'From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs!'

[eyer]

Marx's dated rendering has been translated by socialists into "progressive income tax" and "government safety net"...

...now, today, Barrack Hussein Obama and his Democratic Party give us their own communist offering known as the "affordable care act".

Progressives of the USSA, unite!


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[renard_ruse]

Actually, what we have is even worse.

At least Communists expected people to contribute to the extent of their ability. There was no free lunch.

 

[renard_ruse]

I would pick Communism over Social Democracy (what we call "liberalism" in the US), if I had to choose. Social Democracy is the most grotesque, repulsive system of government in modern history. It ranks down there with the worst forms of government of all time.

Communism had a number of redeeming facets, while Social Democracy ("liberalism") pretty much has no redeeming aspects at all. I'm not defending Communism, just saying.

 

[neci]

reporting for duty, comrade!

i need cock, and i am able to suck.

 

[neci]

Actually, what we have is even worse.

At least Communists expected people to contribute to the extent of their ability. There was no free lunch.

i have your free lunch right here, big boy.

 

[Joeybagadonuts]

Marx's dated rendering has been translated by socialists into "progressive income tax" and "government safety net"...

...now, today, Barrack Hussein Obama and his Democratic Party give us their own communist offering known as the "affordable care act".

Progressives of the USSA, unite!


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it's obamacare!

fucking get it right!

 

[bronzeage]

reporting for duty, comrade!

i need cock, and i am able to suck.

Bless you for the work you do.

 

[neci]

Bless you for the work you do.

don't forget to tip the barmaid.

 

[thør]

don't forget to tip the barmaid.

Da, comrade.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Progressives of the USSA, unite!

You don't know how lucky you are, boys,
Back in the USSA!

 

[KingOrfeo]

reporting for duty, comrade!

i need cock, and i am able to suck.

Socialists like to share their virility
But it brings social costs in fertility
For, "To each by her need!"
Is their true, solemn creed,
But the sharing wears out the ability!

 

[KingOrfeo]

Communism had a number of redeeming facets, while Social Democracy ("liberalism") pretty much has no redeeming aspects at all.

1) Liberalism is not social democracy. Social-democratic or progressive politics are something well to the left of "liberal" but well to the right of "socialist."

2) Social democracy/progressivism differs from Communism in having redeeming aspects, going by the social record of each to date.

 

[renard_ruse]

1) Liberalism is not social democracy. Social-democratic or progressive politics are something well to the left of "liberal" but well to the right of "socialist."

2) Social democracy/progressivism differs from Communism in having redeeming aspects, going by the social record of each to date.

Today's US Democrat Party IS a social democrat party.

There is scant difference, if any, today between it and the Social Democrat and Labour parties in Europe and other places. The US Democrat Party used to have the excuse that it had a conservative wing that made it "more moderate" than the social democratic parties in other countries (whether this was true or not back then). The conservative wing has gradually been driven away or died off and no longer exists as a moderating influence. Under the current President, there is no functional distinction between the Democrat Party and social democratic policies.

As for "progressive" I find the use of this term to describe liberalism or social democrat policies extremely offensive. There is nothing "progressive" about these backwards degenerate ideologies.

 

[renard_ruse]

I'd add that there IS a distinction between traditional liberal ideology and today's US liberalism or European social democracy. In that sense there is a difference. Traditional liberalism is probably closer to Reagan era neo-conservatism than it is to modern "liberalism."

 

[Wrong Element]

Today's US Democrat Party IS a social democrat party.

There is scant difference, if any, today between it and the Social Democrat and Labour parties in Europe and other places. The US Democrat Party used to have the excuse that it had a conservative wing that made it "more moderate" than the social democratic parties in other countries (whether this was true or not back then). The conservative wing has gradually been driven away or died off and no longer exists as a moderating influence. Under the current President, there is no functional distinction between the Democrat Party and social democratic policies.

As for "progressive" I find the use of this term to describe liberalism or social democrat policies extremely offensive. There is nothing "progressive" about these backwards degenerate ideologies.

