God's rule against homosexuality & bisexuality

[LustUncutCock]

Hi all.. I've a serious Q >> what do u think about God's rule against homosexuality & bisexuality?

Thank you

 

[crazybbwgirl]

I don't believe in God.

 

[Etoile]

LustUncutCock, do you mind if I PM alexandraaah to have this post moved to the GLBT Chatter section?

 

[Etoile]

1 Corinthians 6:9

"....Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor theives nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."


That's the only part in the index of a student's study Bible that I could find any reference to homosexuality in.

See also Leviticus 20:13: "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."

 

[Bobmi357]

Just which god would you be referring to?

And lets just forget that you're talking about a book thats undergone dozens of translations (many of which are inaccurate).

 

[Lust Engine]

And lets just forget that you're talking about a book thats undergone dozens of translations (many of which are inaccurate).

This has also been a book that has been skewed and started bloody crusades. It has been used and adapted by Ku Klux Klansmen and other racially charged hate groups to justify their causes too. There are supposedly lines in the Bible allowing male ownership of women, justification of slavery, and all sorts of other activities that modern society finds unsavory & unacceptable.

So while it might preach wonderful things, it's also up to the reader to extrapilate the good from it too.

 

[crazybbwgirl]

And don't forget those snake handlers! Boy that's a weird sect!

 

[SexyChele]

What do I think of it? I think that God is more compassionate than a bunch of rules that mankind tries to put over on people. To my way of thinking, it was mankind that wrote "The Book", not God. People say they were inspired. Okay. That was thousands of years ago, and under very different circumstances. To me it is impossible to have a God that is all loving and all forgiving while at the same time highly judgemental.

I truly believe that when most of us get to those pearly gates, we are gonna be very surprised at who gets in and who doesn't. After all, throughout the Bible the big point that is made is to love one another. I believe God loves the homosexual just as much as He loves anyone else. I believe it is mankind who has judged individuals for their choices.

Too much gets blamed on God and not enough on those who try to interpret what He is about. But then, that's just my opinion.

 

[Lust Engine]

I truly believe that when most of us get to those pearly gates, we are gonna be very surprised at who gets in and who doesn't.

I'd still like to think that after we're long gone on this mortal plane and head on up to the pearly gates, we're ALL going to get a chance to go through those gates- even the sick twisted bastards that we live with in our society today. I'd like to think that God did such a good job with us that we're going to shed the prejudices & judgments we might feel about people here on Earth.

At least I hope so.

 

[PAINTED BUNTING]

It's all bullshit, if you really believed the bible, you would all be orthodox Jews.

 

[Guest]

I read your post on Krspy's thread. I understand your concerns . It's only natural and you're only human.

 

[Lust Engine]

It's all bullshit, if you really believed the bible, you would all be orthodox Jews.

Huh? Why should we label ourselves anything if we all believe in God??

I guess what strikes me is all these different sects of man who skew the Bible to their atone or justify their actions and call themselves a religon. I'd like to think that I don't need a rabbi, priest, minister or whatever to have a direct link with our Creator.

 

[crazybbwgirl]

It's all bullshit, if you really believed the bible, you would all be orthodox Jews.

well - only for the Old Testament part. I don't think Jews have any New Testament in their Bible......

 

[SexyChele]

It's all bullshit, if you really believed the bible, you would all be orthodox Jews.

This is bullshit. At the time the Bible (Old Testament, btw) was written, there was not such thing as "Orthodox Jews". That term arose out of the movement of Reform Judaism. And a simple study would show that Orthodox Jews rely heavily on commentary from Rabbis that were born and lived and died well after the Bible had already been written. Without those commentaries, Orthodox Jews would not have much to defend their beliefs.

 

[PinkOrchid]

 

[English Lady]

Sexychelle said

What do I think of it? I think that God is more compassionate than a bunch of rules that mankind tries to put over on people.

I think that is it. I think God IS love and I think he is relevent and up to date.

The bible is the word of God,Hey i'm a christian its one of my fundemental beliefs but you have to take it in its biblical context... ie it was written in another country and written a long time ago by many different people.

