Freaked out (Murder would you do it?)

Nicole

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Right then tell me this ... would you kill because your partner put a Hunting knife in your hand and told you to do it?

I went to an all girls school here in Adelaide, and was friends with most everyone, in fact come to think of it people were terrified of me (not that I'd hurt a fly), but there was this one girl, very slightly built, very quiet and unassuming, stayed basically to herself, but she was a nice girl and easy to get along with. I would never imagine that she could have gotten herself into the position that she has.

This is from our local Paper ... ( I won't type the whole story)

Minutes after plunging a 20cm hunting knife through her lovers chest, a frantic and hysterical Jodie Belinda Bean told police officers she was sorry, the Supreme Court heard yesterday.

As Bean was being driven from the Parafield Gardens House where she allegedly murdered Stephen Paul Platts, she told Police she wished she could turn back the clock, the court was told.

Opening the Murder trial yesterday, prosecutor Stephen Millsteed, QC, said Bean told police during the taped conversation she was "in big Trouble".

"What I did, it's terrible. Everyone's going to hate me," Bean allegedly said. "I don't want him (Mr. Platts) to die. I didn't mean to do it. He's such a nice person, he really helped me."

Mr. Millsteed said the slightly built Bean, 29, who weighs about 50kg, plunged the knife into Mr. Platts, fatally piercing his heart and liver, after he told her on February 10 last year that would leave her. He died in minutes from blood loss.

Bean has pleaded not guilty to murdering Mr. Platts also 29, claiming he assaulted her just before he died and she was acting in self defence.

But Mr. Millsteed said "This is not a case of self defence. It is one where the accused has stabbed her lover in a rage after they argued after he disclosed his intention to leave her."

Bean, and Mr Platts started having an affair in June 1999, By February the relationship had deteriorated. On the day of his death, Mr. Platts told several people he planned to split with Bean, Mr. Millsteed told the court. But Clare Oconnor for Bean, said Mr. Platts had become "extremly controlling and manipulative and cruel" towards Bean during their time together. He "humiliated and shamed" Bean by forcing her to take part in sexual acts which he videotaped, Ms O'Connor said.

She said Bean had a lower IQ than the average person, had limited Social Skills and was very dependent. "She wasn't able to cope with this mans behaviour towards her," she said.

Ms O'Connor said the couple argued shortly before Mr Platts died, but not about splitting up. She said Mr Platts was forcing Bean to reveal details about her sexual history with other men.

He grabbed her around the throat, hit her in the stomach and threatened to cut a finger off with the hunting knife.

He then handed her the weapon and told her to plunge it into his chest. "She does everything he tells her to, she doesn't fight back once" Ms O'Connor said

"He hands her the knife and tells her to stab him. He stretches out her arm and she's terrified. She knows she has to do exactly what he says or he'll kill her"

The trial is continuing.


Now my point in all of this, is that I can actually see her doing EVERYTHING he tells her BUT then so would I for Havoc, but if he was to place a hunting knife in my hand and say "Stab me", No matter how mad he had me, I couldn't do that.

Could you? How would YOU deal with her situation of being in a Humiliating relationship? Would you stay or try to get out?

I would like truthful answers because Love makes us do some strange things don't forget, and it is shown World Wide that people stay in abusive relationships.

It just freaked me because I knew this girl, and she was one of the most quiet, friendly, caring girls in the whole school. Just freaked me to know that I actually know her.
 
Sad, how very sad. I know how I would vote on the jury trial..... of course, NOT guilty...

however, she has admitted to the crime, but the man deserved to die..... to me any criminal that uses a weapon be it a knife or gun had better be prepared to have it used on them ... and die by it ....

I hope you keep us updated on this..

I truly hope she gets off........


NEXT up....

(proably todd)
 
It is sad, for the simple fact that I could see her getting herself into a relationship like that, abusive and Humiliating, and she WOULD do as she is told, I know that cause I wasn't exactly the nicest person in school and she always jummped if we said too.

I'll keep you informed no worries.

Mind you it took me ages to type that last lot out (LOL).
 
Now if he had handed her a gun she could have shot him in both legs and ran.

What we need are stronger Knife control laws.
 
Maybe even a 3 day waiting period? Or maybe knife safty locks? That might help.....

She'll fry..... and O.J. will walk....just wait...
 
Being in an abusive relationship is no excuse to murder....

:p
 
I wouldn't need to be "handed" a knife to stab anyone who abused me. Hey, at least if I kill that person, I won't have to worry about anyone in my family going to jail for it.

It's just a shame she didn't do it sooner if she was abused.

