Frustration.

[eroticstoryspinner]

Honestly this seems more suited to a political/philosophical thread.

The bottom line, no exceptions, this is what it is, takeaway here is that it IS Laural's site. She makes the rules and if you wish to post here, then you follow them.

Underage sex: I suspect that Laurel has no desire to go to jail/run up giant legal fees/get the site shut down. Yes,yes I know the arguments that "literature" has portrayed underage sex, Lolita being the example everyone raises. The reality is that all it takes is a prosecutor to decide to zero in on you to run the risk of jail/bankruptcy/loss of livelihood. If you don't like the submission guidelines she sets you can always submit elsewhere.

Any other kink: See underage sex. Insert kink that you want the site to approve for "underage sex"

With all due respect, it sounds like you want the law of gravity amended.

 

[NotWise]

ith all due respect, it sounds like you want the law of gravity amended.

I think GuessImJamie is trying to understand why her stories were sent back. She's not trying to change any rules.

 

[eroticstoryspinner]

I think GuessImJamie is trying to understand why her stories were sent back. She's not trying to change any rules.

Thanks. I reread her posts, and while she is saying that. it really seems like she is not happy about the rule. I am just speculating because I don't have the text, but I can only assume that something int he story is far enough off the reservation to over come the disclaimer language. Which might be a solution, to get another set of eyes looking at it.

 

[GuessImJamie]

Put yourself in the position of the site owner, not yourself. It's not that difficult.

One of the first statements that I made was that I appriciate the site. I called it "the gold standard." And I acknowledged that it is the owners "child, livelihood and business."

I get it. I don't disagree with her rules. I am trying to understand them.

The rule really isn't that complicated. "Underage sex" means underage people having sex, or thinking about sex, or watching sex, or fantasizing about sex, or watching or observing any behavior that is sexual in nature. It means somebody under 18 watching farm animals having sex or siblings being naked or sexual or whatever.

I understand the sites rules, I am not trying to subvert them. My story as originally submitted said "everyone is 18." It did make references implying but not stating that the universe existed before the events in the story. An 18 year old can recall events from the past that occurred when they were 18 (although accepting as fact they could have been 8 or 12 I later clarified it to say the past event occurred when the storyteller was 18 as well). This was deemed unrealistic. Interpreting that as below the median that argument can be set against 50 percent of anything.

Purge your story of all material that might fit under this extremely broad problem area, and you will eliminate the problem. People get into trouble when they try to make sense of the rule by the lights of their own logic rather than looking at it in functional terms from the standpoint of the site owner.

I believe that in general this is excellent advice. But in this case having rewritten the passage multiple times it seems that each resubmission makes the situation worse not better.

It should have been submitted as fiction. It is a very personal story, one I wished to share keeping it as close as possible to the truth. So I took the criticism too personally I know that. I also understand that once you have to explain the joke it isnt funny anymore. (Or as Sun-Tsu said: You win every battle you never fight.)

If you are having difficulty with a specific problem then you need to say exactly what the specific problem is rather than dancing around the issue in this elliptical fashion with references to "XYZ", etc. Nobody knows what you mean.

Another mistake, I wanted to focus on the process not the specifics because I feel that I have rewritten the "offending part" but now having complied with the rules to the letter I am being ignored. An author I exchange e-mails with has had a dozen stories published since I last resubmitted my story.

Furthermore a totally different story has been rejected saying it is B********* (a topic that users of the forum are specifically enjoined from discussing) it doesn't have the mention of a gnat, mouse, cat or bear in it.

I don't know if the computer has locked me out because like an ATM it allows three wrong codes and freezes the account. Or it isnt worth the overworked owners valuable time to deal with or I have offended.

PS - I have offended at least two people who seem to think I am a right-wing kook. (Just guessing I got PMs so they wouldn't get any backlash.) Me: 66 y/o bisexual, polyamorous, grandmother.

FWIW I am glad there is a LGBT-QNGIF++ group at my grandson's school. It just pisses me off that people get all bent if I call it a gay and lesbian group, or that i am told by a teenager who has been "identifying as female for a month" that I am being insensitive to lesbians by telling them a story about being called a "dyke" in the 70s. (Shit I guess only the KKK can say "n")

I just think it's insane that they can hand out condoms but not the school nurse.

 

[GuessImJamie]

We understood the theory, but none of us had ever put it into practice...

I like that.

 

[GuessImJamie]

Thanks. I reread her posts, and while she is saying that. it really seems like she is not happy about the rule. I am just speculating because I don't have the text, but I can only assume that something int he story is far enough off the reservation to over come the disclaimer language. Which might be a solution, to get another set of eyes looking at it.

Meat Loaf - You took the words right out of my mouth

"On a hot summer night
Would you offer your throat to the wolf with the red roses?
Will he offer me his mouth?
Yes
Will he offer me his teeth?
Yes
Will he offer me his jaws?
Yes
Will he offer me his hunger?
Yes
Again, will he offer me his hunger?
Yes!
And will he starve without me?
Yes!
And does he love me?
Yes
Yes
On a hot summer night
Would you offer your throat to the wolf with the red roses?
Yes
I bet you to say that to all the boys."

That zap at the end is what I take issue with. It was the story of my "first time." I said in my Orig Submission that "everyone was 18 or over." In the story I said we went to school together. (i didn't say we were still in school, no part of the story takes place in the school.)

A sentence was objected to in the OS (it took two back and forth just to clarify that

"Growning up on the farm we had seen (deleted) having (deleted) with one another so we were all aware of the mechanics."

Is apparently B*********. (PS there are stories tagged B********** here.) I resubmitted it with the above changed to.

"We had all seen the poorly executed text book line drawings in health class so we knew how it was done."

