Global Warming Again (Probably Political... go figure!)

[Selena_Kitt]

Just saw this video.

(Love this guy. I so would have gotten an A in science if he was my teacher!)

His argument is mine, too... makes total sense to me.

You?

 

[neonlyte]

Nice for the converts, Selena - don't think it will move Ami

 

[rgraham666]

Nice for the converts, Selena - don't think it will move Ami

Dynamite couldn't move his opinion.

 

[neonlyte]

Dynamite couldn't move his opinion.

No... you're right... but I'm working on a wind machine driven by hot air.

 

[rgraham666]

No... you're right... but I'm working on a wind machine driven by hot air.

A limitless source of power.

 

[Selena_Kitt]

No... you're right... but I'm working on a wind machine driven by hot air.

*chuckle*

 

[DesertPirate]

A limitless source of power.

If set anywhere near the Capitol

 

[Oblimo]

All I know is that the past 2-3 years have been balmy enough to make wine from vinyards in Canada palatable.

That scares the bejeezus outa me.

 

[trysail]

Verification of IPCC forecasts:

http://blogs.woodtv.com/?p=3080http://icecap.us/images/uploads/IPCC_VERIF.jpg

 

[trysail]

Facts and Myths:
http://icecap.us/index.php/go/faqs-and-myths

 

[Oblimo]

Trysail,

If you write a good natured, funny post about global warming, I'll read the links in it. Deal?

 

[Selena_Kitt]

Trysail,

If you write a good natured, funny post about global warming, I'll read the links in it. Deal?

LOL

Even if Trysail's railing about it all being "not true" turns out to be the case... I love this guy's argument (above)... isn't it better to be safe than sorry??

Just a thought...

 

[rgraham666]

Being a bearer of The Truth means never having to say you're sorry.

 

[neonlyte]

Trysail,

If you write a good natured, funny post about global warming, I'll read the links in it. Deal?

Skeptics keep the right... Righteous

I have no qualms with the long term temperature fluctuations. it was a different world back a millennium or so, settlements were smaller, construction was different, populations were smaller. In fact, it is reassuring to know the Earths' temperature has been averagely higher, and lower, as we as a species survived those changes. I'm sure we will survive this change, if it materialises, but with the potential for massive suffering. The suffering might be mitigated by taking action to curb the emission of gases thought to be involved in the warming process. If it's wrong move, then it's a 'clean up act', everyone gains; at the very least, the new industries/technologies involved in reducing pollution are beneficial to the economic cycle. I can't see the beef.

 

[rgraham666]

Skeptics keep the right... Righteous

I have no qualms with the long term temperature fluctuations. it was a different world back a millennium or so, settlements were smaller, construction was different, populations were smaller. In fact, it is reassuring to know the Earths' temperature has been averagely higher, and lower, as we as a species survived those changes. I'm sure we will survive this change, if it materialises, but with the potential for massive suffering. The suffering might be mitigated by taking action to curb the emission of gases thought to be involved in the warming process. If it's wrong move, then it's a 'clean up act', everyone gains; at the very least, the new industries/technologies involved in reducing pollution are beneficial to the economic cycle. I can't see the beef.

The beef is that such a change may reduce the power and wealth of the United States. The detractors of global warming would rather the planet dies than the U.S. lose its preeminent place in the world.

Even though it has pretty much lost that preeminence.

 

[Weird Harold]

Being a bearer of The Truth means never having to say you're sorry.

True, but it often means having to say, "why are you tying me to this post? What's all the fire wood for? and what are you doing with that torch?"

 

[neonlyte]

The beef is that such a change may reduce the power and wealth of the United States. The detractors of global warming would rather the planet dies than the U.S. lose its preeminent place in the world.

Even though it has pretty much lost that preeminence.

Yeh... I get that. The US has taken such a laisse-faire attitude to pollution that their clean up investment will be massive, reducing the scope, scale and timing of the clean up is their best hope of minimising the cost. Getting emerging countries to be 'clean' from the outset allows the US to delay their own effort, though I must say, records show the US use of pollutants materials is falling, and will likely to have shown an increased fall in 2007 due to the self-inflicted credit squeeze.

 

[Roxanne Appleby]

Don't make me have to come down there!

(Sorry Selena, I probably don't have time to look at your video until tomorrow evening. It's very possible that I will perceive gaps and inconsistencies, but will withhold judgement.)

