Give it up, RWs

[pecksniff]

Here's the thing: You can't win. Your time is past. Just accept it. RWs cannot secede from our society, and cannot rule it. The RW vote share -- already a definite minority -- will continue to decline a bit with every election cycle from now on because of generational demographics -- the Millennials and Zoomers have no use for your kind of politics, and never will, not even when they're middle-aged and paying mortgages. More and more states will flip from red to purple to blue, and likewise, eventually, with even the reddest rural counties within them. Everything you see the GOP doing to stop the process, all the voter suppression and gerrymandering and institutional burrowing in the courts and civil service, all the setting up of RW media outlets and think-tanks and astroturf organizations, the whole of post-1964 organized movement conservatism, is a hopeless rear-guard action, doomed to fail in the long run.

The GOP as a party might survive and even sometimes win -- but only by becoming significantly less RW. Culturally, at least. There might be a future for a moderate economic libertarianism -- but only if divorced from social conservatism, the latter being a thing with no long-term hope of survival.

 

[CornusKousa]

Ya'll been saying that for centuries.

Yet here we still are.

 

[pecksniff]

Ya'll been saying that for centuries.

Yet here we still are.

Haven't you noticed how different the political landscape is after those centuries? And not in any way the RW would have wanted. Over the general sweep of history, any victory they win -- as in 1815 or 1848 -- is eventually reversed. Always they're trying to fight an orderly retreat, but they never gain ground. (Remember, we're talking about a time-scale on which "RW" does not mean your classical liberalism, it means monarchism and toryism.)

 

[CornusKousa]

Haven't you noticed how different the political landscape is after those centuries?

Of course, I also noticed how very little has actually changed.

 

[pecksniff]

Of course, I also noticed how very little has actually changed.

I'm not suggesting the LW is bound for victory. Though the voters increasingly trend that way, it is very unlikely under present political institutions. See How The United States Ended Up With Two Right-Wing Parties.

 

[pecksniff]

Here's the thing: You can't win. Your time is past. Just accept it. RWs cannot secede from our society, and cannot rule it. The RW vote share -- already a definite minority -- will continue to decline a bit with every election cycle from now on because of generational demographics -- the Millennials and Zoomers have no use for your kind of politics, and never will, not even when they're middle-aged and paying mortgages. More and more states will flip from red to purple to blue, and likewise, eventually, with even the reddest rural counties within them. Everything you see the GOP doing to stop the process, all the voter suppression and gerrymandering and institutional burrowing in the courts and civil service, all the setting up of RW media outlets and think-tanks and astroturf organizations, the whole of post-1964 organized movement conservatism, is a hopeless rear-guard action, doomed to fail in the long run.

The GOP as a party might survive and even sometimes win -- but only by becoming significantly less RW. Culturally, at least. There might be a future for a moderate economic libertarianism -- but only if divorced from social conservatism, the latter being a thing with no long-term hope of survival.

I note that nobody has actually contradicted any of this.

 

[Cubantripod]

Conservatism is a natural progression as you age and have more responsibility. Especially when you have kids and a mortgage. We can argue back and forth until we're blue in the face, but perception is reality. As the average Joe gets older, he sees more money leaving his check, the left pushing for more safety nets and fewer people working. That will always make many people go conservative.

 

[pecksniff]

Conservatism is a natural progression as you age and have more responsibility. Especially when you have kids and a mortgage. We can argue back and forth until we're blue in the face, but perception is reality. As the average Joe gets older, he sees more money leaving his check, the left pushing for more safety nets and fewer people working. That will always make many people go conservative.

Actually, people grow more liberal as they age. The Millennials and Zoomers are never going to go over to your side.

 

[RoryN]

Conservatism is a natural progression as you age and have more responsibility.

This was true in America for the decades where getting older meant managing responsibilities related to amassing assets - like savings and property - and potentially passing some on, in addition to providing oneself a comfortable retirement.

Yeaaaaaah, that era is over - and the logic in the rest of your post is backwards too.

 

[KeithD]

I note that nobody has actually contradicted any of this.

Of course not. The Trumpers know it's true because it's exactly what they have been scheming against for a couple of decades without being able to hold it back--the inevitable browning of North America (along with the rest of the world). The Trumpers are already in the minority and it's getting worse and worse for them no matter what underhanded and vile remedy they come up with.

