GOP’s paranoia and cruelty: The real lessons of the Obama presidency

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Monday, Nov 3, 2014 08:30 AM EST

GOP’s paranoia and cruelty: The real lessons of the Obama presidency

After tomorrow's midterm results, the media will settle on some tired explanations. Here's why they're all wrong

Kim Messick


As I write this, the midterm elections are imminent. A number of races are quite close, but it seems safe to say that Republicans will probably win control of the Senate, if only by a slim margin. Should this happen, two things are virtual certainties: first, a blast of right-wing triumphalism, whose upshot will be that the electorate has endorsed Republican obstruction and its virulent rejection of all-things-Obama; second, an equally shrill threnody of Democratic recrimination, whose principal refrain will be (more or less) “Obama did it!”

So here at last we will have the bipartisan moment so many of our bien pensant thinkers and officials have longed for. Ain’t consensus grand?

These reactions, celebratory on the one hand, accusatory on the other, will probably exhibit another parallelism as well. Some Republicans will urge caution with their newly won majority, arguing that success with the 2014 electorate will not automatically transfer to the electorate of 2016. Others, flush with victory, will shrug off this concern; the 2014 results, they will say, bespeak the Mind of America. All that’s necessary to ensure success in 2016 is Fidelity (to conservative principles) and Resolve (in conservative loins).

The Democratic version of this conflict will similarly array the anxious against the assured. The former will wonder if another disastrous midterm doesn’t indicate a need for some recalibration of liberal politics; the latter will demur that the demographics of presidential electorates irresistibly favor the progressive cause.

Far be it from me to offer advice to Republicans. I would, however, like to comment on these two dilemmas as they bear on liberal politics. In each case, I will argue, real dangers lurk if Democrats learn the wrong lessons from the Obama years.

* * *

“It’s all Obama’s fault!” is an almost inevitable trope, given the president’s dolorous approval numbers and the spectacle of Democratic candidates everywhere scrambling to elude his embrace. The point here will be to insist that his failings are purely personal — that they reflect Obama’s “aloofness,” his lack of interest in the tending of congressional egos, his inability “to lead.”

And so they do, to a certain extent. But to pretend that the president’s unpopularity is due entirely to personal factors is to commit one of the favorite mistakes of American political commentary: namely, to remove the politics from politics.

To see this, it will be helpful to recall the circumstances in which Obama first entered the White House. The economy, powered during the Bush years by cheap money and an explosion in corporate and household debt, had imploded in the third quarter of 2008 when the housing bubble collapsed. Bush’s legacy in foreign policy was, if anything, even more ruinous: two failed (and hideously expensive) wars, a grievously battered reputation abroad, a network of seriously strained alliances. Toss in a broken healthcare system, the need for an energy program shaped around the realities of climate change, and a failed immigration regime, and you had quite a full plate for the new president — a real shit sandwich, as they say in France.

An army’s generals, it’s often said, are always refighting the last war. Similarly, politicians often find themselves engaging the opposition as it existed years earlier. Confronted with multiple crises, Obama responded as presidents before him always had in trying times — with calls for national unity. To demonstrate his sincerity, he tendered proposals that incorporated Republican ideas in pursuit of fairly moderate aims: in healthcare, not a single-payer system but a reliance on private insurance markets wedded to an individual mandate, a notion borrowed from the conservative Heritage Foundation; in energy policy, an attempt to curb carbon emissions through the use of cap-and-trade, another market-oriented device originally favored by Republicans. To arrest the collapse of the economy, Obama turned to the same remedy employed by presidents since FDR — a counter-cyclical stimulus, though in his case one much more modest than many liberal economists preferred and deliberately leavened with tax cuts to make it more palatable to Republicans.

We know now how it all turned out. Obama might have reasonably expected the same level of cooperation from the loyal opposition as other presidents had received in times of national emergency, especially as this particular emergency originated in Republican policies and occurred on their watch. That Republicans would feel some responsibility to assist in the solution of problems they largely created would have been a perfectly natural thought for Obama to have.

Natural, but mistaken. Exactly three Republicans, all of them in the Senate, voted for the 2009 stimulus package. Not a single Republican in either chamber voted for the Affordable Care Act. And Senate Democrats were forced to table the Kerry-Lieberman energy bill, whose centerpiece was cap-and-trade, when it became clear that no Republican would protect it against an inevitable GOP filibuster. This pattern of fierce and bitter obstruction has persisted throughout Obama’s presidency; it is the defining feature of his administration’s relationship with Congress.

