Fresh, Hot Conspiracy Theory

[Rumple Foreskin]

From the Electoral-Vote.com web site.

One thing that is very strange is how much the exit polls differed from the final results, especially in Ohio. Remember that Ohio uses Diebold voting machines in many areas. These machines have no paper trail. Early in the campaign, Diebold CEO Walden O'Dell, a GOP fundraiser, promised to deliver Ohio to Bush. He later regretted having said that.

Enjoy.

Rumple Foreskin

 

[OhMissScarlett]

Oh for fuck sake! Is it too early to start drinking already?

 

[minsue]

Oh for fuck sake! Is it too early to start drinking already?

Nope, it's right on time

 

[OhMissScarlett]

Nope, it's right on time

I suppose it's always afternoon somewhere.

 

[TheEarl]

It's afternoon here. See you over in Abstrustions for a drink or five?

The Earl

 

[OhMissScarlett]

It's afternoon here. See you over in Abstrustions for a drink or five?

The Earl

You bet. I'll bring the hard liquor, you bring the tissues to dry my tears.

 

[sweetnpetite]

What states had Diabold machines? Did any of them go to Kerry?

 

[Boxlicker101]

From the Electoral-Vote.com web site.

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One thing that is very strange is how much the exit polls differed from the final results, especially in Ohio. Remember that Ohio uses Diebold voting machines in many areas. These machines have no paper trail. Early in the campaign, Diebold CEO Walden O'Dell, a GOP fundraiser, promised to deliver Ohio to Bush. He later regretted having said that.


Enjoy.

Rumple Foreskin

I always thought that a paper trail was required by law. If it isn't, it shuld be. There is too much potential for abuse, otherwise.

By the way, it was the lack of a paper trail that helped elect JFK in 1960. In that case, though, it was the destruction of the ballots in Chicago as soon as they had been counted. When an election is stolen in Chicago, it STAYS stolen.

 

[minsue]

Re: Re: Fresh, Hot Conspiracy Theory

I always thought that a paper trail was required by law. If it isn't, it shuld be. There is too much potential for abuse, otherwise.

Diebold, maker of ATM machines that print receipts by the billions, claims it is impossible to do so as the printers would jam and chaos would ensue. Apparently, no one thought to tell Nevada who's receipt printing machines work just fine.

 

[dreampilot79]

Re: Re: Fresh, Hot Conspiracy Theory

I always thought that a paper trail was required by law. If it isn't, it shuld be. There is too much potential for abuse, otherwise.

By the way, it was the lack of a paper trail that helped elect JFK in 1960. In that case, though, it was the destruction of the ballots in Chicago as soon as they had been counted. When an election is stolen in Chicago, it STAYS stolen.

Must have been a bad year for death. In Chicago you always have a right to vote Democratic, even if you're dead.


Make that ESPECIALLY if you're dead. I think that in Chicago 100% of the dead vote compaired to only 68% of the living registered voters.

 

[Virtual_Burlesque]

... you always have a right to vote Democratic, even if you're dead...in Chicago 100% of the dead vote compaired to only 68% of the living ...

In most places we only know that we are going to a better place when we die.

In Chicago we also know we are going to a better voting record.

 

[Rumple Foreskin]

In most places we only know that we are going to a better place when we die.

In Chicago we also know we are going to a better voting record.

Yep. My grandfather was such a devoted Democrat, he voted five times for Harry Truman back in 1948. Everyone felt that was a real accomplishment, especially for someone who died in 1947.

Rumple Foreskin

 

[BlackShanglan]

Re: Re: Re: Fresh, Hot Conspiracy Theory

Diebold, maker of ATM machines that print receipts by the billions, claims it is impossible to do so as the printers would jam and chaos would ensue. Apparently, no one thought to tell Nevada who's receipt printing machines work just fine.

This actually happened - can't remember whether that was Argentina, or possibly Serbia. I was reading up on accounts of voting methods in other countries. They had electronic recording that also created a receipt that was placed in a ballot box. There was, indeed, a serious problem with repeated printer breakdowns.

 

[Pure]

As to conspiracies,

There are signs of irregularity in the FL vote. It's far more Bush than any poll indicated.

I wonder if Brother Jeb and other helpful ones went a little overboard in insuring W's victory.

