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I know next to nothing about the subject but perhaps others might find this of interest. - Perdita

The war of the words - The world's best scientists nominate their favourite authors
Tim Radford, Simon Rogers and Adam Rutherford - August 26, 2004, The Guardian

1 Isaac Asimov
As predictable as the human race eventually being enslaved by robots, Asimov, the founding father of modern science fiction, tops the poll. Despite an astonishingly prolific career, he has never been regarded highly for his prose. "Asimov was not a stylish writer in the way that say, Philip K Dick was, but he was very rigorous scientifically, and thoughtful about how he projects scientific ideas into the future," says Philip Ball, a writer of popular science books. Two works mark him out as the master of the genre: I, Robot, and the Foundation trilogy. Last month, Will Smith got jiggy in I, Robot, a film version so distant from the source that the credits say only "suggested by Isaac Asimov's book". In the Foundation series, science and maths were used to predict and plan the development of societies, a device that Mark Brake, professor of science communication at the University of Glamorgan, thinks may be a touch heavy-handed: "We can't even predict a flood in Boscastle, let alone how a society behaves a thousand years in the future."
Trained as a chemist, Asimov, who was born in 1920, held a teaching post at Boston University for many years. As well as his fiction, he wrote many popular guides to science. His scientific credentials were recognised when he had an asteroid (5020) named after him - as is Honda's humanoid prototype robot ASIMO. He died in 1992.

"Unlike a lot of sci-fi writers, Asimov knew how to explain the science, and was a great populariser of real science," says Brake. "But what sets him aside is that he was also masterful at documenting human responses to scientific progress."

2 John Wyndham
Born John Wyndham Parkes Lucas Beynon Harris in Knowle, Warwickshire in 1903, he was one of the few science fiction authors to become hugely popular with people who never normally read science fiction. The Day of The Triffids, written in 1951, has been stunningly popular as a novel, radio serial and a rather terrible film. In the book, a comet effectively blinds most of the planet, which gives a set of seemingly innocent perambulating plants, the triffids, their chance to bid for world domination. Like The Invasion of the Bodysnatchers, the book now seems to be a Cold War paranoia novel. At the time, it just seemed wonderfully gripping. Wyndham followed up with a handful of other thriller-chillers: The Chrysalids, The Midwich Cuckoos, The Kraken Wakes. All were bestsellers. He died in 1969.

"He was exploring the societal, political and other dimensions as a consequence of something happening in science," says Julia Higgins, professor of polymer science at Imperial College, London. "They were good novels in which there were real people, and the science issues simply pushed the real people into interesting situations."

3 Fred Hoyle
One of Britain's most creative scientists, Hoyle was as well known for his influential work in the postwar years as an astrophysicist as he was as a science fiction author. Based in Cambridge, first as lecturer in mathematics, and from 1958 as professor of astronomy, he also worked in the US.

Hoyle's first novel, The Black Cloud (1957), is cited by evolutionary biologist and author Richard Dawkins, as his most influential science fiction work. "In The Black Cloud I learned about scientific method and information theory - the interchangeability of different kinds of information." In the novel, humans try to communicate with an alien intelligence in the form of a cloud of gas, by playing it piano music translated into radio signals. "Today we see information theory in genetic code and the translation of information from one computer to another," says Dawkins.

Hoyle wrote and co-authored other books before his death in 2001, including A for Andromeda: A Novel for Tomorrow (1962), Ossian's Ride (1959); and October the First is Too Late (1966). But it is The Black Cloud for which he is chiefly remembered. "The hero in The Black Cloud is spectacularly unpleasant. He is a male scientist who is arrogant, even fascist. This is very unfortunate and seems to be characteristic in Fred Hoyle's books," says Dawkins.

4 Philip K Dick
"Magic equals science, and science of the future equals magic," said Philip K Dick, whose works are regarded as increasingly prescient. Certainly he is one of the most adapted science fiction novelists: Do Androids Dream Of Electric Sheep? became Blade Runner, We Can Remember It For You Wholesale became Total Recall and Minority Report was filmed by Steven Spielberg in 2002. But his cerebral work was underrated for years until Blade Runner brought acclaim - only months after he had died of a stroke. "The fact that what Dick is entertaining us about is reality and madness, time and death, sin and salvation, has escaped most critics," says Ursula K Le Guin.

