FYW: Spay bad parents?

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[SeaCat]

I have heard this comment a time or three before. It always make me shake my head when I hear it. These people just don't want to understand that they would then have to live with what they want.

Who would chose who is a good or bad parent? What is the criterion? Would it be Social Status? (Well they belong to the wrong party so they must be bad parents and can't have kids.) Or would it be Financial Status? (Well they make under $30,000 a year so they can't be good parents.) Would they chose on Religious Standing? or would they chose by the color of their skin?

Yes there is always a time or two when we consider something like this and feel for a moment that it would be right, but then we reconsider.

Cat

 

[TheeGoatPig]

I have heard this comment a time or three before. It always make me shake my head when I hear it. These people just don't want to understand that they would then have to live with what they want.

Who would chose who is a good or bad parent? What is the criterion? Would it be Social Status? (Well they belong to the wrong party so they must be bad parents and can't have kids.) Or would it be Financial Status? (Well they make under $30,000 a year so they can't be good parents.) Would they chose on Religious Standing? or would they chose by the color of their skin?

Yes there is always a time or two when we consider something like this and feel for a moment that it would be right, but then we reconsider.

Cat

Not that I'm for it, but if I were...

I'd say criminal standings myself. If the child is involved in a criminal act of a certain degree, then the parrents are spayed. Say, a second degree felony or worse, just off the top of my head. If you like, save it for repeat offenders. The child commits three second degree felonies and the parrents are spayed.

 

[Trinique_Fire]

spay? no.

make everyone planning to have children go through parenting classes? YES. HELL YES.

 

[matriarch]

spay? no.

make everyone planning to have children go through parenting classes? YES. HELL YES.

Indeed.

I find myself repeatedly watching the 'Supernanny' programmes on TV, and other connotations of the same, where a family, usually the children, are so out of control, I'm stunned by the pictures of 3 and 4 year olds forcibly striking their parents, siblings, anyone, and using language even I wouldn't use. What eventually happens when the supernanny comes in to try and sort out the family, is that THE PARENTS are the ones with the problems, not the children.

Every single one of them I've watched has shown, in the end, that the parents don't have the slightest idea of how to parent, how to make these little human beings feel needed, wanted, important, how to help them to grow. The transformation, usually over a matter of weeks, is always absolutely astounding. The parents now know what they were doing wrong, and go out of their way to make it better. The result is happier parents, happier children. I won't say everything is perfect, but because of simple, basic training, the whole family is turned around, and the prospect of yet more bullying thugs in the classroom and on the streets has been averted.

Yep. I agree. Parenting classes. As an essential.

 

[rgraham666]

Parenting classes are a damned good idea.

One of the biggest problems, in my opinion, is the idea that 'everybody knows'. 'Everybody knows' how to be a parent, 'everybody knows' how to thrive in a work situation, 'everybody knows' how to get along with other people, etc. ad nauseam.

But people are born pretty much blank slates. They'll learn what they're exposed to and if exposed to the wrong things they learn the wrong lessons. This is something I know through bitter experience.

As to the spaying, I oppose this for the same reason I oppose all forms of capital punishment.

You can't fix mistakes, it won't be carried out fairly and it will be a political tool rather than a judicial one.

 

[oggbashan]

Even if spaying was a suitable and acceptable action, by the time the children are old enough to commit crimes spaying the parents would be too late. They have had the children already.

Training people to be parents is much more effective. However there are some feral families that no amount of training would change. I don't think any society has found a real solution for them.

Og

 

[Guest]

Agree with the parenting classes.

And I also take offense at the suggestions by Larry Shirley, Council Member. He isn't advocated ALL parents get fixed, just the females.

``We pick up stray animals and spay them,'' Larry Shirley said in a story published Saturday by The Post and Courier of Charleston. ``These mothers need to be spayed if they can't take care of theirs. Once they have a child and it's running the street, to let them continue to have children is totally unacceptable.''

What an ass.

 

[Ness73]

Like people have said previous - too late when the kids are breaking and entering. Parenting classes are a good idea, but if someone doesn't give a shit where their 10 year old is, they're not going to show up for classes. If the classes are taken when the child is born, it would cost a fortune to give those classes, and I'm not sure that it will make a difference in the long run.

