Gooooooaaaallllllll!!!!

[John Doe]

They don't wear it because they don't need it.

Ping-pong players don't wear protective gear, either.

Are catchers in baseball games pussies because they wear masks?

Sure. A little brain damage never hurt anyone.

 

[HB1965]

They don't wear it because they don't need it.

Ping-pong players don't wear protective gear, either.

Are catchers in baseball games pussies because they wear masks?

What I got from what Shamanskiss is saying is that Rugby players do have serious injuries. I wasn't exactly being complimentary when I implied they may be more extreme than those who play sports in America.

 

[mark197205]

I never played rugby and there might be some merit to the endurance factor but I doubt that any rugby player has ever been hit harder than a quarterback getting blindsided by a 265 lb defensive end going full tilt.

I wouldnt be so sure Joey, take a look at this guy http://www.leicestertigers.com/squad/players.php?player=4624&includeref=dynamic
He's a shade under 260lb, but he's not one of the forwards (the nearest thing in rugby to a defensive player in rugby) but a back, his nearest equivalent would be the quarterback but he is capable of bulldozing two or three players out the way single handed.

 

[Shamanskiss]

Talking of rugby, I remember a true story about England and Leicester Tigers legend Dean Richards, this was back in the pre professional game era when almost all players had a full time job as well as playing rugby, his chosen profession was as a police officer, he recalled more than once occasion of being on duty until 6am, getting a couple of hours sleep in his car and then going to play an important cup semi final.

The 'stupidity' of the whole game has always been part of the charm.

I remember a game in the 70's , when we did a charity turn-out against the Barbarians. You may have heard of them fellas. We fielded a mixed Uni/joint services team. It was for 'Ormond Street. Peter Pan must have been selling badly.
It was fucking insanity. The result was as exp[ected , beyond ridculous. Indeed it was so expected it was REdiculous. They hit in the nineties , we really , really , didn't.
Nowherefrickinnear... we got fragged .
Yet in a way we won anyway , cos' a few of us came straight from a 'shift' and arrived straight downwards by 'airmail'. Really won the crowd over.
Police were pissed. They prefer permits for that sort of bollocks. oooops.
someone forgot.
Good game mind you.

 

[mark197205]

The 'stupidity' of the whole game has always been part of the charm.

I remember a game in the 70's , when we did a charity turn-out against the Barbarians. You may have heard of them fellas. We fielded a mixed Uni/joint services team. It was for 'Ormond Street. Peter Pan must have been selling badly.
It was fucking insanity. The result was as exp[ected , beyond ridculous. Indeed it was so expected it was REdiculous. They hit in the nineties , we really , really , didn't.
Nowherefrickinnear... we got fragged .
Yet in a way we won anyway , cos' a few of us came straight from a 'shift' and arrived straight downwards by 'airmail'. Really won the crowd over.
Police were pissed. They prefer permits for that sort of bollocks. oooops.
someone forgot.
Good game mind you.

Thats the woodentops for ya, no sense of humour..

 

[Shamanskiss]

You type faster than you think, apparently.

Btw, is your spacebar malfunctioning?

Oh lord , you again...

still pouting like a petulant little girl , I see.

Anyone with half a brain would have spotted that you cause me absolutely no disquiet.

At some point you will need to embrace the realisation that anyone who resorts to the spacebar/typo/auto-pussy approach has already lost. Try leaving the basement.

You were a failure as a distraction last evening. This 'morning' you will do well if I bother to ignore you.
What exactly is your shallow, pretentious, facade a screen for ?
You really do come across as one who has never really been far from home.
Thus , all you know is bound to be best.

 

[Byron In Exile]

What I got from what Shamanskiss is saying is that Rugby players do have serious injuries. I wasn't exactly being complimentary when I implied they may be more extreme than those who play sports in America.

That's good to know.

I abhor "sports" in which injury wins one some sort of merit badge.

I saw a video — I think it was "Jackass" or something like that — of a kid trying to ride a skateboard down the arm-rail of a stairway. He ended up crashing and breaking his arm. The second bit was the same kid, one arm in a cast, attempting the same stunt. Guess what happened? He crashed and broke his other arm.

I don't admire him any more than I admire rugby players.

 

[Joeybagadonuts]

The helmet and shoulder pads have no effect in that situation but to add more weight to the impact when you hit the ground.

