Friday night ethics

[StellaGrace727]

Ok well maybe you should have pointed that out in the first place.

I don't think your willingness to defend has anything to do with being broad minded, I don't even think it is to do with defending someone that has committed a sexual offence. I think, but I might be wrong, that if you asked the same people here that are saying 'no' to defending rape, they would probably say no to child crimes, murder, torture etc, crimes that have nothing to do with sex.

Rape, more often than not, has nothing to do with sex, it has to do with power. Therefore, I am still struggling to equate why you think a forum of open minded people and their opinion on this has any relevance?!


Or am I missing the point?

It's relevance, is that at least here I could guarantee two things: 1. That I wouldn't have to deal with the particular mindset of the people that I have physically available; 2. That I had a captive audience.

I was hoping for the best.

 

[fire_breeze]

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[fire_breeze]

I know...



As for me...I could never be a defense attorney. Or a prosecuting one either, for that matter. I guess that precludes me from having to answer this question.

Taking the easy way out, I see

 

[cowslinger64]

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Lol...thanks for calling me out on my weaselyness

 

[fire_breeze]

Lol...thanks for calling me out on my weaselyness

Not at all! ... Mea culpa. Not my intention at all!


Buggeration. Now I think I need defence attorney!!

 

[StellaGrace727]

We could always handle things the tried and true Southern way. Just say something absolutely horrible and end it with "Well, bless your heart."

 

[Peaches1990]

It's relevance, is that at least here I could guarantee two things: 1. That I wouldn't have to deal with the particular mindset of the people that I have physically available; 2. That I had a captive audience.

I was hoping for the best.

If you're looking for people to reassure you that you are not alone in thinking you could and would do this then perhaps it is time to think long and hard about becoming a defence lawyer full stop.

As I said in my first post I agree with the premise of everyone being entitled to a fair trial and representation, I do wonder how some of these defence lawyers sleep at night, and I am sure that you have to have a particularly thick skin and be a certain type of person to be a defence lawyer. You will also encounter people all the way through your career that cannot accept or understand your decision and ability to defend criminals of this nature. Let's face it, you are not choosing an easy route.

But, if you feel that you could do this and want to do this then that is up to you. There has to be people like you in this world or those type of people wouldn't get a fair trial. I'm not sure it would upset me if they didn't, but you see what I'm saying.

 

[cowslinger64]

Not at all! ... Mea culpa. Not my intention at all!


Buggeration. Now I think I need defence attorney!!

Guess you'll have to find one not concerned you are GUILTY..hopefully he or she can put that aside and still defend you of your grievous conduct!

 

[garbage can]

Issue #1

Hypothetically, could you, as a defense attorney, defend an admitted rapist? Why or why not?

Secondly, does your membership to this site color that opinion in any way?

Yup, I would defend him, only to the extent of seeing he got a fair trial.

Not the Johnny Cochran style of scheming deceitful defense "If it doesn't fit, you must acquit" bullshit

Second: Nope, I'm a hard core fiscal conservative, and a death penalty advocate. But very liberal on social issues, like whoring, gambling, adult porn, etc. But very much against 3rd trimester abortions.

 

[newbiebabe]

I know...



As for me...I could never be a defense attorney. Or a prosecuting one either, for that matter. I guess that precludes me from having to answer this question.

so you're of the "kill all the lawyers" group eh?

 

[cowslinger64]

so you're of the "kill all the lawyers" group eh?

Not really...but letting lawyers/politicians run the place, has helped make this country funked up like it is.

 

[StellaGrace727]

Yup, I would defend him, only to the extent of seeing he got a fair trial.

Not the Johnny Cochran style of scheming deceitful defense "If it doesn't fit, you must acquit" bullshit

Second: Nope, I'm a hard core fiscal conservative, and a death penalty advocate. But very liberal on social issues, like whoring, gambling, adult porn, etc. But very much against 3rd trimester abortions.[/QUOTE

I catch a lot of flack for being an advocate of the death penalty. It's the only typically right wing thing about me.

 

[newbiebabe]

Not really...but letting lawyers/politicians run the place, has helped make this country funked up like it is.

hey now... that's a whole 'nother discussion...

 

[cowslinger64]

Yup, I would defend him, only to the extent of seeing he got a fair trial.

Not the Johnny Cochran style of scheming deceitful defense "If it doesn't fit, you must acquit" bullshit

Second: Nope, I'm a hard core fiscal conservative, and a death penalty advocate. But very liberal on social issues, like whoring, gambling, adult porn, etc. But very much against 3rd trimester abortions.[/QUOTE

I catch a lot of flack for being an advocate of the death penalty. It's the only typically right wing thing about me.

The problem with the death penalty is the incredible disparity of justice. It's a little late to say we're sorry we were wrong, after you've executed someone.

 

[StellaGrace727]

I totally agree there, but I think that at some point the endless appeals have to end.

 

[fire_breeze]

Guess you'll have to find one not concerned you are GUILTY..hopefully he or she can put that aside and still defend you of your grievous conduct!

I plead insanity.

 

[cowslinger64]

I plead insanity.

Sure....you're pms'ing...got it.

 

[Azuldrgon]

Issue #1

Hypothetically, could you, as a defense attorney, defend an admitted rapist? Why or why not?

Secondly, does your membership to this site color that opinion in any way?

Hypothetically speaking, an admitted rapist deserves to be defended just because he has the right to be. There may be extenuating circumstances where he may have admitted something he didn't actually do, so a trial would be necessary to have the facts emerge.

My membership here doesn't affect that thought because I do not consider rape to be a sexual thing. Rape is a by-product of anger that uses sex to assert authority on the victim. There are some who have a "rape fantasy." However, it is usually with consenting adults and safe words in place and such.

 

[garbage can]

Not really...but letting lawyers/politicians run the place, has helped make this country funked up like it is.

Don't forget the PC crowd, who have really fucked up the country.....

 

[koalabear]

I'm a paralegal. I just started working in criminal defense. I've only been in the field for about 3 years. The question came up.

Then you should know lawyers have no ethics, they just want the cash. That's why we have Criminal Justice and not Victims Justice.

 

[fire_breeze]

Sure....you're pms'ing...got it.

Not quite. I wouldn't be so apologetic if I were, would I?

 

[garbage can]

I catch a lot of flack for being an advocate of the death penalty. It's the only typically right wing thing about me.

I suspect the PG crowd tends to be liberal. When I post on the GB, I'm part of the crowd that the Libs refer to as "wing nuts"..........

 

[StellaGrace727]

I suspect the PG crowd tends to be liberal. When I post on the GB, I'm part of the crowd that the Libs refer to as "wing nuts"..........

"wing nuts" is still way better than my reception when I mistakenly thought I could get a wider opinion.

 

[garbage can]

The problem with the death penalty is the incredible disparity of justice. It's a little late to say we're sorry we were wrong, after you've executed someone.

Agreed, it's a little late to say you're sorry. But it's also a little late to say your sorry to the victims of a parolee who killed again. Death is permanent.

I totally agree there, but I think that at some point the endless appeals have to end.

Yes, of course. Actually, I'm in favor of outsourcing the prison detention system to Somalia, Ethiopia, Cambodia, or any other country ruled by a despot.......

Much like all our commerce has been outsourced to China

 

[teknight]

Apologies. That wasn't what I meant. What I meant was that I've found that the more liberal people tend to be more willing to defend, which is not the same as condoning the crime.

Defending is giving someone a fair trial. Regardless of their guilt or innocence.

And...lit's full of liberals? I wish.