"Most of Dick's books are concerned with the question of how do we know what is real. These are the key questions for all of us who study the neural correlates of consciousness," says Chris Frith of University College London's Institute of Cognitive Neuroscience.

5 HG Wells
Socialist, journalist, historian, and author, Herbert George Wells was nothing if not prolific before his death in 1946. He predicted the invention of tanks, aerial bombing, nuclear war, gas warfare, lasers and industrial robots. His scientific background (he studied biology under TH Huxley) led him to produce iconic tales such as The Time Machine, The Invisible Man, The War of the Worlds - almost entirely pessimistic about human nature and the future. University College London geneticist Steve Jones admires The Time Machine: "to my mind the most significant piece of science fiction. The protagonist goes forward thousands of years to find a peaceful society populated by the Eloi, a highly evolved race who sat around chatting and reading the Guardian. Of course, their secret is that they are the crop of a terrible underclass, the Morlocks, who come out at night and eat them."

6 Ursula K Le Guin
Her two most famous works are The Left Hand of Darkness (1969) and The Earthsea Quartet (1968-1990), but this diverse author has produced over 19 novels of science fiction and fantasy, nine volumes of short stories, essays, translations, 13 children's books and poetry. She even collaborated with avant garde composer David Bedford on an opera in 1985 - she wrote the libretto for Rigel 9, about a group of astronauts on a strange planet. The twist is, only one of the astronauts can see an alien city. Her works are vehicles for her evolving views on feminism, environmentalism and utopia and some have been described as "didactic".

"It's very meaningful in thinking about gender issues," says Diana Liverman, director of the Environmental Change Institute at Oxford University.

7 Arthur C Clarke
Sixty books, 50m copies in print, and a link with some of the 20th century's most indelible ideas: not bad for a boy from Minehead in Somerset. He was born in 1917, and signalled his space odyssey intentions by joining the British Interplanetary Society before the second world war. He worked on radar in the RAF and in 1945 submitted a technical paper called Extraterrestrial Relays, laying down the principles of satellite communication in geostationary orbits. He graduated with first class honours in physics and mathematics from King's College London in 1948. About 25 years later, the world caught up with him. He worked with Stanley Kubrick on the film of 2001: A Space Odyssey. He was a CBS broadcaster on the Apollo missions with Walter Cronkite, and he is famous for three laws, known as Clarke's Laws and a clutch of unforgettable sci-fi novels and short story collections, such as Childhood's End, Rendezvous with Rama and The Nine Billion Names of God. A polio victim in childhood, and an underwater diver, he has lived in Sri Lanka since 1956.

8 Ray Bradbury
Has published more than 500 works but is most famous for epics such as The Martian Chronicles (1950) and Something Wicked This Way Comes (1962). His most influential work is Fahrenheit 451 (1953), set in a dystopian future where firemen burn books - Fahrenheit 451 is the ignition temperature of paper. It's a tale which still resonates today. "I used to read lots of science fiction during my teens," says Robert May, biologist and president of the Royal Society, "Fahrenheit 451 is a great book that was turned into a great movie."

"People call me a science fiction writer, but I don't think that's quite true," says Bradbury on his website. "I think that I'm a magician who is capable of making things appear and disappear right in front of you and you don't know how it happened."

9 Frank Herbert
"While writing the third Dune book," Herbert said, "I first realised consciously that I had to be an entertainer above all, that I was in the entertainment business." Nominated for the successful Dune series of novels, which has been translated into dozens of languages, has outsold any science fiction novel yet published and became a 1984 film directed by David Lynch. The novel - an epic tale of a desert planet called Arrakis dominated by giant sandworms, the focus of an intricate power struggle in a byzantine interstellar empire - took him six years of research and writing to complete and was rejected by 23 publishers. "The best science fiction transports you to a different kind of world," says Carl Wunsch, professor of physical oceanography at MIT.

10 Stanislaw Lem
Lem has sold 27m copies of 2,000 editions in 41 languages, but his books remain curiously hard to find. He is best known for the haunting Solaris (1961) - filmed twice - but aficionados would probably start enthusing about hugely funny, often startling, books such as The Cyberiad, The Futurlogical Congress, The Star Diaries, and The Tales of Pirx the Pilot. He was born in 1921, in what is now Lvov in Ukraine and studied medicine. He published his first novel in 1948, became a member of the Polish Academy of Sciences in 1972. In 1991, the Austrians awarded him the Kafka Prize for Literature. The New York Review of Books called him "a major writer, and one of the deep spirits of our age".
 