Each person has there own relationship with God,there own perception of him and i believe that this is how God meant it to be.

Oh and at the end of the day sin is forgiveable. All you need is your faith in Jesus and you're on your way to eternal life

(ok before anyone screams at me for that last comment, i know it over simplifies things a bit but i think we Christians OVER complicate things too much!)

 

[chicagophotoman]

a couple of pennies to the cause....

I don't believe in God, the Bible, or any of the other magic that others believe in. Personally I think gays are treated exactly the same as african americans in the 60's, women in the 30's, ect..
Why is their hatred toward them? Who knows? Hopefully as younger generations come into power the hatred of those that are different for any reason will slowly reside.
I know that we will never be free of all racism/bigotry, but I'd be nice to see gays get the same rights as everyone else.
I know I seem like im contradicting myself with the comments about religion, but personally I think this world would be a better place without religion. Just my thoughts, everyone doesnt have to agree.

 

[LustUncutCock]

First i wanna thank you for the replies & the light u shed on behalf of my conflict.

>>> TinkerSquash: I think the Bible is oftentimes a bunch of hypocritical bullshit. It calls believers to try and be as much like Christ as possible, to strive for perfection... yet at the same time, there is the understanding that we are eternal sinners and that we can never be perfect. The other fascinating bit about the Bible is it is full of so many judgements... whom we should not fratnernise with... all those adulterers and thieves and drunkards and swindlers, the non-believers etc. Yet the Bible says we should love one another.We're to shun the non-believers and the heavy sinners. How is that showing love? If there is a God and he is pure love, then I think he is alive and well in healthy, happy same-sex relationships. Be who you are and say what you feel, 'cause people who mind don't matter, and people who matter don't mind. <<<

LustUncutCock: Exactly, it's such a paradox & that is where i think the people who altered the Bible over the centuries have gone wrong.

>>> Etoile: LustUncutCock, do you mind if I PM alexandraaah to have this post moved to the GLBT Chatter section? <<<

LustUncutCock: nope, i dont mind it being moved =)

>>> Lustengine: There are supposedly lines in the Bible allowing male ownership of women, justification of slavery, and all sorts of other activities that modern society finds unsavory & unacceptable. So while it might preach wonderful things, it's also up to the reader to extrapilate the good from it too. I guess what strikes me is all these different sects of man who skew the Bible to their atone or justify their actions and call themselves a religon. I'd like to think that I don't need a rabbi, priest, minister or whatever to have a direct link with our Creator. <<<

LustUncutCock: wow i didnt know that.. true the Bible must be read between the lines to extract any good from it.


>>> Sexychele: What do I think of it? I think that God is more compassionate than a bunch of rules that mankind tries to put over on people. To my way of thinking, it was mankind that wrote "The Book", not God. People say they were inspired. Okay. That was thousands of years ago, and under very different circumstances. To me it is impossible to have a God that is all loving and all forgiving while at the same time highly judgemental. I truly believe that when most of us get to those pearly gates, we are gonna be very surprised at who gets in and who doesn't. After all, throughout the Bible the big point that is made is to love one another. I believe God loves the homosexual just as much as He loves anyone else. I believe it is mankind who has judged individuals for their choices. Too much gets blamed on God and not enough on those who try to interpret what He is about. <<<

LustUncutCock: I agree.. & thats another thing. Did God speak these words to a man or a group of men, who then scribbled it down.. or like u mentioned, did mankind just get inspired? Either way, the Bible has been so altered over time, there are probably laws that are not even from God.

>>> MistressRain: I read your post on Krspy's thread. I understand your concerns . It's only natural and you're only human. <<<

LustUncutCock: Thanx MistressRain =)

>>> EnglishLady: I think God IS love and I think he is relevent and up to date. The bible is the word of God,Hey i'm a christian its one of my fundemental beliefs but you have to take it in its biblical context... ie it was written in another country and written a long time ago by many different people. Each person has there own relationship with God,there own perception of him and i believe that this is how God meant it to be. Oh and at the end of the day sin is forgiveable. All you need is your faith in Jesus and you're on your way to eternal life. (ok before anyone screams at me for that last comment, i know it over simplifies things a bit but i think we Christians OVER complicate things too much!) <<<

LustUncutCock: yes i agree, take it in its biblical context.. & i also believe in what you said about God meant for each of us to have our own relationship w/ Him & our own perceptions of Him. THANK YOU ALL =)

 

[dollface007]

It's all bullshit, if you really believed the bible, you would all be orthodox Jews.