 

[cantdog]

Don't matter. They're all going to talk healing and unity now.

 

[Joe Wordsworth]

Another oddity:

When the final numbers came in, the White House sent a team of Doombots to make the ballots change with their alien mind powers from Kerry to Bush.

 

[Lucifer_Carroll]

Another oddity:

When the final numbers came in, the White House sent a team of Doombots to make the ballots change with their alien mind powers from Kerry to Bush.

Hmmm, doombots. Brilliant. Invincible armour plating and the ability to fly, hard for the feeble and elderly poll workers to fight against that.

 

[Colleen Thomas]

As to conspiracies,

There are signs of irregularity in the FL vote. It's far more Bush than any poll indicated.

I wonder if Brother Jeb and other helpful ones went a little overboard in insuring W's victory.

At least two of the media polling groups, admit thier early exit polls were flawed, or the data misinterpreted when it was released in incomplete form. They also say women prefer Kerry to Bush and that part of the statistical slide had to do with the fact more women vote early than men.

I'm not saying they couldn't have been tampered with, merely saying that comparing the actual vote totals to poll preditictions, even exit polls, is not a very good indicator that they were.

-Colly

 

[BlackShanglan]

At least two of the media polling groups, admit thier early exit polls were flawed, or the data misinterpreted when it was released in incomplete form. They also say women prefer Kerry to Bush and that part of the statistical slide had to do with the fact more women vote early than men.

I'm not saying they couldn't have been tampered with, merely saying that comparing the actual vote totals to poll preditictions, even exit polls, is not a very good indicator that they were.

-Colly

Those in doubt of the truth of this may recall the headline "Dewey Defeats Truman." Colly's right - never attribute to malice what may adequately be explained by stupidity. (Or in this case, poor statistical methodology.)

 

[cantdog]

Yep, I'm pretty sure they won, even if not fair and square, so forget it and move on to the next thing. Think about what the next thing ought to be.

 

[cantdog]

And as to conspiracies: do you imagine that no one lays plans? If I say they got together, sat down in rooms, and planned to win this, do you think me a conspiracy nut?

Of course they used rooms. Of course they laid plans. What on earth do you imagine they did, else?

You can call it conspiracy if you like, or you can call it planning. It comes to the same thing. They wanted something to happen which was to their common advantage, and they did their best through concerted effort to bring it about.

Call me crazy, but that's what it looks like to me. I don't believe that they deliberately didn't speak to one another and then just what they wanted happened magically, despite their lack of co-ordination or intent. It's too much for me to swallow.

No, for me, they planned, and then they followed the plan to the best of their ability. And it does seem as though it worked.

 

[Colleen Thomas]

Yep, I'm pretty sure they won, even if not fair and square, so forget it and move on to the next thing. Think about what the next thing ought to be.

The next thing had better be the Democratic party taking a long hard look at itself. They don't even have the comfort of saying they won the majority of the popular vote this time.

If it wasn't clear after the 2000 election it should be blatantly clear now, they have lost touch with middle america. It's getting to the point where a democrat has trouble winning a democratic primary in the old south. They can't beg, borrow or pander enough to sway voters in the West and midwest and have lost ground with hispanics who were supposed to be their new core in the old southeast.

They aren't left enough for true liberals, don't connect with or inspire young voters, who essentially provide your liberal voice in most countries, and have allowed the GOP to corner the market on Patriotism, Family values and faith.

They should have realized this after Gore couldn't even carry his own home state. You guys rag on GWB for "stay the course', but he has nothing on the ingrained inertia within the upper levels of the Democratic party.

Organisms adapt or die, to me the Democratic party is starting to look an awful lot like a stegosaurus, with apologies to Calvin.

-Colly

 

[cantdog]

Precisely.

There are still some oppositon congressmen and senators, but the party doesn't help them out much. Much of the country is unrepresented by either party.

So...?

How about a second party that means something?

 

[Xelebes]

Hmmm, doombots. Brilliant. Invincible armour plating and the ability to fly, hard for the feeble and elderly poll workers to fight against that.

*mounts Super Shotgun*

 

[Wholemanz]

Huggy bear?

*mounts Super Shotgun*

Not the Huggybear of Aussieland?

I hope?