NBC released a poll today in which Hillary has a one point lead over Trump when Johnson and Stein are included as options. I think things will get very interesting before this election is over.
NBC released a poll today in which Hillary has a one point lead over Trump when Johnson and Stein are included as options. I think things will get very interesting before this election is over.
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As I just posted in the other thread, June polling should be taken with a grain of salt; a lot of people will be paying no attention until after Labor Day...
As I just posted in the other thread, June polling should be taken with a grain of salt; a lot of people will be paying no attention until after Labor Day...
You're preaching to the choir, but it is interesting that Johnson and Stein are getting at least some interest. Enough interest to make a significant difference in the presidential stakes, even now, when people are given a choice other than D or R. They would get even more if they could get on TV more, which is the last thing TV execs want, of course. Even so, they cut Hillary's lead in the NBC poll from five points to one, which is worth noting.
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I plan on voting for Johnson, the big dweeb...
I'll never vote for Hillary and I doubt that I could ever vote for The Donald.
But, hey, as I have said before, I don't live in a swing state, so what I do as an individual matters very little at all except on the local level.
I'll never vote for Hillary and I doubt that I could ever vote for The Donald.
But, hey, as I have said before, I don't live in a swing state, so what I do as an individual matters very little at all except on the local level.
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Are there any women that want Johnson? 
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*chuckle*
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"When someone tells you that you're wasting your vote, recognize that they don't care about you. It's a selfish statement. They are saying that your beliefs shouldn't be represented. That you should silence your voice so that theirs can be louder. Vote your conscience, not someone else's politics."
"When someone tells you that you're wasting your vote, recognize that they don't care about you. It's a selfish statement. They are saying that your beliefs shouldn't be represented. That you should silence your voice so that theirs can be louder. Vote your conscience, not someone else's politics."
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For what it's worth someone, I know, with frequent access to Bill Weld informs he's never come across a worse alcoholic. As much as Johnson appeals in this election the bulbous nose VP choice is a turn off.
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Almost every election the American public votes either D or R about 97-98% of the time. Time after time after time. It would be funny if it weren't so sad.
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This Johnson is on the rise!
Oh come on, I couldn't help myself! He's at 12%. If he gets to 15% he'll get an invite to the debate. Also, he won't steal just from the disenfranchised GOP. Some libs are pissed that Sanders supports the felon! This could get very interesting.
If he manages to get in the debates it will. Both the Democrats and Republicans will do everything they can to keep him out, along with Jill Stein. They like things the way they are, where one of them is a guaranteed winner, and they can take turns with each other.
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His support will probably go down after the conventions.
When the two major-league teams get into it, they suck up the entire attention of the media and not many people take in Reason.com...
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not so fast...
the cleveland train wreck is not over quite yet...
and the filly in philly has yet to make the convention pitch...
the post mortem on the trumpapolooza won't be so kind,
(gauge the 'bump')
next week will be its own ugly fest...
the third party-ites may still well be the harbor of conscientious reason
in the face of the inevitable(s)
15% and a seat at the debates is not such a difficult hurdle this time around
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Look, I'm voting for Gary BIG Johnson, but viewed from the outside, most people see the Libertarian Party/Movement as only two things, isolationism and legal pot.
(As such, I think he's reached his ceiling.)
They have no idea as to its economic polity and that is the core of what the Party is all about. I haven't read much from BIG Johnson, but I don't think he's all that grounded in economics and thus might be a little leas than solid on actual individual liberty.
(As such, I think he's reached his ceiling.)
They have no idea as to its economic polity and that is the core of what the Party is all about. I haven't read much from BIG Johnson, but I don't think he's all that grounded in economics and thus might be a little leas than solid on actual individual liberty.
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I'll admit I don't know what all his policies are, but I still view him as better than the scociopath and the felon.
Trump's economic policy is to pay himself an exhorbitant salary, run the company into the ground and then declare bankruptcy.
From a foreign relations point of view, isolationism would be far better than how Hilary handles things or "I'll nuke your ass!"
Trump's economic policy is to pay himself an exhorbitant salary, run the company into the ground and then declare bankruptcy.
From a foreign relations point of view, isolationism would be far better than how Hilary handles things or "I'll nuke your ass!"
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He is a candidate who has views that make sense. The government should be minimal. Don't take away my social rights. And don't spend all my tax money on stupid shit and people who don't want to help themselves and government programs that are a waste.
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That's why he will never (nor will any Libertarian) be elected in an ossified oligarchical social welfare state.
This is why I have been saying for years...
The Libertarian motto:
We have nothing to offer but less,
AND MORE OF IT!
This is why I have been saying for years...
The Libertarian motto:
We have nothing to offer but less,
AND MORE OF IT!
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What I'm curious about is why the pollsters decided to start including Johnson in their polls. Who knows -- maybe if they had been doing that all along, a previous Libertarian candidate might have hit double digits also.
My guess is that the support for Johnson, and a lesser extent for Stein, reflects that he's a stand-in right now for "none of the above," as neither Clinton nor Trump are very popular. I seriously doubt he'll draw anything close to his current numbers once November comes around, but if he gets into the debates things could get very unpredictable. A Libertarian candidate getting a vote in the high single digits could make certain blue states winnable for Trump (Maine, New Hampshire) and some red states winnable for Clinton (Arizona, Utah).
