Gender Bending

[Homburg]

Why are we still discussing your hairy ass?

.....

Because my ass is so damned awesome that we can't help but talk about.

 

[DeservingBitch]

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Because my ass is so damned awesome that we can't help but talk about.

I'm afraid I'll have to see proof of that in order to agree with you.

 

[DeservingBitch]

Interesting reading from a SM feminist blog:

Sex, Lies, Transmisogyny and the Heteronormativity of BDSM
Part I and Part II

 

[Homburg]

I'm afraid I'll have to see proof of that in order to agree with you.

Hey, I can provide references. Character witnesses even. My ass is so great it has character. Who needs proof when you have anecdotal evidence? I should get a job in the CIA...

 

[DeservingBitch]

Hey, I can provide references. Character witnesses even. My ass is so great it has character. Who needs proof when you have anecdotal evidence? I should get a job in the CIA...

Nah - won't do. I need visual proof.

 

[Homburg]

Interesting reading from a SM feminist blog:

Sex, Lies, Transmisogyny and the Heteronormativity of BDSM
Part I and Part II

"The other problem with this is that it conflates our desire to live our lives with political goals."

I this line, and the rest of the paragraph following it.

Good read, thank you for passing it on.

And I'd never seen the cis- terminology before. Very tidy suffix, and absent the sort of 'normative' connotations of other terms I've seen. I'm a bit leery of neologisms, but this is one that I can certainly grok.

 

[Homburg]

Nah - won't do. I need visual proof.

You are asking for pictures of my wide ass. That hurts my brain. You're probably making the request solely for that purpose. Evil.

I completely respect that, of course.

 

[unfoundiamond]

*raises one eyebrow*

I thought this was a pair of panties suposed to go from deserving to someone, and hom... was wearing them too, I don't know... LoL,

*thinking about traveling panties*

Now what's up with every mans hairy ass?
My bf is a member of the hairy ass club too...
*glad I am a woman on this one...*

There's butt waxing gentleman, and butt facials... lol hahahahaha
*glad she just does hair on the head*

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

HUMBUG

It seems UNFOUNDDIAMOND is expressing her empathy for your hairy ass. She knows what its like.

 

[unfoundiamond]

ooooh, you're a real piece of...

jbj,

I don't know who you are talking to, you're a man and have a hairy ass too,

Now, it only you'd say something worthwhile...

 

[DeservingBitch]

"The other problem with this is that it conflates our desire to live our lives with political goals."

I this line, and the rest of the paragraph following it.

Same here.

Good read, thank you for passing it on.

And I'd never seen the cis- terminology before. Very tidy suffix, and absent the sort of 'normative' connotations of other terms I've seen. I'm a bit leery of neologisms, but this is one that I can certainly grok.

You're welcome. And yes, the cis-terminology is meant exactly as a way to avoid normative and/or binary terms (such a 'biological' men/women, or non-trans, which are all problematic for various reasons).

As for neologisms -- it certainly depends on which one we're talking about, but I tend to appreciate and use those that marginalized groups use to self-identify and/or talk about their realities.

 

[DeservingBitch]

You are asking for pictures of my wide ass. That hurts my brain. You're probably making the request solely for that purpose. Evil.

I completely respect that, of course.

No no no. I am NOT asking for pics of your wide hairy ass. I am only saying that unless you can provide visual proof of the awesomeness of your ass, I'll remain skeptical.

See, I can agree that Shank's ass is cute, especially in panties.

I certainly feel comfortable making the claim that I'm sporting a rather nice ass myself, and pics are around to prove it.

You, however, have provided us with nothing to verify your claim re: the awesomeness of your hairy wide ass. Until such proof are given, it's only your words...

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

UNFOUNDDIAMOND

I'm reading a book about political speech and thought of you.

Maybe youre correct. Maybe I need to get in touch with my feminine side.

So when I campaign for President I'm gonna seek out women, stand before them, and tell them I KNOW WHAT IT's LIKE FOR AMERICAN WOMEN.

The book's author advises against it. It tends to piss women off.

 

[Homburg]

No no no. I am NOT asking for pics of your wide hairy ass. I am only saying that unless you can provide visual proof of the awesomeness of your ass, I'll remain skeptical.

Thank you. You have reinforced my faith in your taste. Skepticism is a good thing.

You, however, have provided us with nothing to verify your claim re: the awesomeness of your hairy wide ass. Until such proof are given, it's only your words...

Weeeelll, I honestly couldn't figure out any other valid reason for the recent spate of my-ass-centric posts, so I figured, hey, my ass is getting due recognition *shrug*

Your in-box remains safe from pictures of my bum. For now...
*ominous music*

 

[Shankara20]

There's butt waxing gentleman

there was a time when I shaved mine, that was back when I was shaving my legs - butt those days are gone


oh, and when those panties arrive here at me place, don't expect them to be leaving any time soon

 

[Shankara20]

See, it is a confusion of interests and fetishes there. Shanks has a fetish for the object in question, whereas panty removal for me would occur simply because I am more interested in seeing you go commando

yes
yes
I do believe you are correct

and I embrace my fetishes

 

[Shankara20]

See, I can agree that Shank's ass is cute, especially in panties.

well, who doesn't think my ass is cute?

hold it - never mind - I don't want to know

I'm too fragile right how to handle the rejection.