I'm sure you've also seen QBs get hit high and low or get planted with 300 lbs of defensive animal on top, get back up and continue to play.

Playing in the NFL takes big balls.

I’ve known some outstanding athletes who didn’t make the cut.

If it was easy I'm sure there would be a lot of Australian rules players coming up to make the big bucks.

 

[Shamanskiss]

It's actually the reverse.

America has contests where the athletes don't need to break their collarbones in order to prove themselves.

for 'don't need'...read daren't.

you can dress it up how you want.
Hard is hard.
Reluctant , is exactly that,
and timid is a crash helmet and armour in a ball-game where hardlies any time is spent on the pitch.

It is totally a case of talking the talk,
but only walking the walk when one is 'en-armoured' with one's self.

 

[Shamanskiss]

That's good to know.

I abhor "sports" in which injury wins one some sort of merit badge.

I saw a video — I think it was "Jackass" or something like that — of a kid trying to ride a skateboard down the arm-rail of a stairway. He ended up crashing and breaking his arm. The second bit was the same kid, one arm in a cast, attempting the same stunt. Guess what happened? He crashed and broke his other arm.

I don't admire him any more than I admire rugby players.

Comparing the skateboard thing to Rugby simply underlines your total lack of understanding.

Now you're grasping. Are you actually saying no Am'foot'careers got ended by dirty plays wrecking knees.

But I know you never dared play Rugby.
That is in no doubt whatsoever.

If you say you did , your previous posts prove you will be lying.
If you say you have too much sense, you wil be excusing your shortcomings.

Your need to be taken seriously falls short of its own appetite.

 

[Shamanskiss]

I never played rugby and there might be some merit to the endurance factor but I doubt that any rugby player has ever been hit harder than a quarterback getting blindsided by a 265 lb defensive end going full tilt.

with respect, plenty of Rugby players equal , and exceed that weight. The frontline would normally, at least , equal that weight. They travel as fast , and when they hit neither the hitter nor the hit has the protection of armour.
My adult playing weight was generally between 19 and 20 stone, carried on a 6' 3 " frame , and not flab by any means. Over the hundred yards my speed was a shock to many skinny sprinters. I could also keep it up for the entire game.

Many rugby players will have experienced hits at least as hard , as a regular event.

One of the prop forwards on my school team weighed in heavier than 265. I was the other first-stringer and weighed a little less.
That was at the age of fifteen. We survived him , without any armour or helmets.

 

[Shamanskiss]

I wouldnt be so sure Joey, take a look at this guy http://www.leicestertigers.com/squad/players.php?player=4624&includeref=dynamic
He's a shade under 260lb, but he's not one of the forwards (the nearest thing in rugby to a defensive player in rugby) but a back, his nearest equivalent would be the quarterback but he is capable of bulldozing two or three players out the way single handed.

there's a whole different mentality.

One of my main jobs , apart from totally dominating scrums , was to demolish loose scrums . And by that I mean flatten upto six opposition players in one hit . That was done at serious speed , fit to match a winger's over a mid-distance spurt , sans multi-layered padding.
As stated , my mate John was over 18 stone at 15 y.o.a. and he wasn't flab.
Someone had to tackle the big bugger.
And calm him down when he had some pop in him, and some twat upset him.

 

[Joeybagadonuts]

with respect, plenty of Rugby players equal , and exceed that weight. The frontline would normally, at least , equal that weight. They travel as fast , and when they hit neither the hitter nor the hit has the protection of armour.
My adult playing weight was generally between 19 and 20 stone, carried on a 6' 3 " frame , and not flab by any means. Over the hundred yards my speed was a shock to many skinny sprinters. I could also keep it up for the entire game.

Many rugby players will have experienced hits at least as hard , as a regular event.

One of the prop forwards on my school team weighed in heavier than 265. I was the other first-stringer and weighed a little less.
That was at the age of fifteen. We survived him , without any armour or helmets.

I don't know shit about Rugby so I’m not inclined to participate in the debate, but I do know that protective football equipment developed as a result of need. So I ask you, do former Rugby players have a history of serious, debilitating medical problems?

 

[Shamanskiss]

I don't know shit about Rugby so I’m not inclined to participate in the debate, but I do know that protective football equipment developed as a result of need. So I ask you, do former Rugby players have a history of serious, debilitating medical problems?