And it is an extraordinary development in our politics. It’s important not to miss this point because of cynicism or, alternatively, naiveté. Politics is about conflict, and Obama’s mistier rhetoric to the contrary — all that stuff decrying our division into red states and blue states in favor of the United States of America — was always absurd. He had no right to expect unanimous support. What he did have a right to expect, given the experience of previous presidents, was hard bargaining — a series of negotiations that would ultimately lead, through compromise, to a consensus program. Politics is about cooperation, too.

Or used to be. We had a politics like that for most of our history, but not any longer. It changed for one fairly simple reason: because the Republican Party changed.

Thanks to the reporting of Robert Draper and others, we’ve known for some time that Republican leaders were not forced into obstruction by any principled objections to Obama’s policies. To the contrary, they adopted obstruction as a conscious strategy before they had seen a single legislative proposal from his administration. On the night of Obama’s 2008 inaugural, a coterie of Republican worthies, including Eric Cantor, Paul Ryan and Newt Gingrich, met at a Washington restaurant to discuss the GOP’s posture toward the newly ascendant Democrats. How should they deal with Obama and his majorities in Congress? The project of absolute obstruction emerged from that gathering. Kevin McCarthy, another attendee, then a deputy whip in the House and now majority leader in that body, put it this way: “We’ve gotta challenge them on every single bill and challenge them on every single campaign.” And so they did.

Like all presidents, Obama has made many mistakes. Personally I thought it was a blunder to move on healthcare reform in 2009 when the economy was in truly desperate straits and so obviously needed to be the focus of his time and effort. (And to be seen to be that focus.) Republicans owned the economic crisis, and making it the face of his agenda would have forced them to defend an inherently weak position if they wanted to oppose him. By taking up healthcare so early, he allowed Republicans to shift the argument to a much more complex, ambiguous and contested issue. One might also point to the disastrous rollout of the ACA website last October, an utterly gratuitous self-inflicted wound from which the administration has never really recovered.

Lamentable as these missteps were, however, it is now clear that Obama’s most crippling mistake was his failure to understand the changed nature of his opposition. His approach to congressional Republicans — borrowing their ideas, trimming his legislative sails — might have made perfect sense as recently as the Clinton years. (Before the Lewinsky farce poisoned everything, that is.) But there was never any chance it would succeed with the Republican Party Obama inherited in 2008— much less the one he confronted after the Tea Party midterms of 2010.

There are many milestones in the evolution of today’s GOP. The McCarthy moment in the early 1950s signaled that a latent right-wing populism might be activated by the adroit exploitation of religious, social and political anxieties. A decade later, the Goldwater campaign discovered new valences in the racial resentments of the civil rights era South. Nixon showed his party how to fashion these insights into a coherent strategy; his later disgrace, and the feckless rump presidency of his successor, Gerald Ford, demoralized what was left of the Eisenhower wing of the GOP and cleared a path for the resurgent Goldwaterites, now under the leadership of Ronald Reagan. Newt Gingrich, elected in 1978 to represent a district in Georgia, adapted Nixon’s divide-and-conquer tactics to the internal politics of the House — almost single-handedly, he drove Jim Wright, a Texas Democrat, from his speakership on charges that Wright had profited unethically from a book deal — and then to the fight for electoral control of the House itself. Republicans would remain a minority party, he warned, as long as institutional comity mattered more to them than victory. If they wanted to win — really wanted to win — they had to be prepared to use every weapon at their disposal, even if this meant vilifying their Democratic colleagues as threats to civilization. The us-or-them rhetoric of the GOP’s increasingly Southern electorate, and the cultural rage beneath it, were mobilized to do exactly that. When Gingrich’s “Contract With America” campaign delivered the House and Senate to Republicans in the 1994 midterms, it was widely accepted (among conservatives, anyway) as a vindication of his slash-and-burn politics.