Thanks for the read. It's a good list.

I'm extra pleased to see Le Guin, one of my domestic gods, getting a nod. Apart from her Earthsea books, which are good adventure stories, but still new age fluff, her repertoir is interresting indeed. She has the ability to write Science Fiction where the science part is mere backdrop for some very human oriented stories. Often with a sharp political edge.

Same can be found in many good russian novelists, who used Science Fiction settings to hide critisism (or sometimes praise) of communism as an ideology or even the Soviet regime. One author doing both, and who also wrote helluva good stories, is Ivan Jefremov. Worth a look.

#L
 
perdita said:
I know next to nothing about the subject but perhaps others might find this of interest. - Perdita

The war of the words - The world's best scientists nominate their favourite authors
Tim Radford, Simon Rogers and Adam Rutherford - August 26, 2004, The Guardian

There's a thread on the GB about this same group's selection of the top ten science fiction movies.

I disagreed with their choice there and I disagree with their choices here.Arthur C. Clarke is way too low in this group of ten -- in fact way too low in a "proper" list of the the top ten.

Robert A. Heinlein isn't mentioned and Isaac Asimov is wrongly given the title (Father of modern science fiction) usually reserved for John Campbell, long time editor of Astounding Science Fiction who literally defined science fiction in the mid-twentieth century by what he would or would not buy for Astounding.

Dr. Larry Niven and Dr. Jerry Pournelle are missing despite writing better science and better fiction (separately and in collaboration) than most of the people listed.

I am glad to see John Wyndham listed -- although he should be higher up the list than many of the ten listed.
 
I wonder why they left out Robert Heinlein....upon reconsideration, no, I don't wonder...he was politically incorrect, that is to say...he was not a socialist...as were most of the listed authors....

Nor is Anne McCaffrey, who deserves a place in the hall of fame of science fiction writers and perhaps also Philip Wiley, whom I had the pleasure of meeting many years ago....

This is a bogus list....politically motivated and not worthy of serious consideration.

I have read some of all of those mentioned...and the main theme of most...is the apocalyptic end of the earth because of the evils of mankind...the same liberal shit that flows in the sewers of contemporary media....blah!
 
amicus said:
I wonder why they left out Robert Heinlein....upon reconsideration, no, I don't wonder...he was politically incorrect, that is to say...he was not a socialist...as were most of the listed authors....

Nor is Anne McCaffrey, who deserves a place in the hall of fame of science fiction writers and perhaps also Philip Wiley, whom I had the pleasure of meeting many years ago....

This is a bogus list....politically motivated and not worthy of serious consideration.

I have read some of all of those mentioned...and the main theme of most...is the apocalyptic end of the earth because of the evils of mankind...the same liberal shit that flows in the sewers of contemporary media....blah!

I balk at socialist. Few would call Wells, Bradbury, Asimov, Herbert or Clarke socialists. No, the list isn't "politically motivated", Amicus. McCaffrey is not on here because she's mostly fantasy, so I understand that.

The lack of Verne is disturbing however, but I assume the list people thought that since they had Wells, they could forget Verne. I also echo that Heinlein should be on here. In fact there were a lot of great authors who should have been up here. Larry Niven for instance.

I, unlike many, do cheer Asimov topping the list though personally I thought Bradbury should have been number 1. Asimov's Science Fiction was the magazine that first got me to try and send in work to be published. And I like Asimov's robot stories and how they're not about robots going crazy and killing people.




I see why the list seems to vary from what we'd put up, though. Since it's based on which sci-fi authors most appeal to scientists, hard science fiction and camp sci-fi gets a strong boost while the others do not. That's probably the reason Heinlein just missed out. I wouldn't be surprised to see him on a list of the top 20 sci-fi authors as picked by scientists.
 
Hey, Luc...not wanting to pick an argument with you...but unless my memory fails me...in the works of the authors I read, they, like Blade Runner, (I had a crush on Sean Young) depict a future corrupted by business, industry run wild and corporate control.

If you do a quick search for bio's on the authors I think you will find they are for the most part left leaning advocates of a 'peaceful' benevolent all powerful government fighting ruthless capitalists....now that may be your bag...and if so, so be it, but, a little honesty, please...

