Goodbye Pelosi; Hello Tea Party & Gridlock!

[Stella_Omega]

It's nice to see that people are spending so much time arguing about this here. You guys must really get along and like eachother. But talk about a niche audience.

yep. it's a small pond for little frogs.

Frogs that should be here for the spawning, mind you. it's a damn porn board, after all!

 

[Zeb_Carter]

Whine, whine, whine, whine...god am I tried of hearing nothing but whining.

Yeah, yeah, I know I was one of them not too long ago and the things I whined about came true. Of course I'll hear whining about that statement now.

Quit your whining and figure out that whatever you do is going to put someone in power that not everyone likes and won't be good for the country. Find someone(s) who are. Don't fall all over yourselves just because he/she is the first black person to run. Or they promise you great things will happen if they are given the power. These people only want the power and fuck you.

The current administration didn't give a shit about the people when they passed that stupid medical (whatever it was fucking called) without knowing what the hell was in the damn thing. And in the dark of the night as quick as they could. What a bunch of horse shit.

Now that they found out what's in the bill, they all start back pedaling and the executive branch starts granting waivers to the law to those groups who will be harmed by the bill. Great fucking bill. Fucked up government. What was the fucking hurry? Well we know now. Seem they were wrong about the little people wanting the piece of shit they jammed through.

The last ten years have been...bullshit. And it's so deep now that it's going to take our grandchildren and their children to dig us out of this fucking hole we voted ourselves into.

I know...whine, whine, whine. Well you all do too.

 

[Stella_Omega]

I don't see much whining, actually.

I don't see anyone screaming about how IT'S NOT FAAIIR! the way you just did, Zeb.

We take our lumps-- and start thinking about what comes next.

 

[xsgonzo]

I think the country is just making wild swings -- far left two years ago, far right this time around. Each side is thinking they have a mandate when really all they are getting is their turn at bat.

The Dems made a lot of promises and didn't deliver so you would notice.

Now the Tea Party has made a lot of noise and gained some power.

Of course the Dems blamed those pesky Republicans for getting in their way. I'm sure we will see the same thing in reverse.

What we haven't seen for a while is a willingness to listen to each other and work together. Until that happens its probably going to be more of the same -- turn left, turn right, and never move forward.

Yes the key is working together. Obama seems genuine in wanting to work with the others, but the question is will they work with him? It is tough to undo in two years when it took eight years to get us into this mess.

 

[wet_special]

Good post

Whine, whine, whine, whine...god am I tried of hearing nothing but whining.

Yeah, yeah, I know I was one of them not too long ago and the things I whined about came true. Of course I'll hear whining about that statement now.

Quit your whining and figure out that whatever you do is going to put someone in power that not everyone likes and won't be good for the country. Find someone(s) who are. Don't fall all over yourselves just because he/she is the first black person to run. Or they promise you great things will happen if they are given the power. These people only want the power and fuck you.

The current administration didn't give a shit about the people when they passed that stupid medical (whatever it was fucking called) without knowing what the hell was in the damn thing. And in the dark of the night as quick as they could. What a bunch of horse shit.

Now that they found out what's in the bill, they all start back pedaling and the executive branch starts granting waivers to the law to those groups who will be harmed by the bill. Great fucking bill. Fucked up government. What was the fucking hurry? Well we know now. Seem they were wrong about the little people wanting the piece of shit they jammed through.

The last ten years have been...bullshit. And it's so deep now that it's going to take our grandchildren and their children to dig us out of this fucking hole we voted ourselves into.

I know...whine, whine, whine. Well you all do too.

Yep as of 2010 it's official.. the lost decade.. Well, I'd extend it to 1990 cuz by then ol' "Read My Lips" was already fucking things up. So yeah, lost score of years. FFS, if government sucks so bad why we gotta pay it more and more?

 

[Stella_Omega]

Yes the key is working together. Obama seems genuine in wanting to work with the others, but the question is will they work with him? It is tough to undo in two years when it took eight years to get us into this mess.

Some common sense in this article;
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paulina-porizkova/post_1189_b_777137.html?ir=Style

 

[Zeb_Carter]

I don't see much whining, actually.

I don't see anyone screaming about how IT'S NOT FAAIIR! the way you just did, Zeb.

We take our lumps-- and start thinking about what comes next.

I do. I didn't. I did. I am.

 

[amicus]

During the late 60's, before my European jaunt, I built and ran a small coffee house on a college campus, had musicians and poets come in to play and read and get to know each other. Maybe one out of every hundred students that drifted by to check us out, perhaps one had a head on his/her shoulders.

I called it the Little Lyceum and the small group that ebbed and flowed changed as people came and left, but maintained its' quality for almost two years.