The subsequent history of the GOP is essentially a series of footnotes to these developments. The party as it exists today combines the paranoia mined by McCarthy and Goldwater with Gingrich’s conception of politics as a theatre of apocalyptic cruelty. (Reagan’s crude redaction of an already crude Goldwaterism abides, but his sunny uplift, his sense of America as the future and of the future as untrammeled promise, has been rejected.) The Clinton impeachment, Islamophobia, Sarah Palin, birtherism, death panels, economic-stimulus-as-socialism, “legitimate rape,” Second Amendment solutions, Benghazi!, ISIS fighters on the U.S. – Mexico border, Ebola! Ebola! Ebola!— this is the bitter harvest of the GOP’s 60-year declension into a party of white, rural Southern ressentiment.

In any other period of our history, there would have been definite limits on a party’s ability to be taken seriously as a national force when it had so obviously curdled into a mainly regional entity. But that was then. Think of a political party as a mechanism for converting votes into money and that money into more votes and — etc., etc. Most of the time, this logic forces truly ambitious parties into a broad ideological footprint, the better to maximize their electoral appeal. Now imagine a world in which political actors can acquire economic resources regardless of the breadth (or lack thereof) of their ideological visions. In this world, any systemic restraints on extremism have been effectively removed. The link between electoral appeal and economic success has been severed.

Thanks to institutional and technological changes in the right-wing universe, this is precisely the world we live in today. The proliferation of conservative “think tanks,” PACs and media outlets has created an alternative revenue stream for Republican politicians, one openly contemptuous of compromise or moderation and potentially much more lucrative than the traditional party model.

These developments have given rise to a class of conservative figures one can only describe as political entrepreneurs. Some of them, such as Sarah Palin or Jim DeMint, use the party model as a stepping-stone to media celebrity and the commentariat; others, such as Ted Cruz, move between both worlds. But the effect on the Republican Party has been singular and undeniable. For the first time in our history, one of our major political parties is dominated by people who no longer identify success with winning elections. Ideological purity is much more important, because it guarantees passage between the conservative realms. Defined by its twin poles of rigidity and rejection, this was the Republican Party Barack Obama confronted on Jan. 20, 2009.

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A highly experienced politician of great strategic insight and superb tactical skills would have found it difficult to manage an opposition of this kind. Obama, sadly, is none of these things. By the time he figured out who he was dealing with, the damage had already been done. Perhaps the most fundamental of his mistakes, one that underlay a dozen other missteps, was his failure to appreciate one of the oldest pieces of political wisdom: Power abhors a vacuum.

The Republican strategy of obstruction was, in part, a delaying tactic. In 2009, they knew how damaged the economy was — having overseen most of that damage themselves — and they knew it would get worse before it got better. They drew exactly the right conclusion from these facts: that as Obama took the oath of office for the first time, he was as popular as he would ever be. The level of public goodwill toward him and his policies, as captured crudely by his approval numbers, would inevitably decline as the economic wreckage deepened. This decline could be accelerated if Republicans did everything possible to thwart Obama’s economic program, thereby making it more difficult for him to reverse the contraction and stimulate growth. In the meantime the GOP would consolidate its forces, tend to its aggrieved base, and wait to offer itself as a newly plausible alternative to the public at large.

Delay had another aspect as well. Even where it did not produce an actual deterioration in circumstances, it could still have the effect of bringing government to a stand-still— and this would serve Republican purposes almost as well. The endless filibusters in the Senate, for example, were designed with exactly this purpose in mind. Republicans knew that many voters would be unhappy with this tactic, but that ultimately they would blame Democrats more than Republicans— and not just because of the obvious fact that Democrats are “the party of government.” They would blame Democrats because, in their eyes, they had given them control of the government when they gave them the White House. They invested this power in Democrats because they wanted them to make the government work on their behalf— to get things done. When debate grinds on interminably without resolution, when government appears unable to respond promptly and effectively to obvious difficulties, when problems fester without relief— the party in control of the White House always suffers more than its opponents.

One can certainly object that the public should be more discriminating in its allocation of blame, more sophisticated in its understanding of how Republicans have manipulated our constitutional machinery. One can suggest that Obama’s instinct for thoroughness in deliberation is exactly what we should want in a chief executive. There is force in all these replies, but they do not change the basic calculus here—when the public gives a party political power, they expect it to be used. Used judiciously, wisely, responsibly— but used. In the context of Obama’s first two years in office, we might phrase this as a simple rule of thumb: If the voters give you legislative majorities— as they gave Democrats in 2008 and may again in 2016— do not hesitate to employ them. You will pay a price if you do.