And yes...the robots of Asimov...I fully agree...those were good stories...but, Bradbury...Herbert...Dick and Le Guin? c'mon...fess up...

amicus...
 
amicus said:
Hey, Luc...not wanting to pick an argument with you...but unless my memory fails me...in the works of the authors I read, they, like Blade Runner, (I had a crush on Sean Young) depict a future corrupted by business, industry run wild and corporate control.

If you do a quick search for bio's on the authors I think you will find they are for the most part left leaning advocates of a 'peaceful' benevolent all powerful government fighting ruthless capitalists....now that may be your bag...and if so, so be it, but, a little honesty, please...

And yes...the robots of Asimov...I fully agree...those were good stories...but, Bradbury...Herbert...Dick and Le Guin? c'mon...fess up...

amicus...

Bradbury I will not concede, because I know and have met the man. He loves the dark future bit, but he in his own words is "not a damn socialist".

Herbert, as well I would not concede to being a socialist.

Dick, ah good ol' Dick. Notice he wasn't in my list. He'd be the closest one to a socialist in the group and also the single best writer of dystopian fiction in the universe. I think technically he was a libertarian if I remember my bios right. (P.S. the story that Blade Runner was based on was the very famous "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?")

LeGuin, never read her, so I'll concede her readily.




No, they don't. Most write about stupid governments and how they fuck up humanity. Read Bradbury, any of it, but especially Farenheit 451. A stupid government and bad culture that's anti-reading try and destroy all knowledge and thus are destroyed by nuclear weapons. The ones who survive? People who memorized the old books. Not exactly a happy everyone loves government and bunnies future. In fact, it in many ways resembles things you've said.

I think your belief that "anything that doesn't sync with what you believe must be socialist" is clouding the truth from you. The list is skewed towards hard sci-fi. That doesn't make all the writers psychotic leftists with dashikis on their heads.
 
Lucifer_Carroll said:
McCaffrey is not on here because she's mostly fantasy, so I understand that.

Actually, Anne McCaffrey writes very little fantasy as a percentage of her total output. Her two best known series -- The Brawn and Brainship universe that grew out of TheShip Who Sang and the Pern series -- are both science fiction. In fact, I can't think of a single title off-hand that is pure fantasy -- even the first of the pern books (which reads like a typical fantasy) begins with the standard preface about "when men first came to the third planet of the star Rukbhat, pern..."
 
Heinlein wrote some great books, but even as a kid before I knew right from left I thought his politics were embarrassingly screwy. In "Tunnel In The Sky" (I think it was) he advocated public whippings for criminals and no voting rights for anyone who hadn't served in the military. I never understood the big deal about "Stranger in a Strange Land" either, which seemd kind of unimaginative to me.

I thought Hoyle's "Black Cloud" was one of the most boring things I'd ever read, but I was awful young when I read it.

I understand that they're just looking at hard-core sci-fi people on this list, and that's why Bradbury-- who was more of a fantacist-- isn't in there. Bradbury casts a huge shadow over contemporary sci-fi and horror though, at least for me. I also like Clifford Simak and Theodore Sturgeon too, and, when I was younger, Andre Norton.

Phillip Jose Farmer also was great fun for his "Riverworld" series and for a book whose title I forgot that was one of the weirdest things I've ever read. Some sort of mansion full of freaks with one woman who had this talking head on a stalk coming out of her vagina. Kind of surreal-horror-sex.

---dr.M.
 
Mab....


I" also like Clifford Simak and Theodore Sturgeon too, and, when I was younger, Andre Norton.

Phillip Jose Farmer"



Thanks for the memories, Mab...yes...so many good writers...not always consistent..and surely some stories better than others, but then...ain't that the way it goes?


regards...amicus...
 
dr_mabeuse said:
I understand that they're just looking at hard-core sci-fi people on this list, and that's why Bradbury-- who was more of a fantacist-- isn't in there. Bradbury casts a huge shadow over contemporary sci-fi and horror though, at least for me.

I'm not exactly sure what criterion they used, but there are only one or two authors on the list that I would class as "hard-core sci-fi people.

Fred Hoyle and Arthur C. Clarke are the only ones on the list I can think of that made a point of being scientific about their science fiction; the rest are best known for treating the advanced tehnology and science in their stories as something "everybody knows" or just don't explain things at all.

I think of "hard-core Sci-fi people" as authors like Larry Niven, who spends an inordinate amount of time constructing things that are possible if not plausible and explaining the orbital mechanics and physics of them.
 