 

[Homburg]

You're welcome. And yes, the cis-terminology is meant exactly as a way to avoid normative and/or binary terms (such a 'biological' men/women, or non-trans, which are all problematic for various reasons).

As for neologisms -- it certainly depends on which one we're talking about, but I tend to appreciate and use those that marginalized groups use to self-identify and/or talk about their realities.

Well, coming from a philosophy background, let's face it, neologism isn't just a term to describe a newly created word, it's an -ism just like fascism, communism, etc, and can be just as oppressive =P

Eeeeevry once in a while, something decidedly cool comes along like the cis- prefix. (and I can't believe I said 'suffix' earlier. I have shamed myself before you. *cries*)

 

[Homburg]

yes
yes
I do believe you are correct

and I embrace my fetishes

I do as well. And, moreover, I enjoy having my fetish embrace others.

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well, who doesn't think my ass is cute?

hold it - never mind - I don't want to know

I'm too fragile right how to handle the rejection.

I would never call your ass cute. I'm on a personal crusade to remove that word as a worthwhile descriptor of anything male and at double digit in age.

That is not, however, a judgement on your ass. A more poetic, and less het, man than myself would surely pen odes to your hind-parts, my good fellow.

 

[intothewoods]

Interesting reading from a SM feminist blog:

Sex, Lies, Transmisogyny and the Heteronormativity of BDSM
Part I and Part II

I'm about to go to sleep, but I can't wait to read that blog, and the ones linked. Some of it looks a little too gender studies buzz wordy to me, but that's ok. Frankly, it piques my interest more than SuperSlave69 Ode to Master Blog dot com.

 

[DeservingBitch]

I would never call your ass cute. I'm on a personal crusade to remove that word as a worthwhile descriptor of anything male and at double digit in age.

You're hilarious -- I love the irony of posting such a heteronormative comment in a thread on 'gender bending'.

 

[DeservingBitch]

well, who doesn't think my ass is cute?

People with confused aesthetics?

 

[Homburg]

You're hilarious -- I love the irony of posting such a heteronormative comment in a thread on 'gender bending'.

*bows* Thank you, milady.

And I would hope that it is recognised as intentional irony given that I have personally described your new boy as cute.

 

[Netzach]

Interesting reading from a SM feminist blog:

Sex, Lies, Transmisogyny and the Heteronormativity of BDSM
Part I and Part II

I got about three sentences in and thought to myself "she's rebutting a white chick, I'm certain."

The "we don't have enough political agency to be the oppressor" is a very bourgeois white chick stance, just cut and paste onto SM/Trans/Working Class and you have the exact same stuff. If you can't look at Clinton (H) and not get this, you really are living in some kind of Ms. Magazine influenced bubble.

One of my favorite ivory tower feminst moments was being in a "how are you oppressed how are you the oppressor" blah blah workshop. One of the participants was a black lesbian of larger size - everyone kind of stared off uncomfortably as the "how are you an oppressor" part came up. She pointed out that she's right-handed and able bodied.

Good points. If she can own HER stuff, we can all own our stuff.


And now a small issue with the SM community --
FWIW, though, I do support the notion of woman-only space INCLUSIVE of MTF transpeople and EXCLUSIVE of FTM (if you have changed pronouns, then you should not be here) -- the problem is that FTM's are not accepted more than very very marginally if at all in men-only (play) space. But you know what, it's time for us all as a community to grow a pair and address this, instead of women-only dungeons and playspaces being the safe and happy womb to the SM world's trans boys, which is something I think we're comfortable with. I find that this notion that we're more accepting of FTM than MTF as part of same-sex social scene part of our hangups about origin versus destination gender.

Not that I spend most of my time in women only spaces, though I would spend more if I thought transwomen weren't getting the short end of the stick and if I thought FTM's weren't stuck in a political clusterfuck that prevents them from eventually gliding into the male ID they should be able to claim.

Don't get me wrong - I looooove FTM boys, bio men, the whole spectrum of male whoosits. I just think it's OK to say "this is a woman only space" and expect people who live as a woman every day and are *down with* that and want to be doing it, to be the people in it, playing, fucking, commiserating, whatever you want to do with it. And I think there should be a space for people who have male levels of T, applied or born into it, to hang and beat on one another and fuck and stuff too.

There's nothing about having a space for a weekend a year that excludes boys and bois boyz etc. that says "fuck off we don't like you, die" it just says 'we're doing something relevant to us for a minute." I mean, seriously, you don't see me showing up at the back room of the Eagle on a non-mixed night whining to the bouncer that no, really, I *feel* like a gay man, I should have in. But if I had facial hair and had changed my name to Mr-Netzach-to-you whether I'd had bottom surgery or not should not matter so much either, I think. I certainly would think the Eagle more the right spot for me than the MWMF at that point.

 

[Etoile]

HUMBUG

It seems UNFOUNDDIAMOND is expressing her empathy for your hairy ass. She knows what its like.

So what grade did you get up to in your education, kind sir?