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The mention of majorities brings us to the question of demography. It is only natural that liberals should be tempted these days to take solace in the thought that time is on their side. Since 1992, Democrats have won the popular vote in five out of six presidential elections, and the older, rural white voters who most reliably support Republicans are in a long-term demographic decline. Liberalism, on this view, is simply on the right side of History. Resistance is futile.

Except when it isn’t. Here again we see the tendency to believe that politics is about something besides politics. Earlier it was the personal deficits of President Obama; now it’s the inexorable logic of demographic change. What this leaves out is all the ways in which Republicans can try to frustrate, evade, and minimize the effects of this change. We know they will try to do this, because they already have— and quite successfully, in many cases. If you believe that the electorate is evolving in ways that are inconvenient for you, you have a number of options at your disposal. You might, most obviously, choose to evolve along with it. But if that is tactically awkward in the short- to medium-term, as it is for our Republicans, the next best thing is to triage the electorate— to expel those elements whose presence would be most dire for you. All the newly passed laws in Republican-controlled states allegedly aimed at the non-existent menace of “voter fraud” are, of course, attempts to do exactly that. The other thing you might do is try to maximize the impact of any advantages you still have. The well-funded legal challenges to campaign finance reform, and the success they’ve met with in a conservative-dominated Supreme Court, must be seen in this light.

Not to be scanted here, however, is the fact that our system itself makes it easy for electoral minorities to thwart the will of the majority. It’s one thing to say that some rights are so fundamental they should be placed beyond the reach of legislatures and executives. This is the message of the Bill of Rights, and it is entirely proper. It’s quite another to say that an entire chamber of Congress should grant the millions of people in California no more legislative power than the half-million citizens of Wyoming— yet this is the foundational logic of the United States Senate. To invest an already anti-democratic body like this with a ferociously minoritarian tool such as the filibuster is a double folly.

That all these devices, whether strategic or structural, have been exploited so relentlessly by today’s Republicans exposes at least two fundamental truths about our politics. The first is that their vision is itself a minoritarian one, rooted in the essentially Southern belief that power rightly belongs to those who satisfy certain criteria of worth or status. The principle of legitimacy is not democratic but racial, or religious, or ideological, or economic— or some combination of these things. The second is that progressives must make the elimination— or at least amelioration— of these anti-democratic devices a principal part of their agenda. Their own future prospects depend on it. The Senate is probably here to stay, but the filibuster can and should be abolished— not merely whittled down, as in Harry Reid’s reforms of last year, but ripped up root and branch. Democrats should also propose legislation— call it the “Voting Rights Act For A New Century” if you like— that rationalizes federal election law. It should standardize and necessitate periods of early voting, make election day a national holiday, and declare illegal any forms of voter ID with substantially disparate racial or ethnic impacts. It should also enforce uniform standards for the administration of polling places and precincts, including the provision of voting machines.

This agenda would be controversial and difficult to achieve. It would require strategic ability and tactical skill, strong advocacy and public argument. But what is the alternative? Demographic change will not magically usher in a progressive golden age; liberal political action is necessary if demography is to serve progressive ends. The passage of Barack Obama from elected office will mean the loss of a highly intelligent, well-intentioned, frustratingly occluded politician, but not the slightest modulation in the GOP’s insistence on the delusions and privileges of its electorate.

Democrats, of course, have their own delusions. The idea that our problems are rooted in Obama’s personality, that population change is a deus ex machina — what these mistakes have in common is the belief that political agency can be removed from politics. It cannot. Nothing has shaped our political moment more deeply than the agency of conservative activists; the dark dreams of Joe McCarthy, Barry Goldwater, and Newt Gingrich are our inheritance. But influential too have been the strategic blunders Democrats made in response to these troubled visions. Unless they learn the lessons of this history, there is no good reason to think 2016 will dispel the darkness and let in the light.
 
This is just an Op Ed by someone who doesn't like Republicans.
It also blames every problem on the GOP.
It also thinks bailouts were good.
It also drivels on in a biased tone, taking facts and twisting them.

Post something pro dem that's not full of hate, or based on 'how dare they defend their constituents against our never ending attacks on their ideals."

How about something from a Dem that shows blantant support for the Constitution's Clauses or Articles?
 
This is just an Op Ed by someone who doesn't like Republicans.
It also blames every problem on the GOP.
It also thinks bailouts were good.
It also drivels on in a biased tone, taking facts and twisting them.