Weird Harold said:
I'm not exactly sure what criterion they used, but there are only one or two authors on the list that I would class as "hard-core sci-fi people.

Fred Hoyle and Arthur C. Clarke are the only ones on the list I can think of that made a point of being scientific about their science fiction; the rest are best known for treating the advanced tehnology and science in their stories as something "everybody knows" or just don't explain things at all.

I think of "hard-core Sci-fi people" as authors like Larry Niven, who spends an inordinate amount of time constructing things that are possible if not plausible and explaining the orbital mechanics and physics of them.

Well, don't forget that Asimov was a working biochemist all his life, and his 3-volume work on Physics (in paperback. I think the title was "The World of Physics") is still the best non-technical physics survey around. Very readable and non-mathematical.

When I was in grad school I had to go back and read his paperback on thermodynamics just to understand what they were teaching me. He had a real gift for making technical stuff readable without patronizing. I don't think there's anyone else doing that kind of basic but rigorous science writing today, and there's a real need for it.

I wish he were still alive to write some books on computers.

---dr.M.
 
dr_mabeuse said:
Well, don't forget that Asimov was a working biochemist all his life, and his 3-volume work on Physics (in paperback. I think the title was "The World of Physics") is still the best non-technical physics survey around. Very readable and non-mathematical.

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I wish he were still alive to write some books on computers.

---dr.M.

His non-fiction "popular science essays" were definitely "hard science -- although I'm not sure he'd be much good for computer books; he claimed he was virtually computer illiterate beyond the basic concepts.

One of my favorite popular science essays explained how to count to 1023 on your fingers. (Not that I ever ws able to master counting in binary.)

However, Asimov usd mostly "soft science" in his fiction -- despite the positronic brains and faster-than-light space travel, the main "science" in his stories was "psychology" and "statistics." Or more precisely an assumption that those soft sciences would turn succumb to mathematical modeling and be "hard science" in the future.

His Robot stories were more "mysteries with robots and spaceships" than real "science fiction."
 
Authours missed, in my opinion.

H. Beam Piper, Heinlein, Stanley H. Schmitz (I think this was a pseudonym for a female authour), Pohl Anderson.

Dr. M? It was Starship Troopers that had the public whippings and military service.

I don't agree with corporal punishment for the same reason I don't agree with capital punishment. Chiefly, we can't fix mistakes.

And it wasn't military service, it was federal service. The main character just happened to end up in the military. You had to volunteer and you couldn't be turned away. The Federation had to find you a job "even if you were blind and in a wheelchair". The point was to prove that you valued the society you lived in more than your own personal welfare. I still think that's a good idea.

So glad to see John Wyndham on the list. The Midwich Cuckoos is one of my all time favourite books. And they missed the fact that The Day of the Triffids was made into a TV miniseries by the BBC. That was about twenty years ago, so it was easy to miss.

PS. Thanks, perdita!
 
I'm not sure Frank Herbert deserves to be on there. Dune would end up in my top ten list of books and I do own most of the Dune series, but a lot of his science fiction was very ordinary. Overcomplicated and convoluted - The Jesus Incident being a prime example. He tried to create a new universe in every book he wrote and failed to convey it in many.

Herbert wrote an excellent book in Dune, but I don't think he was a good writer overall. Even the rest of the Dune series trailed off after Dune Messiah.

The Earl
 
If this list was really concentrated upon hard science fiction writers, I wonder why Hal Clement was not on it?
 
Just out of curiosity, did anyone every hear of the Gormenghast Trilogy by Mervyn Peak?

I read these ages ago, and they were very bizarre, concerning a lad named Titus living in this huge crumbling palace somewhere. One scene between Titus, a blind lamb-man and a human Jackal stays with me.

---dr.M.

P.S. I'm glad to hear you say that about Herbert, Earl. I thought Dune was good, but after I finished it, I couldn't remember a thing that had happened except the worm-riding scene.
 
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Gormenghast

Mab., I only know it from the British dramatization. It's available on DVD if you're interested. Odd, but I enjoyed it as fantasy.

Perdita
 
I started reading Gormenghast, but... well... when you're 12 books like that slide off of you.

I didn't notice the brothers Strugacki, authors of Picnic at the Edge of the Road, which became the basis for the movie Stalker.

But, overall, except for Wyndham lots of familiar faces.
 
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