Free Speech???

R. Richard

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Those of you who have been following the PC debate on my free speech contest entry will see the relevance of my post. Here is a guy who decided to irresponsibly push free speech. As a result, he is probably going to jail and the right of free speech take yet another hit.

OTOH, if I were the judge, I would find the man innocent by reason of INSUFFICIENT EVIDENCE! That would probably cure the guy of ever trying it again.

Joke-telling genitals don't get free-speech protection

Judges reject cable TV show host's free-speech defense

A penis that tells jokes on late night public access television may be expressive of something. But it is not the kind of free expression protected by the First Amendment, the Michigan Court of Appeals has decided, confirming the indecent exposure conviction of the show's producer and host.

Timothy Huffman, 47, who lives north of Grand Rapids, was convicted in Kent County after the penis episode aired twice in spring 2000 on the Grand Rapids public access cable channel GRTV.

In affirming the conviction in an opinion released Wednesday, the appeals court said any "incidental restriction" on the First Amendment is "no greater than is essential to the furtherance of the governmental interest in promoting public morality by prohibiting public nudity."

Huffman, whose defense was assisted by the American Civil Liberties Union, claimed the three-minute segment, "Dick Smart," was an expression of free speech and not obscene.

Reached at his home Wednesday, Huffman said he is the victim of "a relentless prosecutor."

"I'm truly trying to stand up for the constitution. It's a matter of principle," he said.

Huffman, an unemployed musician-cook who is the father of five children, said he'd been targeted for prosecution because he has a criminal record and lacked the resources to defend himself.

"We asked them in court, 'Why don't you prosecute 'Schindler's List'? It has nudity,' " Huffman said. "And they said to me, 'You're no Steven Spielberg.'

"I'm the low-life scapegoat that they can say, 'Look. This is what happens when you put this stuff on Grand Rapids TV.' "

Kent County Assistant Prosecutor Tim McMorrow said Huffman is not being singled out, nor was he charged for expressing himself.

"This is really not a First Amendment case," he said. "The First Amendment protects his right to an opinion, not the right to appear naked on TV."

Huffman was sentenced and served one day in jail, one year of probation and was ordered to pay $1,035 in fines and court costs.

He said he continues to produce the TV show "Tim's Area of Control" on GRTV and a two-hour program that airs in the wee hours of Saturday morning. Huffman said he mostly sticks to adult humor and music.

The offensive-talking penis did a form of Rodney Dangerfield-esque comedy. ("Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was in the Army, ya know. I didn't do much, ya know what I mean? I just hung around.")

Huffman said he and the station's then-supervisors believed the program was well within the bounds of free speech protection.

He said he also hoped it would bring in a wider audience: "You need to have something that gets people to stop changing channels," he said. "I thought it would be good exposure... pardon the pun."

Huffman said he would seek an appeal to the Michigan Supreme Court.

In the meantime, he said he also will be going to jail on another conviction, also for indecent exposure, that stemmed from a dispute with a neighbor. Huffman said he believed the latest charge was unjust. But, unlike the talking penis, it's not a free-speech case.
 
Why don't people who are offended by this stuff just do what I do when I see Jerry Springer or some foaming televangelist?

Change the fucking channel!
 
THere weren't enough details in the article. How did he make his penis talk? Was he hard or soft at the time? Did he paint a face on it? Give it a hat? Inquiring minds want to know.
 
Whoever heard of a talking penis? A dickhead maybe... :)

I wonder if they'll offer the show in pay-per-view or on home video in the future.
 
A carefully made-up thumb, and some nifty camera work, could look exactly like a penis. Would that also be obscene?
 
snooper said:
A carefully made-up thumb, and some nifty camera work, could look exactly like a penis. Would that also be obscene?

Obscenity is in the biased eye of the beholder. An egg cradled inside the crook of a woman's elbow can appear to represent what it is not...

Og
 
oggbashan said:
Obscenity is in the biased eye of the beholder. An egg cradled inside the crook of a woman's elbow can appear to represent what it is not...

Og

Um, Og? How exactly did you discover this? Hmmm?
 
LadyJeanne said:
Um, Og? How exactly did you discover this? Hmmm?