Post something pro dem that's not full of hate, or based on 'how dare they defend their constituents against our never ending attacks on their ideals."

How about something from a Dem that shows blantant support for the Constitution's Clauses or Articles?

The Constitution, last I checked, was not going to build highways and bridges. It was not going to pass budgets. It was not going to reinvest in our schools, or our hospitals. It was not going to protect our most vulnerable citizens - our young, our elderly, our sick. The US Constitution is a wonderful document, make no mistake, but it is not some divinely-inspired document. It is not going to RUN GOVERNMENT. So unfortunately, we can't just magic away this country's problems by stuffing our dicks into the mouldering skulls of the Founders.

As far as the reporter's disdain for the GOP, well, last I checked, editorial slant in journalism was not a crime. Granted, not everyone can do it with the same cynical aplomb as Fox News, but one of the functions of journalism is to speak truth to power, especially when power steps afoul of its responsibilities. And while you were busy rubbing your genitals off to a fantasy of our past that never existed, the GOP was VERY busy stepping afoul of its responsibilities.

I am thirty-one years old - a post-9/11 veteran, college-educated, a productive member of society by all measures. And let me tell you, in my thirty-one years, there has NEVER been a SINGLE issue on which modern American conservatism has not been DEAD FUCKING WRONG. Pick an issue - war, healthcare, the economy, the environment, civil rights. The GOP I grew up with earned its votes under Reagan by stoking popular stereotypes about black people and the poor. Under Clinton, they shut down government, invaded people's bedrooms, and catered to the conspiracist fantasies of the right-wing fringe - abortion-clinic snipers, militia groups, and the rest of their disgusting ilk. When 9/11 happened, they seized the moment to send us of to war in countries that had nothing to do with the attacks on our soil, killing and injuring countless numbers of my FRIENDS and siblings-in-arms. They turned us into a country that TORTURES people, and convinced us to embrace it. And when I came back from their little war, trying to educate people about the excesses being carried out in their names, you know what I got from conservatives? Death threats. Threats against my wife, my family, my career. Some patriots. Some lovers of freedom.

We are talking about people who would rather see a gun in my wife's purse than a packet of birth control. We are talking about people who don't want women to get abortions, but will allow their rapists to sue for custody in 31 states. We are talking about people who want the poor to work, but will not pay people a living wage. You want to know why people increasingly hate conservatives? Because they are fucking vile. Because their beliefs are vile. Because they have been wrong on EVERY FUCKING ISSUE IN THE LAST THIRTY YEARS. FACTUALLY, PROVABLY, WRONG.

I would be dead before I voted Republican in a national election. Fuck conservatives. Fuck them IN THE ASS, IN HELL, FOREVER. So quit your fucking whining.
 
It also thinks bailouts were good.

They were at any rate necessary under the circumstances, which circumstances are all on the Pubs. A great pity, and an even greater pity that a lot more Wall Street figures are not now in prison, but, the financial crisis of 2008 did not happen because liberal do-gooder government forced banks to make home loans to illiterate incompetent N-words.
 
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The Constitution, last I checked, was not going to build highways and bridges. It was not going to pass budgets. It was not going to reinvest in our schools, or our hospitals. It was not going to protect our most vulnerable citizens - our young, our elderly, our sick. The US Constitution is a wonderful document, make no mistake, but it is not some divinely-inspired document. It is not going to RUN GOVERNMENT. So unfortunately, we can't just magic away this country's problems by stuffing our dicks into the mouldering skulls of the Founders.

This. Forever.
 
They were at any rate necessary under the circumstances, which circumstances are all on the Pubs.

No one bailed out Stude or American Motors or Daewoo America and that worked out fine for everyone.

Going broke gave us the FWD K car and the Studebaker Avanti, Eagles assets were absorbed by Chrysler; the same for Saturn and Plymouth and Pontiac: Absorbed.

When Geo went broke it remodled it's company into Saturn and sold cars through the roof until 2001 when GM changed the design.

Banks:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/07/federal-reserves-lacker-reforms_n_846033.html
(uk) http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-12214849

Cars:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/10/b...onsider-lehmans-fate.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
http://www.dailywealth.com/2125/gm-americas-biggest-bankruptcy
http://theweek.com/article/index/25...ially-over-heres-what-america-lost-and-gained

LOL @ necessary...
 