I doubt there is a European on this board who will agree with you.

 

[Que]

1) Liberalism is not social democracy. Social-democratic or progressive politics are something well to the left of "liberal" but well to the right of "socialist."

2) Social democracy/progressivism differs from Communism in having redeeming aspects, going by the social record of each to date.

Near as I can tell the whole point of college these days is to keep up with whatever label they want to use for their brilliant idea of repressing the incentive of producers and giving to those that don't have either the capacity or the drive to be useful. Just one small example of language: one "qualifies" for food stamps by not being able to feed one's self.


Talking about what a label does or doesn't mean is pointless. They will change it next week.

 

[PoppingTom]

Today's US Democrat Party IS a social democrat party.

There is scant difference, if any, today between it and the Social Democrat and Labour parties in Europe and other places.

The cliche American Idiot has spoken.

 

[unregistered]

 

[eyer]

Obviously, it's time once again to review Marx and Engel's infamous 10 measures of communist accomplishment...

...so as to rate how far along the nice Red road the USSA has already trod during this "battle of democracy".

The emphasis is mine...

...the words are found within "Chapter II. Proletarians and Communists" of The Communist Manifesto:

We have seen above, that the first step in the revolution by the working class is to raise the proletariat to the position of ruling class to win the battle of democracy.

The proletariat will use its political supremacy to wrest, by degree, all capital from the bourgeoisie, to centralise all instruments of production in the hands of the State, i.e., of the proletariat organised as the ruling class; and to increase the total productive forces as rapidly as possible.

Of course, in the beginning, this cannot be effected except by means of despotic inroads on the rights of property, and on the conditions of bourgeois production; by means of measures, therefore, which appear economically insufficient and untenable, but which, in the course of the movement, outstrip themselves, necessitate further inroads upon the old social order, and are unavoidable as a means of entirely revolutionising the mode of production.

These measures will, of course, be different in different countries.

Nevertheless, in most advanced countries, the following will be pretty generally applicable.

1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.

2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.

3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.

4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.

5. Centralisation of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.

6. Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.

7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.

8. Equal liability of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.

9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country.

10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children’s factory labour in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, &c, &c.

How many of those 10 do you consider "pretty generally applicable" in the USSA today?

Of course, Establishment of mandated citizen health care, enforced with fines for non-participation isn't on Marx's list...

...but comrade Obama and his fellow democrats have now checked it off, anyway.

 

[CandiCame]

reporting for duty, comrade!

i need cock, and i am able to suck.

Reporting for duty because I did not know this was an option.

 

[CandiCame]

Didn't communism fall apart, not because their morals were wrong but because it was executed poorly and the people on top skimmed everything they possibly could and robbed the people blind?

 

[KingOrfeo]

Today's US Democrat Party IS a social democrat party.

No, it's not. See these guys? They're American social democrats, and easily distinguishable from and to the left of the Democrats. Yet still easily distinguishable from and to the right of the Socialists, who are for their part not Communists.

You really need to stop looking at the whole left end of the spectrum through the wrong end of a telescope.

As for "progressive" I find the use of this term to describe liberalism or social democrat policies extremely offensive. There is nothing "progressive" about these backwards degenerate ideologies.

[shrug] That is both your error and your problem.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Obviously, it's time once again to review Marx and Engel's infamous 10 measures of communist accomplishment...

...so as to rate how far along the nice Red road the USSA has already trod during this "battle of democracy".

The emphasis is mine...

...the words are found within "Chapter II. Proletarians and Communists" of The Communist Manifesto:

So, Marx was right about some things. What's your point?

 

[KingOrfeo]

I'd add that there IS a distinction between traditional liberal ideology and today's US liberalism or European social democracy. In that sense there is a difference. Traditional liberalism is probably closer to Reagan era neo-conservatism than it is to modern "liberalism."

N.B.: No definition of "traditional liberalism" is defensible if it would exclude LBJ's or FDR's. And Obama is by no means to their left, quite the reverse.