There at least as many, if not more good minds on this frog pond, as you put it, than among the thousands at the University. In addition we have wonderful input from Europe, occassionally Asia and even Australia, artists, musicians, Ph'd's in many fields, most, writer's who explore every area of human thought.

I forced myself to watch the Obama speech today and my first observation was that he is a really poor public speaker when speaking extemporaneously, his verbiage filled with what they warned us about in high school, uh,s, ah,s, and the harbinger of true ignorance, gonna, wanna, coulda, shoulda, poor Emglish usage and grammar.

There was no essential content in his words, but as always the condescention to the public that we are too slow and dumb to realize what a great man he is and how his beginning attempts to transform America into a democratic socialist Euro like nanny States has worked just fine in his opinion, it is we the people that don't understand that he is doing all the 'right' things even if they are hard. Utter Bullshit, the man is a complete failure as a President.

He did, however, answer the question of whether he would remain entrenched in left wing ideololology or begin to govern as a moderate. He paid lip service to meeting with the other Party and refuses to put aside his grand socialist dreams of transforming the nation.

My guess is that the newly Republican majority House of Representatives will send Bills and Legislation to the Senate and they will be defeated there or if not, vetoed by the White House.

It ain't gonna be pretty.

Amicus

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

We went thru it last year; Obama went to Baltimore to confront the GOP and invite their ideas, then went back to DC and ignored them with his Congressional majorities. Now he's snakebit with no House and unable to dominate the Senate.

For the next 2 years he'll propose wild nonsense, the GOP will block it, and he'll blame the GOP for his impotence, in 2012.

The Fed is poised to dump $1,000,000,000,000 of funny money into the economy; they want to create inflation that forces you to deplete your savings and rainy day stache.

 

[squarejohn]

I hope there is gridlock; it's the first step to smaller government. There has been too much legislation lately and most of it has damaged the country, and is unconstitutional.

 

[cloudy]

Whine, whine, whine, whine...god am I tried of hearing nothing but whining.

Yeah, yeah, I know I was one of them not too long ago and the things I whined about came true. Of course I'll hear whining about that statement now.

Quit your whining and figure out that whatever you do is going to put someone in power that not everyone likes and won't be good for the country. Find someone(s) who are. Don't fall all over yourselves just because he/she is the first black person to run. Or they promise you great things will happen if they are given the power. These people only want the power and fuck you.

The current administration didn't give a shit about the people when they passed that stupid medical (whatever it was fucking called) without knowing what the hell was in the damn thing. And in the dark of the night as quick as they could. What a bunch of horse shit.

Now that they found out what's in the bill, they all start back pedaling and the executive branch starts granting waivers to the law to those groups who will be harmed by the bill. Great fucking bill. Fucked up government. What was the fucking hurry? Well we know now. Seem they were wrong about the little people wanting the piece of shit they jammed through.

The last ten years have been...bullshit. And it's so deep now that it's going to take our grandchildren and their children to dig us out of this fucking hole we voted ourselves into.

I know...whine, whine, whine. Well you all do too.

I don't think I will. Besides, you've got the Bitch & Moan title all locked up.

 

[Handley_Page]

It seems there was some "fun":-

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/11/03/elections_california/

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

I don't see much whining, actually.

I don't see anyone screaming about how IT'S NOT FAAIIR! the way you just did, Zeb.

We take our lumps-- and start thinking about what comes next.

You know, I'd love to tell Zeb Carter to his face exactly what Rush Limbaugh said behind the safety of his EIB mike:

I hope the Republicans FAIL. I hope they make such an epic mess of things in their pursuit of small Government

because nowhere in history do you see 'small Government' societies thriving for long, and Zeb Carter knows this

that people will remember for a whole century, with dreadful recollection, how bad things get when Tea Party-types get into power.

 

[JackLuis]

It seems there was some "fun":-

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/11/03/elections_california/

California politics is an art form few have aspired to match.

Pot is still a big import here, witness the bust in San Diego, 30 tons of weed and a 600 yard tunnel under the border, with 10 tons n the Mexican side. Shades of the Gaza Strip!

 

[Boxlicker101]

I don't see much whining, actually.

I don't see anyone screaming about how IT'S NOT FAAIIR! the way you just did, Zeb.

We take our lumps-- and start thinking about what comes next.

I don't see much whining on this forum now either. Of course, I read a LOT of it up through 2006, especially about the 2000 and 2004 presidential elections.

 

[Stella_Omega]

And what you fail to understand is that the non-white vote has shifted AWAY from supporting your cause.