No one bailed out Stude or American Motors or Daewoo America and that worked out fine for everyone.

Perhaps not, but the health of all other sectors in the economy depends on the banks, the financial sector. Perhaps it shouldn't be that way, but under capitalism it inevitably is that way and always will be.
 
The Constitution, last I checked, was not going to build highways and bridges. It was not going to pass budgets. It was not going to reinvest in our schools, or our hospitals. It was not going to protect our most vulnerable citizens - our young, our elderly, our sick. The US Constitution is a wonderful document, make no mistake, but it is not some divinely-inspired document. It is not going to RUN GOVERNMENT. So unfortunately, we can't just magic away this country's problems by stuffing our dicks into the mouldering skulls of the Founders.

As far as the reporter's disdain for the GOP, well, last I checked, editorial slant in journalism was not a crime. Granted, not everyone can do it with the same cynical aplomb as Fox News, but one of the functions of journalism is to speak truth to power, especially when power steps afoul of its responsibilities. And while you were busy rubbing your genitals off to a fantasy of our past that never existed, the GOP was VERY busy stepping afoul of its responsibilities.

I am thirty-one years old - a post-9/11 veteran, college-educated, a productive member of society by all measures. And let me tell you, in my thirty-one years, there has NEVER been a SINGLE issue on which modern American conservatism has not been DEAD FUCKING WRONG. Pick an issue - war, healthcare, the economy, the environment, civil rights. The GOP I grew up with earned its votes under Reagan by stoking popular stereotypes about black people and the poor. Under Clinton, they shut down government, invaded people's bedrooms, and catered to the conspiracist fantasies of the right-wing fringe - abortion-clinic snipers, militia groups, and the rest of their disgusting ilk. When 9/11 happened, they seized the moment to send us of to war in countries that had nothing to do with the attacks on our soil, killing and injuring countless numbers of my FRIENDS and siblings-in-arms. They turned us into a country that TORTURES people, and convinced us to embrace it. And when I came back from their little war, trying to educate people about the excesses being carried out in their names, you know what I got from conservatives? Death threats. Threats against my wife, my family, my career. Some patriots. Some lovers of freedom.

We are talking about people who would rather see a gun in my wife's purse than a packet of birth control. We are talking about people who don't want women to get abortions, but will allow their rapists to sue for custody in 31 states. We are talking about people who want the poor to work, but will not pay people a living wage. You want to know why people increasingly hate conservatives? Because they are fucking vile. Because their beliefs are vile. Because they have been wrong on EVERY FUCKING ISSUE IN THE LAST THIRTY YEARS. FACTUALLY, PROVABLY, WRONG.

I would be dead before I voted Republican in a national election. Fuck conservatives. Fuck them IN THE ASS, IN HELL, FOREVER. So quit your fucking whining.

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The Constitution, last I checked, was not going to build highways and bridges. It was not going to pass budgets. It was not going to reinvest in our schools, or our hospitals. It was not going to protect our most vulnerable citizens - our young, our elderly, our sick. The US Constitution is a wonderful document, make no mistake, but it is not some divinely-inspired document. It is not going to RUN GOVERNMENT. So unfortunately, we can't just magic away this country's problems by stuffing our dicks into the mouldering skulls of the Founders.*

If you follow the rules in it, everything works out fine, if you use it and it's base principles, everything works out fine. Texas's constitution is almost exactly like the US Constitution, coincidental that that state is doing just fine?

Jersey is also set up very similar to the US constitution, and if it weren't for corruption, it would be doing just fine.

The Constitution is not a divinity-inspired document. That's crazy talk, but it DOES run the government. It's the rules or the basis for all other Laws. Written plain and simple. You can't blame a document for the failings of elected officials and the laws they make, but you can use it to identify what elected officials and laws are not following the rules.

That's great that you want to take care of everybody, and that you want to fix the schools and want to build hospitals, but those are problems of society, and business, and family, not the Government. There is a reason they call those things Charities.

The government is not your nanny. Social Security and Disabilty and Unemployment are technically INSURANCE you pay as you work. Work more get more. Social Security also takes care of the sick and the elderly.

You can live off of Social Security if you never paid into the system. I've seen people do it.

Children are the responsibility of their parents. You are not entitled to any standard of living, ask a homeless guy.

Something given has no value. Do you even believe in the principles of personal responsibility and hard work? Because this OpEd Orfeo posted does not.

