Rose]

I would like to read the Gor books but only if I could get them super cheap.

Right now I just wish I had time to read anything. That and I wish I could see to read.

I could see again if I'd break down and go to the eye doctor.

 

[Homburg]

I've not read the books, but I will say that some of the Gorean postures can be really elegant and beautifully submissive.

I also have a friend that is Gorean, and, well, she's awesome. Her attitude towards submission is truly beautiful. So while I can't say much for the few Gorean masters that I've seen writing from, I know at least one Gorean slave girl that I really dig.

"Kiss"

 

[desertslave]

I read 3 or 4 of the Gor books back in high school. My boyfriend was a fan and picked some of his favorites. One of them had very little of the slave culture at all, one was mainly about the slaves and the others were just integrated stuff. The plots had potential, but something about his writing just put me off. I was being introduced to Roger Zelazny, H. Beam Piper, and Doc Smith at the same time, and Norman simply paled in comparison.

Some of the "form and presence" notions aren't all that different to the way I was trained by my first Sir. Not so much the posturing but some of the mindset was definitely similar. I was fairly quick to catch on and he cheerfully admitted that some of the concepts had their charm. LOL

I tend to scoff at anyone who would base their life beliefs on a paperback book. Then again, I hear the bible is printed in paperback, too, and that seems to have caught on, so what do I know?

 

[the captians wench]

I would like to read the Gor books but only if I could get them super cheap.

I've found mine on ebay. You have to really watch for a deal, and most of the time you have to get them in groups to get the best deal, but I can usually find them between $2-$5 a book including shipping.

Dancer of Gor will always be expencive, it's the most popular in the seriese and I have yet to see it in the flesh so to speak. Just can't bring myself to spend $25-50 on one book.

I read 3 or 4 of the Gor books back in high school. My boyfriend was a fan and picked some of his favorites. One of them had very little of the slave culture at all, one was mainly about the slaves and the others were just integrated stuff. The plots had potential, but something about his writing just put me off. I was being introduced to Roger Zelazny, H. Beam Piper, and Doc Smith at the same time, and Norman simply paled in comparison.

Some of the "form and presence" notions aren't all that different to the way I was trained by my first Sir. Not so much the posturing but some of the mindset was definitely similar. I was fairly quick to catch on and he cheerfully admitted that some of the concepts had their charm. LOL

I tend to scoff at anyone who would base their life beliefs on a paperback book. Then again, I hear the bible is printed in paperback, too, and that seems to have caught on, so what do I know?

What's with all the bible bashing today? Aren't there any other religons based on written text?

 

[WriterDom]

What's with all the bible bashing today? Aren't there any other religons based on written text?

Yes, but you can't joke about them without starting worldwide riots.

 

[MasterSnatch]

Yes the concept of PC has been taken to extremes.

As for Gor itself well I find it funny to mock it when we're here doing and saying the things we do, isn't that acting in the same way people often look down at people like us. Yes there are differences but there is in all things.

 

[Netzach]

If it floats your boat, huzzah, that's fabulous.

However the expectation that I get along with, embrace, and hang out with people who think I am inferior by dint of my gender and then choose to be an asshole to me, is ludicrous. That's my experience thus far with "goreans" and till I experience otherwise, I don't care to cuddle.

NB: I've met male supremacy people who understand and respect that I am not playing and we're very cordial and cool with one another. They were never Goreans though, funny.

 

[the captians wench]

Yes, but you can't joke about them without starting worldwide riots.

And that makes it okay? Because I won't gather flocks of people and create a big noise about "my rights as a wtf ever"?