The black vote is lost to you... forever. The Hispanic vote is going by the boards because of the immigrant mess; but you've never gotten a majority of them to support laissez-faire economics.

Latino voters prevented the gop takeover of the senate

 

[Boxlicker101]

Latino voters prevented the gop takeover of the senate

The thrust of the article is probably right, although it is not very truthful. Nobody, including Republicans in general, is opposed to immigration, but many people oppose illegal immigration.

ETA: May I refer you to the new senator elect from FL: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marco_Rubio

 

[TE999]

UPDATE

San Fran Nan has declared she will run for House Minority Leader in January, 2011. I guess she thinks being Queen of the Liberal ant farm is better than total anonymity.

Who wants to bet that the Dem's are clueless enough to do it?

 

[JackLuis]

Every cloud has a silver lining.

Rep. Ron Paul expected to lead House in Federal Reserve oversight

Republican Representative Ron Paul on Thursday said he will push to examine the Federal Reserve's monetary policy decisions if he takes control of the congressional subcommittee that oversees the central bank as expected in January.

"I think they're way too independent. They just shouldn't have this power," Paul, a longtime Fed critic, said in an interview with Reuters. "Up until recently it has been modest but now it's totally out of control."

Paul is currently the top Republican on the House of Representatives subcommittee that oversees domestic monetary policy, and is likely to head the panel when Republicans take control of the chamber in January.

Bernanke is overjoyed!

 

[JackLuis]

Bloomberg: Congress members ‘can’t read,’ ‘don’t have passports,’ may start trade war

New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg has set his sights on what he -- and many others -- see as the provincial, insular nature of American politics, and he has unkind words for the country's current crop of legislators.

His Honor, seems to be correct, what with Sen. Graham, stepping all over his dick today.

 

[JackLuis]

The Hits just keep Coming, with Republicans in charge!​

Bush 'considered' bombing Syria ​

In his memoir, "Decision Points", to hit bookstores on Tuesday, Bush says that he received an intelligence report about a "suspicious, well-hidden facility in the eastern desert of Syria" that looked similar to a nuclear facility at Yongbyon, North Korea.

Shortly afterward, he spoke by phone with Ehud Olmert, then the Israeli prime minister.

"George, I'm asking you to bomb the compound," Olmert told Bush, according to the book, a copy of which was obtained by the Reuters news agency.

Bush said he discussed options with his national security team. A bombing mission was considered "but bombing a sovereign country with no warning or announced justification would create severe blowback," he writes.

Oh my God! George was right!

 

[JackLuis]

One more time!

The Republican party dipped deep into the corporate coffers in 2010. So Who owns Congress?

Welcome to the Muckrakers.

This is a Public Service Announcement

 

[Boxlicker101]

The Hits just keep Coming, with Republicans in charge!​

Oh my God! George was right!

There are many possible courses of action that are "considered." There are all sorts of contingency plans. The Big O has said he has not ruled out anything regarding Iran, which I take to mean he is considering military action, including bombing. That does not mean it will ever happen; it just means it is a possibility.

 

[Pure]

gridlock

The republicans have been rewarded for 'gridlock', and so with their little minds, they'll do more, plus extras like 'impeach obama' and 'shut down the government'.

old Bill dealt with this rather nicely, and won re-election. Obama has to be concrete: "here's a proposal to reduce taxes on small businesses." then when Republicans stonewall, say "Repubs are clearly for the rich, and against small businesses." make sure that efforts continue, so that people see the stonewall for a month or two.


it's essential to remember that Repubs have no actual solution to any problem except 'remove federal presence' and 'lower taxes'--how this will help failing banks and foreclosed owners will remain to be seen. it's also essential to remember that no Republican in our time has ever 'limited' governement, i.e. reduced its size and expenditure.

there was a nice analysis of Obama's shortcomings in der spiegel, an except is below; it's the old 'Reagan democrat' problem. as well, he got less of the under-25 vote, the Catholic vote, and even the Latino vote.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,727290,00.html

by thomas kleine brockhoff

[excerpt, fair use, for dicusssion]




In a brilliant essay, Henry Olsen of the conservative American Enterprise Institute think tank described the values of the US working class: They believe in advancement through hard work and they are not envious of Bill Gates' billions. Instead they believe that their own children could become just as wealthy. They themselves, on the other hand, are seized by fears of losing their own position and they recognize the risk to their jobs, especially in a crisis like this. They believe that people should live within their means, and that's why they find it hard to understand why a government can borrow in a massive and unrestricted way.

Despite modest means, they are proud of what they have achieved and in that sense they are in no way people who "get bitter" and "cling to guns or religion" as Barack Obama once said. That kind of condescension angers them deeply. Stability is important to them. They are averse to risks and especially to rapid change. In other words, averse to the change that the transformative presidency of Obama and the promise of urban progressivism.