I never said this OpEd was a crime, I just said it was biased and therefore only to be taken with a grain of salt.

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And let me tell you, in my thirty-one years, there has NEVER been a SINGLE issue on which modern American conservatism has not been DEAD FUCKING WRONG. Pick an issue - war, healthcare, the economy, the environment, civil rights.

This---^ like the article, and the rest of your post after it, is an opinion. You are allowed to have it. I have mine, others have theirs.

Your wife should have a gun. She should buy it herself. She should also buy her own birth control, because I'm not fucking her so it's not my problem.
 
Perhaps not, but the health of all other sectors in the economy depends on the banks, the financial sector. Perhaps it shouldn't be that way, but under capitalism it inevitably is that way and always will be.

So are you saying it's better to manipulate the value of a monetary system than to let it balance and readjust itself?

Free markets are free markets.
 
So are you saying it's better to manipulate the value of a monetary system than to let it balance and readjust itself?

Sometimes or even usually, depending on circumstances. Keynesian economics has never been discredited, you know, though some RWs seem to assume for some reason as an article of faith that it has been. The cutting-edge theory at present is a somewhat modified Post-Keynesianism. Economic libertarianism is not any cutting-edge theory at present, and never will be again in your lifetime nor mine.

Free markets are free markets.

Just so, and the less said of that the better.
 
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Sometimes or even usually, depending on circumstances. Keynesian economics has never been discredited, you know, though some RWs seem to assume for some reason as an article of faith that it has been. The cutting-edge theory at present is a somewhat modified Post-Keynesianism. Economic libertarianism is not any cutting-edge theory at present, and never will be again in your lifetime nor mine.

Hmmm.... I'll answer this---^ after this---v

Just so, and the less said of that the better.

Well here's what bothers me: The value of a dollar as far as it's purchasing power, changed very little from 1800 to 1925, then the markets crashed, then banking reform began and then War costs (valid ones for the most part), so the physical standard disappeared.

The loss in value of physical goods able to be purchased by a dollar post 1925 is mostly due to Keynesian theory:
http://brucewilds.blogspot.com/2014/08/modern-monetary-theory-is-wrong-debt.html
In recent years the concept of austerity has been given a bum rap.**The argument by contemporary Keynesian economists that budget deficits are appropriate when an economy is in recession bolster this movement. They claim it reduces unemployment and helps spur GDP growth, and that in an economy one person's spending is another person's income. If everyone is trying to reduce their spending, the economy can be trapped in what economists call the paradox of thrift, worsening the recession as GDP falls. If the private sector is unable or unwilling to consume at a level that increases GDP and employment sufficiently, thus the argument often heard that the government should spend more, and not less.

In truth an argument can be made that austerity measures do not necessarily increase or decrease economic growth.* All attempts by central governments to prop up asset prices, bail out insolvent banks, or "stimulate" the economy and deficit spending makes stable growth less likely.* Often the typical goal of austerity is to reduce the annual budget deficit without sacrificing growth.* Over time, this should reduce the overall debt burden, as the economy grows.* Blaming austerity for the*blow-back*from governments living beyond its means is more then unfair, we should at all times conduct business and run our government* with responsible reigns on spending. If a government spends and runs its business in an austere way the issue of when to start cutting or tightening should never surface.*

also: Natural competitiveness:
http://www3.uni-bonn.de/Press-releases/evolution-of-competitiveness

and: To play a classic broken record: Someone said you would say that:
http://www.heritage.org/research/re...imulate-economic-growth-answering-the-critics
Proponents of President Barack Obama's $787 billion stimulus bill continue to insist that the massive government bailout played a decisive role in moving the economy out of the recession. Yet assuming no destructive government actions, the economy's self-correction mechanism was widely expected to move the economy out of recession in 2009 anyway. With a parade of "stimulus" bills the past two years (going back to President George W. Bush's tax rebate in early 2008), it was entirely predictable that some would link the expected end of the recession to whichever stimulus bill happened to come last.

So pre Keynesian Banking theory worked well except for the ease of exploitation (like robber barons and such). Since then we have instated rules (not enough) to prevent a lot of crimes without modifying the value of the dollar, instead creating accountabilty (some) for banks and finance.

Then some asshole gave some dicks free money to fix their bad work. They 'pay it back' but it still costs the US taxpayer.