Some , yes...

There are certainly physical limitations I , myself , now deal with that are the result of a 'bunch' of physical experiences that probably started with Rugby , developed through Squash , climbing mountains ( including gasping my lungs out stumbling round the Himalayas more than once ) , several possibly stupid occupational hazards the details of which I will glance over , tossing myself out of serviceable aircraft for work and play.

My knees are fairly fucked. No question.
One shoulder is bolloxed to a fair extent from far too much shooting , trauma , impacts , and load bearing..
My spine is a bit of a fuck up.
BUT... I am ambulent , operational , old , and have a wealth of bloody good memories.

You tell me...

Which do you think was the best choice. Experience the range of moments those things offered . Or to cringe in a corner incase I broke a nail and have a miserable fucking old age just round the corner.?

 

[where]

Don't underestimate what it does take to play in the NFL.

I'm not, but it seems most yanks are severely underestimating what it takes to play rugby or football.

I like chess.

Bring it on.

But first, you might want to get a satellite dish and watch a little football.

You really have no idea what you're in for.

I saw lots of it when it was on terrestrial and I've seen my bro-in-law play. I know exactly what i'm in for. boredom

What "you guys"? I don't like American football.

shhh!

Whenever people raise the difference between Rugby and Am'footy I always recall a game which I think was a match where JPR played for Bridgend in , around , 1978 . JPR got studded and his cheek was torn open. Totally unfazed , Williams retired from the pitch, and sat down to stitch the injury himself , and promptly return to the action.
Outside of Rugby I can't imagine that happening really.

who was the footballer who played with a broken ankle? That goalies ribs must have been broken, poor sod

It's actually the reverse.

America has contests where the athletes don't need to break their collarbones in order to prove themselves.

you're missing the point.

I don't know shit about Rugby so I’m not inclined to participate in the debate, but I do know that protective football equipment developed as a result of need. So I ask you, do former Rugby players have a history of serious, debilitating medical problems?

as shamen said, but also there has been the odd death and cases of players ending up in wheelchairs. it's really rare though.

 

[where]

lets have some yums...

 

[John Doe]

shhh!

Well I don't!

 

[Byron In Exile]

you're missing the point.

I believe you are.

 

[where]

I believe you are.

*shakes head*

see, I have watched both, pretty extensively, so I do kinda know what they look like. But tell you what, next time I see my bro-in-law, I'll ask him. I know he's played both but only plays us footie now.

 

[Joeybagadonuts]

The nature of the contact is different between the two codes. In particularly, the rules of tackling are very different - high tackles are impermissible, and one may not shoulder-charge or (of course) lead with the head (as is taught in gridiron, to its shame). There also is no "blocking" (it would be interference), and most contact except at the tackle (and even then) comes with limited run-up: no wide receiver running at speed into open space and being taken in the air by a strong safety with a 15 yard running start. A head slap or a clip would be a red-card dismissal, with your team playing a man down the rest of the way.

 

[Sean]

I wouldnt be so sure Joey, take a look at this guy http://www.leicestertigers.com/squad/players.php?player=4624&includeref=dynamic
He's a shade under 260lb, but he's not one of the forwards (the nearest thing in rugby to a defensive player in rugby) but a back, his nearest equivalent would be the quarterback but he is capable of bulldozing two or three players out the way single handed.

I need to find that video of Rob Andrew just bouncing off Jonah Lomu as the Lomu just charged down the wing.

 

[butters]

The nature of the contact is different between the two codes. In particularly, the rules of tackling are very different - high tackles are impermissible, and one may not shoulder-charge or (of course) lead with the head (as is taught in gridiron, to its shame). There also is no "blocking" (it would be interference), and most contact except at the tackle (and even then) comes with limited run-up: no wide receiver running at speed into open space and being taken in the air by a strong safety with a 15 yard running start. A head slap or a clip would be a red-card dismissal, with your team playing a man down the rest of the way.

here's one for you

 

[butters]

's gotta hurt

 

[mark197205]

I need to find that video of Rob Andrew just bouncing off Jonah Lomu as the Lomu just charged down the wing.

He was a one man demolition team in that game..

 

[Sean]

So, are the Azuri going to play their usual negative tournament game?