I was told that was "underage" because schools teach sex-ed to kids younger than 18.

So I modified it again.

But wait not at Lit High, kids gotta be 18 to take that class. I even added a note when I resubmitted it that at my grandson's school they teach sex-ed to seniors, and at Lit senior= 18 y/o.

Radio silence.

I'm not fighting the rule, I'm not arguing to change it. The speed limit is 35, got it. It is strictly enforced, got it.

 

[Heartsongs]

I'm not fighting the rule, I'm not arguing to change it. The speed limit is 35, got it. It is strictly enforced, got it.

It sounds like you understand the rules, approve of them, and understand why they exist. Great!

I once wrote a story that was rejected. Together with another author I thought I made the necessary changes. The story was rejected again. I liked the story the way I wrote it and refused to do any more changes. It's never been published. I did write a second story from where that original story ended. That one was accepted. It was very well received and lead to four more stories that I never planned on writing. I received positive feedback on all of them. So only one other Lit member has ever read the rejected original that spawned a series I never thought or planned on writing. I guess my point of all this is... keep writing. You know the rules. The rejection is definitely frustrating. I felt it too. It also lead to some of my most popular stories.

Wishing you much future success.

 

[JamesMiehoff]

I don't wish to beat a dead horse or a dead cougar, but the rules are there to protect the site and to protect the authors. We can argue whether it is 50/50 or 99/1 for protection, but it is there.

I think a lot of us have accidently crossed the line. I did it accidently in a story that involved the main character, who had just turned 18, reminiscing about the heavy petting he had done with a previous girlfriend. When I got the reject, I completely missed that, because I thought it was pretty innocent. But the rule is the rule. I rewrote those two sentences with him reminiscing about kissing his previous girlfriend and it was published. It didn't affect the story.

If removing an underage scene is going to completely disrupt the story, then there may just be a case that it is over the line.

Tilting at windmills is not productive. If you are unwilling to compromise your story, and I can respect that, then you may need to find an alternate forum to publish it. There are plenty of amateur self publishing sites on the net. The gods only know how many of my stories have ended up on them (not by my doing).

James

 

[eroticstoryspinner]

Meat Loaf - You took the words right out of my mouth

"On a hot summer night
Would you offer your throat to the wolf with the red roses?
Will he offer me his mouth?
Yes
Will he offer me his teeth?
Yes
Will he offer me his jaws?
Yes
Will he offer me his hunger?
Yes
Again, will he offer me his hunger?
Yes!
And will he starve without me?
Yes!
And does he love me?
Yes
Yes
On a hot summer night
Would you offer your throat to the wolf with the red roses?
Yes
I bet you to say that to all the boys."

That zap at the end is what I take issue with. It was the story of my "first time." I said in my Orig Submission that "everyone was 18 or over." In the story I said we went to school together. (i didn't say we were still in school, no part of the story takes place in the school.)

A sentence was objected to in the OS (it took two back and forth just to clarify that

"Growning up on the farm we had seen (deleted) having (deleted) with one another so we were all aware of the mechanics."

Is apparently B*********. (PS there are stories tagged B********** here.) I resubmitted it with the above changed to.

"We had all seen the poorly executed text book line drawings in health class so we knew how it was done."

I was told that was "underage" because schools teach sex-ed to kids younger than 18.

So I modified it again.

But wait not at Lit High, kids gotta be 18 to take that class. I even added a note when I resubmitted it that at my grandson's school they teach sex-ed to seniors, and at Lit senior= 18 y/o.

Radio silence.

I'm not fighting the rule, I'm not arguing to change it. The speed limit is 35, got it. It is strictly enforced, got it.

Thanks for sharing. Based on that, I can see your frustration. I have had to dance with Laurel on a couple of stories, although I have not published that many on LIT. Good luck

my stories https://www.literotica.com/stories/memberpage.php?uid=4605551&page=submissions

 

[Blind_Justice]

I think a big problem is communication or a lack thereof. Yes, Laurel is a busy Mama Pachyderm, what with solo vetting every single story and her rejection notes being on the terse end. A lot could probably be achieved by having direct access to relevant FAQ topics from within the rejection notice.

But since we're stuck with the current system, the best thing the OP could try is sending Laurel a direct message through the forum. Reference the story in question and politely ask where the problem is. Get the answer from the boss lady herself. Gird your loins with patience, but those few times I had to walk that walk, I came away enlightened and it turns out that said Mama Pachyderm is a kind and benevolent overlord after all.

 

[gordo12]

Jamie: Right now the book industry is battling for credit cards. Your esteemed politicians (both sides but more of the R's than D's) are using porn for easy targets. Even Amazon has folded and removed certain types of books from their lineup...

Many of the sex websites that sell memberships have had to remove entire categories.

Even though they are completely legal the credit card companies, in response to political pressure, have banned their sale.

Try finding a credit card company that will give you privileges on your website if you're selling books. Even places like Paypal refuse to cover books.

So even though all these things are legal, including talking about underage sex, they could possible lose the revenue sources it takes to run this site.

So there is a bright line and they are working to stay well on the other side of it. I don't blame them.

Sol allows stories @14. Perhaps you could post them there. Goats won't be a problem either.

 

[BuckyDuckman]

Being frustrated sucks. What makes perfectly logical sense to one person may sound like complete lunacy to others. Only a few rules are written in stone and can be found here: Submission Guidelines.

Some of those rules have evolved over time. Adding your other thread concerning categories to this one, you appear frustrated by lots of Lit's practices. If you enjoy the site and audience it attracts to your stories, find a way to accept its quirks. I've been here for "only" nine years and I've seen lots of changes along the way. Suggestions are heard, but change happens at the pace and discretion of the site's owners.