 

[Katyusha]

Okay I have to ask those from other countries a question: Is the U.S. REALLY the only first-world country out there that's still debating whether or not global warming is man-made, or at least man-exacerbated?

 

[SlickTony]

All I know is that the past 2-3 years have been balmy enough to make wine from vinyards in Canada palatable.

That scares the bejeezus outa me.

Not to mention the fact that last winter I had to treat my cats for fleas because it never got cold enough for the fleas to go dormant.

Come to think of it, it hasn't gotten especially cold this winter, either.

 

[rgraham666]

Okay I have to ask those from other countries a question: Is the U.S. REALLY the only first-world country out there that's still debating whether or not global warming is man-made, or at least man-exacerbated?

No, Canada still debates it. I can't say about the rest of the First World though.

In both the U.S. and Canada there would be little debate except for the fact that the people who deny the effects of man on the environment are disproportionately powerful. They tend to be at the upper end of the socio-economic scale. So they have more access to media and the legislatures than the people who want to do something about pollution.

Plus they believe, like Roxanne, believe they have a lot to lose if things change. So they're fighting harder than the other side.

 

[neonlyte]

Okay I have to ask those from other countries a question: Is the U.S. REALLY the only first-world country out there that's still debating whether or not global warming is man-made, or at least man-exacerbated?

The US conceded that stance at the UN Global Warming Conference in Doha (?) before Christmas. They were rather pushed into it when Al Gore gave a speech saying he was ashamed of his country and its response to Global Warming.

 

[rgraham666]

The US conceded that stance at the UN Global Warming Conference in Doha (?) before Christmas. They were rather pushed into it when Al Gore gave a speech saying he was ashamed of his country and its response to Global Warming.

I'll bet that made the people guarding him grimace in frustration.

"Will you keep your mouth shut!" they thought. "There's already enough people that want you dead."

 

[trysail]

Not to mention the fact that last winter I had to treat my cats for fleas because it never got cold enough for the fleas to go dormant.

Come to think of it, it hasn't gotten especially cold this winter, either.

First snow for 100 years falls on Baghdad

BAGHDAD (AFP) — Light snow fell in Baghdad early on Friday in what weather officials said was the first time in about a 100 years.

Rare snowfalls were also recorded in the west and centre of Iraq, plunging temperatures to zero degrees Centigrade (32 degrees Fahrenheit) and even colder, an official said.

The snow in Baghdad, which melted as it hit the ground, began falling before dawn and continued until after 9 am, residents said.

"Snow has fallen in Baghdad for the first time in about a century as a result of two air flows meeting," said a statement by the meteorology department.

"The first one was cold and dry and the second one was warm and humid. They met above Iraq."

The director of the meteorology department, Dawood Shakir, told AFP that climate change was possibly to blame for the unusual event.

"It's very rare," he said. "Baghdad has never seen snow falling in living memory.

"These snowfalls are linked to the climate change that is happening everywhere. We are finding some places in the world which are warm and are supposed to be cold."

Snow was also reported in the mountainous Kurdish north of the country, where falls are common.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

First snow for 100 years falls on Baghdad

BAGHDAD (AFP) — Light snow fell in Baghdad early on Friday in what weather officials said was the first time in about a 100 years.

Rare snowfalls were also recorded in the west and centre of Iraq, plunging temperatures to zero degrees Centigrade (32 degrees Fahrenheit) and even colder, an official said.

The snow in Baghdad, which melted as it hit the ground, began falling before dawn and continued until after 9 am, residents said.

"Snow has fallen in Baghdad for the first time in about a century as a result of two air flows meeting," said a statement by the meteorology department.

"The first one was cold and dry and the second one was warm and humid. They met above Iraq."

The director of the meteorology department, Dawood Shakir, told AFP that climate change was possibly to blame for the unusual event.

"It's very rare," he said. "Baghdad has never seen snow falling in living memory.

"These snowfalls are linked to the climate change that is happening everywhere. We are finding some places in the world which are warm and are supposed to be cold."

Snow was also reported in the mountainous Kurdish north of the country, where falls are common.

Well they will say....

"you have to expect freak changes like this with global warming."

or

"with change of global temperature comes bad weather in place you wouldn't expect it."

or

a million other excuses just to be able to distribute the wealth of those that have to those who don't.

JMHO.