Some figures illustrate why Obama's party lost by such large margins:
Not since 1984 have so few union members voted for the Democrats.

The Republicans won among voters without a college education, unlike in 2006 and 2008.

The Catholics, who because of their large wave of immigration during the 19th century form the core of the industrial working class, have bolted to the Republican Party in droves, with an increase of 12 percent. The consequence is the mass die-out of Democratic candidates in the old industrial states from Pennsylvania to Ohio, and as far west as Missouri. The Democrats have mostly remained popular in the urban zones along the coasts -- too few to form a majority.

The fact that the working class is walking away from the Democrats is not a new phenomenon. During the 1980s, the so-called Reagan Democrats voted for the Republican Party in droves. Now they have revolted against President Obama. The societal coalition that swept him into office has shattered.

 

[Boxlicker101]

The republicans have been rewarded for 'gridlock', and so with their little minds, they'll do more, plus extras like 'impeach obama' and 'shut down the government'.

old Bill dealt with this rather nicely, and won re-election. Obama has to be concrete: "here's a proposal to reduce taxes on small businesses." then when Republicans stonewall, say "Repubs are clearly for the rich, and against small businesses." make sure that efforts continue, so that people see the stonewall for a month or two.


it's essential to remember that Repubs have no actual solution to any problem except 'remove federal presence' and 'lower taxes'--how this will help failing banks and foreclosed owners will remain to be seen. it's also essential to remember that no Republican in our time has ever 'limited' governement, i.e. reduced its size and expenditure.

there was a nice analysis of Obama's shortcomings in der spiegel, an except is below; it's the old 'Reagan democrat' problem. as well, he got less of the under-25 vote, the Catholic vote, and even the Latino vote.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,727290,00.html

by thomas kleine brockhoff

[excerpt, fair use, for dicusssion]




In a brilliant essay, Henry Olsen of the conservative American Enterprise Institute think tank described the values of the US working class: They believe in advancement through hard work and they are not envious of Bill Gates' billions. Instead they believe that their own children could become just as wealthy. They themselves, on the other hand, are seized by fears of losing their own position and they recognize the risk to their jobs, especially in a crisis like this. They believe that people should live within their means, and that's why they find it hard to understand why a government can borrow in a massive and unrestricted way.

Despite modest means, they are proud of what they have achieved and in that sense they are in no way people who "get bitter" and "cling to guns or religion" as Barack Obama once said. That kind of condescension angers them deeply. Stability is important to them. They are averse to risks and especially to rapid change. In other words, averse to the change that the transformative presidency of Obama and the promise of urban progressivism.

Some figures illustrate why Obama's party lost by such large margins:
Not since 1984 have so few union members voted for the Democrats.

The Republicans won among voters without a college education, unlike in 2006 and 2008.

The Catholics, who because of their large wave of immigration during the 19th century form the core of the industrial working class, have bolted to the Republican Party in droves, with an increase of 12 percent. The consequence is the mass die-out of Democratic candidates in the old industrial states from Pennsylvania to Ohio, and as far west as Missouri. The Democrats have mostly remained popular in the urban zones along the coasts -- too few to form a majority.

The fact that the working class is walking away from the Democrats is not a new phenomenon. During the 1980s, the so-called Reagan Democrats voted for the Republican Party in droves. Now they have revolted against President Obama. The societal coalition that swept him into office has shattered.

Do you actually believe the Republicans will try to drum up impeachment procedings against The Big O? They might, and I believe I read something on a thread in this forum, but I doubt very much there will be any serious movement. Of course, it he does something egregious, such as Clinton did, there might be. Please don't say C. was impeached for lying about his sex life. It would be technically true, but the true fact is that he was impeached for perjury, a felony, and especially reprehensible when commtted by a lawyer.

C, was able to work with the Rep. majorities in both houses of Congress because he knew it was in his best interests and in those of the country. The centerpiece was the "Contract with America" which drastically reduced welfare and made other changes most people wanted. By that time, welfare had grown to ridiculous heights. It encouraged laziness and having children out of wedlock and other things most Americans disparaged. There were some families who lived off welfare for generations. It was actually a valid career choice for some, especially women.

O. is much further left than C. was, and he may not be able to work with the Reps, especially in passing bills that are seen as being contrary to the best interests of the people of the contry, such as Cap and Trade and the full implementation of Obamacare. I don't expect full gridlock, but I do believe some of O's plans will be thwarted. This is not just being anti-Obama; it is being in favor of what is perceived to be best for the country.