I don't totally agree with the bullshit part, but you're right in the sense that if you followed Leviticus to the letter (e.g., not cutting the hair on the sides of your head, preparing your food in certain specified ways) than you'd be following alot of Jewish customs... many of them outdated and practiced by very few people today. Surprisingly, this chapter of the Old Testement is what alot of Fundamentalist Christians say we should follow to the letter and use to damn homosexuals.
As for Paul's letter to the Corinthians, Paul said a lot of shitty things in his day. He was a total misogynist, and the fact that the Catholic Church has been built on many of his teachings is evident in it's attitude towards women and homosexuals (I'm Catholic, so nobody get on my case for Catholic-bashing...it's informed criticism).
I think that if you really want to know about "God's Law" and you are a Christian, than you should consider looking at the life of Jesus and using it as an example instead of trying to follow every word of the Bible....if you did you'd be a very confused person. Also, if you are going to use the Bible as a weapon, you better damn well know what you're talking about. I bet my life that if Jesus were walking the earth today, you'd find him on the corner of Haight and Ashbury before you would find him dining with Billy Graham.

 

[LustUncutCock]

>>> Dollface007: I think that if you really want to know about "God's Law" and you are a Christian, than you should consider looking at the life of Jesus and using it as an example instead of trying to follow every word of the Bible....if you did you'd be a very confused person. <<<


i agree w/ that.. im VERY glad i found more insight into this subject.. i already feel less guilt, shame & embarrasment.. Thanx wholeheartedly

 

[dollface007]

>>> Dollface007: I think that if you really want to know about "God's Law" and you are a Christian, than you should consider looking at the life of Jesus and using it as an example instead of trying to follow every word of the Bible....if you did you'd be a very confused person. <<<


i agree w/ that.. im VERY glad i found more insight into this subject.. i already feel less guilt, shame & embarrasment.. Thanx wholeheartedly

Please don't ever ever ever feel guilt, shame, or embarrasment over NOT hating another person or NOT hating yourself. I have found in my very short life that religion produces more questions than answers, and, therefore, you have to trust yourself to know how to live your life.
Best to you!
D

 

[PinkOrchid]

 

[Avery_Chisholm]

well I'll see when I CHECK OUT eh...

 

[isshogai7]

Please note that the Bible has been heavily edited to pursuit the wiew of supposed"christians" who really did try to pursuit their needs.Therefore it's difficult to tell what was "true" and what was not.Yet we did find some things really difficult to associate to what was supposed to be "The Message".The same thing is happened to the New Testament.If you read some studies about that,you will find some amazing things,especially about wiews about the church and the women too.About Paul,well,studies have confirmed that he wasn't such a good fellow,and that he did make his best to pursuit HIS own needs,more than the
word of Jesus.I've made some studies about it,and i've found that what they try to tell us and what did happen are two completely different things.I'm baptized,i don't want to start a war here,but if you read the New Testament(even the common version) and take a look at what any-spposedely-christian church is doing,you will scratch your head,to say the least.

Too many people try to describe God the way they look at Him,and ,often ,is a very limited descritption.


About the guilt feeling,that's something than has been the base
of too many problems.Guilt is something that doesn't exist in nature,just a man's concept that has been induced along with mother' milk.

Lustuncutcock,if that' s your problem,be aware that is something that you may feel,but it's not necessarily the truth.Being aware of his own feelings about things-especilly guilt and shame-is the first step to get rid of them.
Personally,i think that as long as you don't hurt or abuse anyone else,phisically or psychically,there's nothing wrong with what you want to do-in all areas.

Good luck to You!

 

[LustUncutCock]

Thank you much for the last few replies.. thanx for helping w/ my issue