As an aside - I think that parents that kill their children should be sterilised. We have had a woman here recently give birth to a drug addicted baby, booked into a hotel and "went to sleep" (read "got a fix") for 14 hours. When she woke up, her baby was dead. This woman has gone to jail for other offences and she is pregnant again and still a junkie. What's going to happen to this baby - should it get through withdrawl. I firmly believe that she has given up her right to have children.

 

[kbate]

Yes,

Of course we can trust the Government to know just who is capable of rearing children properly, and we can trust them to only include necessary parenting information in 'parenting classes' - leaving out all political propaganda.

In some manner or other, the human race has survived for about a million years without government sponsored neutering programs* and without mandatory parenting classes, we can probably survive forcing such on people today.


*the US did perform mandatory sterilisations of women in mental instutions - apparently it was OK for men to have sex with mentally retarded women, but not for it to result in a child.

 

[FallingToFly]

I've always thought that anyone, male or female, who produces a child and then refuses to care for it, should be sterilised. There are too many men out there with no idea how many children they've left running loose and no intention to pay for the child's support, and too many woman having babies and then using them as paychecks- either from multiple fathers or from the government.

There are a lot of government sponsored programs out there for single parents- child care, assistance, education. If you don't want to take advantage of it, fine, but I damn well want SOMEONE to cut you off before it's three, four, or ten children that the government is going to take part of my wages, that could be used to better support my children, to pay the rent that you're too lazy to work for.

 

[ChilledVodkaIV]

How many times...?

 

[CharleyH]

Posted without comment:

S.C. Official: Sterilize Bad Parents

CHARLESTON, S.C. (AP) - A City Council member, reacting to a video store holdup believed to have been carried out by children, says parents who can't properly care for their kids should be sterilized.

``We pick up stray animals and spay them,'' Larry Shirley said in a story published Saturday by The Post and Courier of Charleston. ``These mothers need to be spayed if they can't take care of theirs. Once they have a child and it's running the street, to let them continue to have children is totally unacceptable.''

Shirley's comments come after police say a video store was held up by a group of children, including a 14-year-old girl suspected of wielding a BB gun that looked like a pistol.

The holdup happened about 9 p.m. Wednesday at a Hollywood Video store. A 14-year-old girl and a 12-year-old boy were charged as juveniles with armed robbery. A 9-year-old boy was not charged because police said he was too young. He was released to his mother.

``What we've got is a failure in society, whether it's in Mount Pleasant with yuppie parents or whether it's on the East Side with poor crackhead parents,'' he said, referring to areas in and around Charleston.

State Sen. Robert Ford, a Charleston Democrat, agreed that the crime highlights a societal problem but dismissed Shirley's suggestion to sterilize people as ``crazy.''

``What Larry Shirley needs to talk about is getting City Council to provide some recreational facilities and activities for these kids and creating an atmosphere conducive to a normal society,'' said Ford, also a former councilman.

LOL - I have a lot to say about this but need to stop laughing first. LOL

 

[Trinique_Fire]

A teacher I had in high school felt very strongly that birth control should be put in the water and if you wanted to have children you should have to go through massive amounts of testing and classes...if you fucked up your parenting, then your children were taken away.

She liked this birth control in the water idea.

Psychotic. What do you think?

 

[rgraham666]

I think I'd only drink beer in such a case.

 

[Liar]

I think we should spRay bad parents. Y'know, go grafitti on their asses, or something.

 

[_geisha_]

Posted without comment:

S.C. Official: Sterilize Bad Parents

CHARLESTON, S.C. (AP) - A City Council member, reacting to a video store holdup believed to have been carried out by children, says parents who can't properly care for their kids should be sterilized.

``We pick up stray animals and spay them,'' Larry Shirley said in a story published Saturday by The Post and Courier of Charleston. ``These mothers need to be spayed if they can't take care of theirs. Once they have a child and it's running the street, to let them continue to have children is totally unacceptable.''

Shirley's comments come after police say a video store was held up by a group of children, including a 14-year-old girl suspected of wielding a BB gun that looked like a pistol.

The holdup happened about 9 p.m. Wednesday at a Hollywood Video store. A 14-year-old girl and a 12-year-old boy were charged as juveniles with armed robbery. A 9-year-old boy was not charged because police said he was too young. He was released to his mother.