So pre Keynes system with post Keynes regulations and no Government handouts seems like the way to go.
 
No, it isn't; the U.S. Constitution provides for a much stronger and more unitary executive branch.

No one branch is stronger than any other branch, as written, in the US Constitution, hence the almost. The TX constitution is a quick read & a simpler version of the US.


Is it? Is it, really?

Seems like it, you know, except for those unaccounted for cost for illegals.
 
If Republicans gain control of both houses, every few months they'll get to shut down the government. Fuck ebola risks, Islamic States and veterans. They'll want to shutter every last government agency for as long as possible.
 
Hence it appears that, except as to the concurrent authority of the President in the article of treaties, it would be difficult to determine whether that magistrate would, in the aggregate, possess more or less power than the Governor of New York. And it appears yet more unequivocally, that there is no pretense for the parallel which has been attempted between him and the king of Great Britain. But to render the contrast in this respect still more striking, it may be of use to throw the principal circumstances of dissimilitude into a closer group.

The President of the United States would be an officer elected by the people for four years; the king of Great Britain is a perpetual and hereditary prince. The one would be amenable to personal punishment and disgrace; the person of the other is sacred and inviolable. The one would have a qualified negative upon the acts of the legislative body; the other has an absolute negative. The one would have a right to command the military and naval forces of the nation; the other, in addition to this right, possesses that of declaring war, and of raising and regulating fleets and armies by his own authority. The one would have a concurrent power with a branch of the legislature in the formation of treaties; the other is the sole possessor of the power of making treaties. The one would have a like concurrent authority in appointing to offices; the other is the sole author of all appointments. The one can confer no privileges whatever; the other can make denizens of aliens, noblemen of commoners; can erect corporations with all the rights incident to corporate bodies. The one can prescribe no rules concerning the commerce or currency of the nation; the other is in several respects the arbiter of commerce, and in this capacity can establish markets and fairs, can regulate weights and measures, can lay embargoes for a limited time, can coin money, can authorize or prohibit the circulation of foreign coin. The one has no particle of spiritual jurisdiction; the other is the supreme head and governor of the national church! What answer shall we give to those who would persuade us that things so unlike resemble each other? The same that ought to be given to those who tell us that a government, the whole power of which would be in the hands of the elective and periodical servants of the people, is an aristocracy, a monarchy, and a despotism.

Hamilton, Federalist 69
 
Not-Republican AJ dutifully trots out a random Federalist papers snippet to defend his beloved Republican party, which he has never been a member of and never will be a member of.
 
If Republicans gain control of both houses, every few months they'll get to shut down the government. Fuck ebola risks, Islamic States and veterans. They'll want to shutter every last government agency for as long as possible.

And Obama can forget about getting any appointments confirmed for the next two years -- any at all, I should think, they need not be controversial ones.
 
If you follow the rules in it, everything works out fine, if you use it and it's base principles, everything works out fine. Texas's constitution is almost exactly like the US Constitution, coincidental that that state is doing just fine?

Jersey is also set up very similar to the US constitution, and if it weren't for corruption, it would be doing just fine.

The Constitution is not a divinity-inspired document. That's crazy talk, but it DOES run the government. It's the rules or the basis for all other Laws. Written plain and simple. You can't blame a document for the failings of elected officials and the laws they make, but you can use it to identify what elected officials and laws are not following the rules.

That's great that you want to take care of everybody, and that you want to fix the schools and want to build hospitals, but those are problems of society, and business, and family, not the Government. There is a reason they call those things Charities.

The government is not your nanny. Social Security and Disabilty and Unemployment are technically INSURANCE you pay as you work. Work more get more. Social Security also takes care of the sick and the elderly.

You can live off of Social Security if you never paid into the system. I've seen people do it.

Children are the responsibility of their parents. You are not entitled to any standard of living, ask a homeless guy.

Something given has no value. Do you even believe in the principles of personal responsibility and hard work? Because this OpEd Orfeo posted does not.

I never said this OpEd was a crime, I just said it was biased and therefore only to be taken with a grain of salt.



This---^ like the article, and the rest of your post after it, is an opinion. You are allowed to have it. I have mine, others have theirs.

Your wife should have a gun. She should buy it herself. She should also buy her own birth control, because I'm not fucking her so it's not my problem.

I doubt you're fucking anything that requires it to be on birth control.
 
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