Through a TV advert. It showed a close-up with a voice over about 'Do you believe everything you see?' and the camera pulled back to show the hand and shoulder. It was one of a series of adverts. I've forgotten the product so it can't have been a good campaign.

Og
 
it seems to me, this isn't about freedom of speech. They don't seem to be censuring him or trying to censor his jokes. It's more about freedom of expression. Like it or not, there are long standing rules on what you may and may not express on public television. I don't think his case had a leg to stand on from the get go and freedom of speech seems to have been used as a poor coverall to get the case heard on grounds other than obscenity.
 
oggbashan said:
Obscenity is in the biased eye of the beholder. An egg cradled inside the crook of a woman's elbow can appear to represent what it is not...

Og

For all that is in the power of Beelzebub and your millenia of experience, Og, what does an egg cradled in the flesh of a woman's elbow resemble?

I wait with bated breath. :p
 
elfin_odalisque said:
For all that is in the power of Beelzebub and your millenia of experience, Og, what does an egg cradled in the flesh of a woman's elbow resemble?

I wait with bated breath. :p

That depends on the imagination of the beholder. For some it might be a bald-headed man snuggled between a pair of breasts (or buttocks) or a bald part of a man...

Og
 
oggbashan said:
That depends on the imagination of the beholder. For some it might be a bald-headed man snuggled between a pair of breasts (or buttocks) or a bald part of a man...

Og

Superb!

While you're inspired, dash off a little vignette.

I promise to 10-bomb you!
 
The interesting thing, and relevant to this thread, is that it was possible to show the advert on prime time TV.

What is possible before the so-called watershed in the UK would not be possible in parts of the US. As for what is possible on satellite and pay-for-view?

Janet Jackson's breast could have been shown during a children's programme.

Og
 
oggbashan said:
How would they be received in Kansas?

From the sounds of things, the hospitals would suddenly be overwhelmed with victims of apoplexy and catatonia.
 
oggbashan said:
The interesting thing, and relevant to this thread, is that it was possible to show the advert on prime time TV.

What is possible before the so-called watershed in the UK would not be possible in parts of the US. As for what is possible on satellite and pay-for-view?

Janet Jackson's breast could have been shown during a children's programme.

Og


Og

In the USA the rules are slightly different between cable and commercial television stations.

Commercial stations which broadcast over the airwaves are licensed to broadcast "in the public interest" by the Federal Communications Commission. Since they are licensed by big brother, they are also policed by said authority. They may be censured, fined and even put out of business by the FCC with little recourse. Technically they can appeal FCC action to the US court of appeals and then to the US supreme court. Since those courts take years to process an appeal, and are unlikely to issue a stay of an FCC revocation order, should you face revocation, you are basically screwed. Even if you won on appeal, the business would have been gone for several years and getting it back would be difficult if not impossible.

Cable stations are not licensed and only subject to criminal prosecution. They are not required to broadcast "in the public interest" and therefore have much broader guidelines but at the same time, can be prosecuted at the local whim of local authorities.

Since the trigger is much lower for broadcast stations, they are much less likely to be faced with criminal prosecution, but most likely if one ever was charged, the FCC would zap them much quicker and more completely.
 
rgraham666 said:
Why don't people who are offended by this stuff just do what I do when I see Jerry Springer or some foaming televangelist?

Change the fucking channel!

C'mon, rob. Freedom of Speech is a big deal here, and it isn't necessary for me to say it matters as much to me as to anybody. But by the sounds of it, it seems like it's more the "Girls Gone Wild Comedy Tour" than anything else. If you're going to use the Free Speech appeal, then c'mon, fucking say something! Just hanging around? Shit. It's a joke and it's not even funny, IMO.

And isn't public access one of those deals where it's basically available to everyone. Not like HBo where it's subscription, but more or less accepted as a network type station in its limitations? I don't know for certain, as I've never watched it, so I might be wrong. But if I'm not... Hell, kids could have seen it.

The whole deal's bullshit.

Q_C

p.s. Sorry about the extremism. I jsut posted on the self-defense thread. Carry-over. :(
 
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