George Romney born in Mexico?
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George Wilcken Romney (July 8, 1907 – July 26, 1995) was a Mexican-born American businessman and Republican Party politician.
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He was a strong contender for the Rep. nomination in 1964 and another year. I wonder why nobody called him on it.
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He was a strong contender for the Rep. nomination in 1964 and another year. I wonder why nobody called him on it.
Here's a page on citizenship from the US Citizenship and Immigration Services site.
According to the Wiki article, George Romney was born to American parents who lived in Mexico, so his citizenship is/was not in question.
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I believe there actually was a law passed - known as the Romney law - certifying that people of his circumstance were eligible for the presidency. He was a solid contender for the GOP nomination in 1968, until he said something about having been "brainwashed" into supporting the war in Vietnam. Like father like son, I guess.
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Well, this is from Article II, Section 2 of the Constitution:
So I'd think he'd have qualified under that without needing any certification. I just googled "Romney Law" and "Romney law citizenship" and found nothing to indicate such a law or certification was done, at least not under that name.
What I learned way back when was that the US follows both the law of the land and the law of the blood. I.e., if you are born on American soil, you are an American citizen even if your parents are not; if you are born abroad and at least one parent is a US citizen, then you are a US citizen (although papers have to be filed with the consulate to ensure the birth certificate, etc.). John McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone, to US-citizen parents, so he is a US citizen as well (for example).
I realize this is the subject of debate, but at the moment, it appears, this is the law we follow.
So I'd think he'd have qualified under that without needing any certification. I just googled "Romney Law" and "Romney law citizenship" and found nothing to indicate such a law or certification was done, at least not under that name.
What I learned way back when was that the US follows both the law of the land and the law of the blood. I.e., if you are born on American soil, you are an American citizen even if your parents are not; if you are born abroad and at least one parent is a US citizen, then you are a US citizen (although papers have to be filed with the consulate to ensure the birth certificate, etc.). John McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone, to US-citizen parents, so he is a US citizen as well (for example).
I realize this is the subject of debate, but at the moment, it appears, this is the law we follow.
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He was a strong contender for the Rep. nomination in 1964 and another year. I wonder why nobody called him on it.
Because he was white?
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I gather from the little I read that there was some controversy at the time, but it was put to rest. However, I have to go with LM on this -- I think this has a lot to do with race. For some people, it may just be knee-jerk dislike of a Democrat, but for others, it's race.
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Romney's parents were residents of Mexico, and had been for a long time before his birth. They returned to the US to escape the Mexican Revolution, and lived in various places. I am aware that offspring of American citizens travelong abroad are considered American citizens, but I think the case of Romney would have been a bit different. Of course, it's a moot point now but, if he had won the nomination in 1964 or 1968, the Dems would have made a great fuss.
The only challenge I know of was Barry Goldwater, who was born in Arizona Territory, but the complainer was a lawyer who was a publicity hound, and I'm sure he knew his objection was bogus.
When McCain was born, the Panama Canal Zone was US territory, and nobody said anything about that, since he was clearly eligible to become president.
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Also a citizen if born in a US army base.
I had a teacher who was born in Vietnam.
Not sure if you could potentially have an american citizen if you snuck into a US army base to drop your litter.
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Yes -- when my mom was pregnant with me, my dad was in the Air Force and stationed in Greece. As I understand it, the original plan was for Mom to go to Turkey around her due date and have me at the base there and I would have been a US Citizen, no doubt. Plans changed a bit, if I recall, and she decided she'd have me in Greece instead, and I think that would have given me dual citizenship but I'm not sure. Anyway, moot point as they were back in the US when I was born.
No, I'm not sure about that last one either.
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I know we can hold dual citizenship with Australia but I'm not sure what other countries that applies to.
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Me neither. So I might have been wrong about being born in Greece giving me Greek citizenship as well. It's just what I heard over the years and since it didn't happen, I can't say I was too compelled to find out.
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I wonder what the ruling would be if a woman sneaked onto the grounds of a US embassy in some foreign country and gave birth there. The embassy land is considered to be part of the United States.
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And I wonder if things would have went better if your mother haqn't dropped you on your head at birth.
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I wonder what the ruling would be if a woman sneaked onto the grounds of a US embassy in some foreign country and gave birth their. The embassy land is considered to be part of the United States.
So their is a typo, but what's wrong with sneaked? It's the past tense of sneak. There is no such word as snuck although some sloppy writers use it.
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I wonder what the ruling would be if a woman sneaked onto the grounds of a US embassy in some foreign country and gave birth their. The embassy land is considered to be part of the United States.
And I wonder if things would have went better if your mother haqn't dropped you on your head at birth.
So their is a typo, but what's wrong with sneaked?
It's the past tense of sneak. There is no such word as snuck although some sloppy writers use it.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Boxlicker101
I wonder what the ruling would be if a woman sneaked onto the grounds of a US embassy in some foreign country and gave birth their. The embassy land is considered to be part of the United States.
So their is a typo, but what's wrong with sneaked?
My point exactly.
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