What's really tragic is that the board Trumpettes have had to retreat to crapping on a porn story site discussion board D). Can't have to retreat much lower than that.

 

[Cubantripod]

Actually, people grow more liberal as they age. The Millennials and Zoomers are never going to go over to your side.

Are you trolling tonight? You make no sense trying to make statements like that.

 

[Cubantripod]

Of course not. The Trumpers know it's true because it's exactly what they have been scheming against for a couple of decades without being able to hold it back--the inevitable browning of North America (along with the rest of the world). The Trumpers are already in the minority and it's getting worse and worse for them no matter what underhanded and vile remedy they come up with.

What's really tragic is that the board Trumpettes have had to retreat to crapping on a porn story site discussion board D). Can't have to retreat much lower than that.

You truly need help and I hope you get it.

 

[CornusKousa]

I'm not suggesting the LW is bound for victory. Though the voters increasingly trend that way, it is very unlikely under present political institutions. See How The United States Ended Up With Two Right-Wing Parties.

That's exactly what your thread is suggesting.

Why must you lie about something so blatant and obvious???

I note that nobody has actually contradicted any of this.

Already done.

The RW's existence despite centuries of you lefties making the claim our days are numbered is proof you're full of shit.

Actually, people grow more liberal as they age. The Millennials and Zoomers are never going to go over to your side.

Liberal.... if that's true than the DNC is in trouble.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

GOP picked up House seats in 2020 and is the oddsmakers favorite to take control in 2022. Meanwhile the $3.5 trillion package the left dreamed of has been shrinking faster than Biden’s plummeting approval ratings.

 

[pecksniff]

That's exactly what your thread is suggesting.

No -- just because the RW loses doesn't mean the LW wins. The spectrum is much broader than that. I foresee the Democrats showing just a bit more vote-strength with each cycle, but LW they are not.

 

[CornusKousa]

No -- just because the RW loses doesn't mean the LW wins.

Of course it does. There is no other option.

The spectrum is much broader than that.

It's really not.

I foresee the Democrats showing just a bit more vote-strength with each cycle, but LW they are not.

Definitively they are.

Your willful ignorance notwithstanding of course.

 

[YDB95]

GOP picked up House seats in 2020 and is the oddsmakers favorite to take control in 2022.

Which would be the case regardless, because the president's party almost always loses seats in a midterm election.

Meanwhile the $3.5 trillion package the left dreamed of has been shrinking faster than Biden’s plummeting approval ratings.

Wrong.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Which would be the case regardless, because the president's party almost always loses seats in a midterm election.



Wrong.

Ha ha. RW’s should give up because their gains in Congress are inevitable. Love it! And if you think $3.5 trillion in lefties wet dreams is still in play, check out what Congresswoman Cortez, the darling of the left, had to say about that.

 

[RoryN]

The Deplorable desperation in this thread smells like roses.

 

[pecksniff]

Liberal.... if that's true than the DNC is in trouble.

The study was not using "liberal" in the sense you do.

 

[pecksniff]

Of course it does. There is no other option.



It's really not.



Definitively they are.

Your willful ignorance notwithstanding of course.

Are you really that oblivious to the existence of a broad political center?

 

[Cubantripod]

The Deplorable desperation in this thread smells like roses.

We really do have a mental health crisis in this country.

 

[CornusKousa]

Are you really that oblivious to the existence of a broad political center?

No, I just understand that despite their various differences they are still left or right.

Like Democrats, might not be left enough for you, but they are in fact leftist.

 

[pecksniff]

No, I just understand that despite their various differences they are still left or right.

Like Democrats, might not be left enough for you, but they are in fact leftist.

America is full of politically engaged voters who cannot reasonably be classified as left or right.

 

[BluesDriver66]

Right wingers are running on fear. Fear of minorities mostly. Nobody believes if we just give more tax cuts to rich people and deregulate corporations jobs will magically appear. Those Reagan fantasy days are long gone.

Republicans only gain ground when Democrats fail to deliver on jobs, health care, housing, etc. and field unlikable and repulsive candidates like Hillary Clinton.