``What we've got is a failure in society, whether it's in Mount Pleasant with yuppie parents or whether it's on the East Side with poor crackhead parents,'' he said, referring to areas in and around Charleston.

State Sen. Robert Ford, a Charleston Democrat, agreed that the crime highlights a societal problem but dismissed Shirley's suggestion to sterilize people as ``crazy.''

``What Larry Shirley needs to talk about is getting City Council to provide some recreational facilities and activities for these kids and creating an atmosphere conducive to a normal society,'' said Ford, also a former councilman.

it's a great idea, in theory. My questions would be a simple: Who decides what parent is unfit and needs to be sterilized? What are the requirements for being a 'bad' parent? Who checks on the people who check on the parents? Who checks on those people?

What if it was a mistake, a one time deal? Plenty of parents spank a kid way too hard one time, feel guilty for the rest of their lives and never do it again. What say we then?

 

[Trinique_Fire]

it's a great idea, in theory. My questions would be a simple: Who decides what parent is unfit and needs to be sterilized? What are the requirements for being a 'bad' parent? Who checks on the people who check on the parents? Who checks on those people?

What if it was a mistake, a one time deal? Plenty of parents spank a kid way too hard one time, feel guilty for the rest of their lives and never do it again. What say we then?

see that right there is exactly why i can say with some assurance that the dip who suggested this didn't think the whole thing through.

 

[angelicminx]

Posting this without reading the comments, forgive me if it's been said already.

I've long held the view that ALL parents should be required to take parenting classes and CPR/ First Aid training before being allowed to take their precious bundle home.

I've also stated that people should be required to have a license to have children. We require a license for driving, which you can only get if you pass a written and road test, as well as a set amount of time driving with a supervising, licensed driver. Why not require a test for parenting? The 'road' part of the test could be a set number of hours spent with different age levels. Preschool comes to mind for 2, 3, 4 and 5 year olds. (Just think how many people would give up the idea after spending hour upon hour with screaming, inquisitive, busy, 'in to everything' preschoolers. ) Highschool for the trying teen years.

I've taken a parenting test, but I haven't taken the classes, so I don't know how useful the current classes are.

The question that comes to mind though, is who makes up the test for the required license? Who decides what's passing and what's not? My views on parenting don't always match the mainstream views, so does that mean I would fail the test?

As to sterilizing 'bad' parents... who determines the 'bad' parents? I can think of a few that I'd like to see sterilized, but that doesn't mean I'm qualified to decide what a 'bad' parent is.

Also, I want to point out the fact that most people (I think) have already had all the kids they are going to by the time the oldest is 9, 12 or 14 (the ages in the article), so what would be the point of sterilizing the parents?

I agree with the statement about having a "failure in society". I believe we have empowered children to the point that parents are afraid to discipline. I'm not talking about spanking, though I do believe in spanking to a point.

I also agree with cities creating recreational activities for children. Some do, but the cost for the activities is out of reach for some parents; the parents most in need of those activities. On the downside of this is the proven fact that children have become more destructive. I was involved with a youth center when I was in Junior High and it became so overrun with gang activity that there was no choice left but to close it. I was also involved with a "Family Entertainment Center" in High School that was wonderful... for the first six months. Then the gang activity and lack of respect for other people's property forced it to close as well.

So, what's the solution? 'Scared Straight'? I don't know. I've taught my own daughter to respect others and their things. I've taught her to respect herself and her own things. I've taught her the importance of following rules, but that it's okay to question some rules; that's the only way to get them changed. She's 11 and she's a damned good kid, if I do say so myself.

 

[ChilledVodkaIV]

Paul Allen was 41 years old before he'd learned the basics and got good grades, four degrees and written 8 theses concerning: Mechnical engineering. Software engineering. Design. Metal work. Floating glass. Injection moulding. Combustion physics. Aerodynamics. Ergonometry. Tanning, drying, scraping (cow hide). Electronics and Electrical engineering, amongst others.

He could tell you the average stopping distance of an average family saloon at any speed you care to mention.

He had learned every major roadway throughout the Boston area and could walk every inch with his eyes closed.

He played GTA III, Vice City and Miami and completed each one in record time (without cheat codes)

He still didn't know the first thing about how to drive a car.