Anyone ever see the HBO special a few years back on all the women in jail for life for killing their abusive spouses? It was unfuckingbelievable. Women who had their bones broken countless times, etc. by their spouse/boyfriend finally fight back in self defense...and the juries called it murder. Some of the stories were completely heartwrenching....
 
Believe me I am not without sympathy

:p
 
Well of course it's murder. But I'd still do it.

C'est la vie. (well, not vie for long).

...yet another reason why it's a really good idea to NEVER BE IN an ABUSIVE relationship in the first place.
 
Now speaking from the voice of experience, I think given the opportunity, I would have killed the individual who believed it was okay for him to hold a shot gun to my head and tell me to kiss him good bye. I am not a violent person by nature but had I not been able to get away, I would have chopped him into little pieces and used him as bait in the lake in his backyard and he wouldn't have even had to ask twice. You would be surprised at what even intelligent woman put up with from men who are supposed to love them.
 
Well...

Just playing Devil's Advocate here, but the news story said that the accused's story is that he manipulated her, hit her, threatened to cut her finger off, gave her the knife, and dared her to stab him. The story doesn't say whether there was any actual evidence of this (was she injured from the blows, was there past history of abuse, etc). Nor does it say that the videotapes he made of them having sex actually exist. It's entirely possible that this guy was a dirtbag, but the only evidence of this from the article is what SHE said. She's the one who killed him, so he can't present his side of the story.

This may sound facile, but stabbing someone is a very "personal" way of killing someone. I mean, if you shoot someone, you can do it at a bit of a distance, and it isn't your muscle power doing the work. Squeeze the trigger, bang, the victim falls down. Stabbing someone you have to get CLOSE, close enough to kill, and you have to actually take the knife and plunge it into someone's body. It's entirely possilble that she killed him in a blind rage, or in abject terror. If this girl was in a fury because he dumped her, or was despondant, or was terrified, and he HANDED her a knife and said, "Go ahead, stab me", he's a Grade-A moron. Which, again, makes her story sound a little bit odd. That's the problem with making a decision without the facts-- it's often little better than a guess.
 
SAD SAD STORY

I know exactly what you mean. Not long after graduating high school, there was a beautiful young lady named Michelle Yarls who had graduated with me. I remembered that she was a very friendly and sweet person.
Anyway, several months after graduating high school, Michelle was murdered by her jealous boyfriend. Apparently, there was an argument in her house and her sister and niece were there with her. When he threatened her with a gun, everyone ran for cover. Michelle grabbed her niece and hid in a closet. The punk ass boyfriend shot through the closet door, striking Michelle in the head, and fatally wounding her.
I thought that it was cowardly how he killed her since he could have done harm to a child who was totally innocent of the matter.
 
Also, it says that Bean was not of average intelligence. Studying psychology, someone with a lower IQ is very dependent (something the article already said). They WILL do what they're told. But, this does depend on her IQ score.

I think the jury should take that into account. I mean, if her IQ is say 89, then she definately should be held accountable for her actions. But, then again, if it's 50 (technically mental retardation) then no. She had no control.

Of course, her lawyers (if her IQ was around 80 or so) would argue for Not-Guilty by reason of Insanity. *shrugs*

I never claimed to be a law major. *chuckles* I do psychology, thank you.

Slainte charras!
 
Re: Believe me I am not without sympathy

Siren said:
But you can not KILL someone because they abuse you or break your bones.
That is revenge and it is premediated murder under the law.

Only time it is self defense is when you are defending your life from IMMEDIATE danger of death or severe injury...the self defense must match the level of the threat.

You can not shoot or stab someone who is coming at you with only their hand...not same level of force...
Now if they are choking you that is different...you are in immediate danger of death...but you better have choke marks to back that up.

No matter how awful the person treats another, there are options other than murder....if you kill for any other reason than to protect yourself or another it is MURDER>

Now is it justified murder? That is another thing all together. NO one can kill another for something they already did or are perceived to do sometime in the future.
(* unless it is state sanctioned execution of course )

Sorry, but that is the law...no one can be judge, jury and executioner NO MATTER WHAT.

Abuse is not an excuse to murder.
Abuse is a horrible thing, I know it first hand...but you can not kill someone for being abusive...leave, get help-go to a shelter...but you can not kill them to be free of them.

Now...what about those abusers that wont let the woman go? Well now, that is different, if they stalk and come after the woman, she can defend herself and kill him when in danger herself or her kids...

Apples and oranges.


[Edited by Siren on 02-09-2001 at 07:10 PM]

I agree with Siren totally. Besides, how many times have women killed their boyfriends/husbands claiming self defense in an abusive relationship. If she's never reported such abuse in the past, she's as good as fried.
 
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